I'm somewhat confused about the statement that "big companies use
plastic hardware that their in-house industrial designers design".  Is
Gilles Berthoud a "big company", I didn't think so.  They do, however,
use many "Klick-Fix" attachment products that work quite well.  These
are made in Germany by Rixen & Kaul and are available in a large
variety to suit various needs.  Here's a link to an example of the
mounting for Gilles Berthoud' GB1500 panniers:

http://euroasiaimports.net/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=551&idproduct=5693

Gilles Berthoud uses the same type of mounting system on their GB799
panniers.  I own a set of the GB799 panniers they mount quite nicely
on a Nitto Campee style rear rack.  Here's a link to a photo from the
Wallingford Bicycle Parts site that shows the bag-making operations at
Gilles Berthoud in 2002 (apparently, they only had one person making
their bags at that time):

http://www.wallbike.com/berthoud/workstour/gbvisit10.html


Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Dec 9, 1:41 pm, Nicholas Grieco <nicholasgri...@att.net> wrote:
> Rivendell News, August 20th 2009http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148
>
> >  We WILL have panniers and a messenger bag (<------maybe on
> >  that) in the Spring. There are still some mounting details
> >  to work out for the panniers. The big companies use plastic
> >  hardware that their in-house industrial designers design,
> >  then they order millions of them to get the per-piece cost
> >  down, and that's not in the cards for us. If we can work
> >  out a dumbed-down version that works 95 percent as well,
> >  we'll go that way. We're about 75 percent of the way there
> >  now, but it's not on the front-burner right now.
>
> On Dec 9, 11:35 am, jandrews_nyc <jasonaschwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think I read somewhere that Riv is going to release a pannier set...
> > Does anyone know if this is true? I'm in the market for a set...maybe
> > two and don't want to purchase until I see what Riv comes up with...
> > Will they be part of the Sackville lineup?
> > WIll they be more for commuting or touring specific?
> > Anyone have any ideas?
> > Also..still on the prowl for an appropriate Sam Hillborne Green paint
> > touch up source...
> > Thanks!

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