Maybe the fact that I'm ogrish with monkey arms makes a difference, but 
I've not ever had an issue bikepacking with my panniers and LCG. I have had 
challenges with a moron with vertigo and a fully loaded bike trying to 
balance on steep skree trails traversing at insane grades up insane slopes. 
But my panniers were never in the way.

Other arguments I've heard for frame bags: 1) center of gravity and 
maneuverability on technical trails. Having bikepacked trails I've also 
ridden without a load, this is bunk -- different handling and speeds 
required, but still a non-issue; 2) ease of getting through tight brush and 
bracken. Nah. If I can fit, either on the bike or off, my panniers can fit.

To me it's just a lot of reason to have gear that is frustrating to use 
because it carries so little and is difficult to access. Panniers and 
saddle bags and read racks for me. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 3:52:34 PM UTC-6, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> I came across this article today, and while it is not totally scientific, 
> it is interesting. 
>
>
> http://www.cyclingabout.com/speed-difference-between-panniers-bikepacking-bags-aerodynamic-testing-results/
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Will Ashe
>
>

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