I've often thought that Grant and other designer/builders often create
bikes based on their own favored or available riding areas and
climates. My own riding is nearly 99% on pavement and rarely do I
venture off road. Even so, I enjoy my wide tires and long wheelbases
with room for fenders and ra
Agreed, this is a great tour report and one of the best tours I've seen!
DE
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Incredible! And on a Rivendell no less! Inspiring.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Mojo wrote:
> >
> > On a more positive note than my previous message, he
I wonder about that though - i remember that the butt-back, more
stretched-out position (as Patrick noted) was something that
Bridgestone promoted. I'll have to dig up one of my catalogs and look
up the seat tube angle on those RBs.
Bill
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cycl
Hey there good people, solidifying around the date of Saturday, February
21st... hope that is workable for you!
Here is a proposed route: http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Feb-Riv-Ride
Conversation is taking place here:
http://flickr.com/groups/1007...@n22/discuss/72157612151015567/
You're
Hmm..3 days.you're putting in some serious miles. SF to Monterey; Monterey
to Morro Bay; Morro Bay to SB?
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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Norris
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:07 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googl
On Jan 18, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
> I suspect that geometry is more important than tube diameter when
> we're talking about bikes that climb well vs bikes that don't.
That's certainly possible. I find that if the chainstays are too
short, for example, the bike
Fellow Riv-ers:
While some on this list are digging out from a snowbank, we here in
California are enjoying fantastic weather. The weather this weekend
is particularly warm, and coincided nicely with "The Ride," a three-
day ride down the California coast from San Francisco to Santa Barbara.
On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 19:10 -0800, Andrew Karre wrote:
> Show me a bike with geometry optimized for
> wind, and we'll talk.
OK, how about this baby:
http://www.windcheetah.co.uk/MEDIA/hypersport1.jpg
http://www.windcheetah.co.uk/hypersport.htm#MEDIA/hypersport2.jpg
If that isn't optimized for th
I'd say short chainstays, a steep seat tube, and probably low bars.
On Jan 18, 8:44 pm, "Doug Peterson" wrote:
> What really makes for good climbing is to weigh about 140 lbs. However
> we're stuck with what we've got, so plan B is the bike.
>
> My $0.02 is: short stays & light rotating mass.
I think the next big contribution BQ could make to the cycling
discourse is to delve into the "local" aspects of frame and bicycle
design. I don't have any experience or evidence to back this up, but
might it be the case that the terrain for which Singer, Herse, et. al.
were designing their bikes
What really makes for good climbing is to weigh about 140 lbs. However
we're stuck with what we've got, so plan B is the bike.
My $0.02 is: short stays & light rotating mass.
dougP
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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behal
That came out really well. Looks like everything belongs together - the 50s
w/fenders look good. Congrats on a nice build.
dougP
-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sprunger
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2
Patrick,
I've tried only the Big Apple 50s but I'm confident that the frame
would fit a 60mm tire if the fenders were removed.
According to Rivendell's site, the 48, 52, and 56 cm models take 650b;
60 and 64 are 700c. I usually ride 64-65 frames, but the 60 fits just
fine.
David
On Sun, Jan 1
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I suspect that geometry is more important than tube diameter when
> we're talking about bikes that climb well vs bikes that don't.
Now *this* is an interesting topic!
What do y'all think makes for go
Will it take 60s?
At what size do the Bombadils go to 650B?
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:39 PM, David Sprunger wrote:
>
> Hello again. I wanted to test Grant P's claim that the Bombadil would
> have even better clearance than the Atlantis, so I built mine up with
> Big Apple tires (the narrower 5
Thanks Patrick, this is a point I should clarify. By "bad idea" I
meant (and should have written) "not what I would like to see
happen". Which is neither bad, nor good, just my opinion.
Rivendell = Great, hope they keep it up
RBW list = Great, great exchange of ideas
Jason
On Jan 18, 3:39 p
Hello again. I wanted to test Grant P's claim that the Bombadil would
have even better clearance than the Atlantis, so I built mine up with
Big Apple tires (the narrower 50mm model) and Berthoud 700x60 fenders.
You can see some pictures here:
http://www.cord.edu/faculty/sprunger/bikes/bombadil/
With fenders I did - 50cm - but not without.
On Jan 18, 2:51 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 10:15 -0800, Phil Bickford wrote:
> > A little late in the thread I know...
>
> > One of the considerations I found pertinent to my fenders/no fenders
> > offroad experience was Toe Pe
I suspect that geometry is more important than tube diameter when
we're talking about bikes that climb well vs bikes that don't.
On Jan 18, 5:59 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Jan 18, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 08:04 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wr
Hi folks,
As many of you know, I'm in the process of building up my Saluki and
it's killing me...bicycle part manufacturers seem to have something
against providing clear instructions.
I'm going to get this done, but there's no way I'm going to test my
work by going for a ride. And since I'm the
On Jan 18, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 08:04 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>> Curious, since, among the more mass marketed race-style bikes,
>> stiffness (especially in the BB area) is one of the primary selling
>> points.
>
> Right. I've seen c
I've had the pleasure of an RB-1 (or two), a Riv Road Standard, a
Rambouillet, and, now, a Bleriot.
I have enjoyed each more than the previous; I think that has something
to do with the progressions in geometry, but mostly with wider tires
(and their help with -- chipseal, offroad excursions, etc
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM, JL wrote:
>
> I may be alone in this but I
> think a low priced road intended production model from Rivendell would
> be a bad idea, albeit one that would sell.
You don't give a reason, though you say things that allow one to guess or
surmise about a reason. But
Incredible! And on a Rivendell no less! Inspiring.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Mojo wrote:
>
> On a more positive note than my previous message, here is a report of
> what sounds like a wonderful 24 day cycling trip across the tibeten
> plateau, from Lhasa Tibet to Kathmandu Nepal via the
If I understand correctly, Grant is a supporter of specialized markets
within the bicycle industry. He has stated this in interviews;
something to the effect of "pick one thing and be the very best at
it". His economic strategy has perhaps led to a current consolidation
of models, which, colored
On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 12:10 -0500, Lisa -S.H. wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't think it's accurate or fair to categorize those who ride 25c
> tires and like to (or would like to) ride fast(er) as either a "roadie"
> or a "weight weenie". Heck, I found my original 38c tires were
> overkill for me, an
On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 10:15 -0800, Phil Bickford wrote:
> A little late in the thread I know...
>
> One of the considerations I found pertinent to my fenders/no fenders
> offroad experience was Toe Pedal Overlap. Although I ran my Saluki on
> the dirt, with fenders it took too much concentration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipseal
On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 10:16 -0800, David Faller wrote:
> That's chipseal, alright. Sometimes the gravel is sharp and makes for
> a rough, noisy ride.
> - Original Message -
> From: R Gonet
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
>
On Jan 18, 1:15 pm, Aaron Thomas wrote:
>
> The RB-2 simply scampers up hills like a spry jack rabbit. Or gazelle.
> Or whatever. It's simply different. More explosive. There's something
> about the power transfer that seems more direct, more efficient, than
> the Romulus, which, don't get me wro
Hi,
I'm looking for a 58cm atlantis in reasonably good condition, either
complete or just the frame and fork. If you happen to have one you're
interested in parting ways with email me offlist.
Thanks,
-sv
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You received this message because yo
I lock up my Atlantis often in SF, as well as my Quickbeam and Canti-Rom. You
need to pick your spot, certainly, and cable lace the wheels. That said, have
you looked at the pit-lock system sold by Peter White? I think that's a better
locking system. Pricey, but tougher to bust.
RS
--- O
I cannot be sure that ChaserTech is to fault in this, though the 0 lb
0 oz weight thing makes me lean towards them. My beef with them is how
they have treated me with this difficulty. I have never had this
problem with any other purchase online, including mano-a-mano on the
IBOB list. I just want
Lisa,
+1. For those of us who is looking for a RB1 or RB2, another frame to
look out for is Fuso build by Dave Moulton. It is design as a road
racing machine, you can use fat 28c on it. I use different bikes for
different ride, when I ride with racing club folks, I use my Campy
Ergo bike, and
If the Cinelli stem is 26.0, I'll take it.
On Jan 18, 12:18 pm, rb wrote:
> Hi - here are some parts that might be of interest, I'm trimming down
> the parts bins...
>
> Ritchey 26 x 1” slicks 25.00 for the pair
> Maxxis 26 x 1.9” knobbies 45.00 for the pair
> Gommital
A general response to some of the issues raised in this thread:
I have indeed test-ridden the Soma Speedster at my LBS. While it is a
nice bike, it does not have the same feel as my RB-2. In fairness,
since my test ride was brief, in and around the store itself, I did
not have a chance to try it
Ye speak the truth although I have ridden my light tubed race bike
with snappy steering and it is nice on smooth roads. I fear however
that if I rode this enough I would soon fatigue its light gauge
tubing, although it seems quite stiff with its old school Columbus
standard diameter tubing. It mig
In my experience, it always makes for a rough, noisy ride. Most of my
riding is on this and when I hit smooth asphalt it feels like glass.
On Jan 18, 1:16 pm, "David Faller" wrote:
> That's chipseal, alright. Sometimes the gravel is sharp and makes for a
> rough, noisy ride.
>
>
--~--~---
" Ritchey 26 x 1" slicks 25.00 for the pair"
Are these the Tom Slicks as pictured here?
Are they unused, slightly worn, hugely worn?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.performancebike.com/product_images/500/00-5875-026-TREAD.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.performancebike.com/sh
Very nice lacing job! I've done this with a couple of saddles and it did
make them more comfortable, but they looked like shit.
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Chris Halasz wrote:
>
> If you haven't tried one, or if you have, and like many, found the
> saddle splayed a bit in the center, I had
Hi - here are some parts that might be of interest, I'm trimming down
the parts bins...
Ritchey 26 x 1” slicks 25.00 for the pair
Maxxis 26 x 1.9” knobbies 45.00 for the pair
Gommitalia Champion tubular 15.00 for 1
Mafac Racer brakes nice shape, no
Not sure when it was added, but I just noticed the Zefal "Lock'n'Roll"
anti-theft QR skewers for sale on Riv's website:
http://www.rivbike.com/#product=18-304
Sounds like an awesome idea! I'd be curious to hear if anyone's tried
them. I loath to lock up my Atlantis in SF, and this might help me
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:35 AM, charlie wrote:
>
> This is a general reply rather than specific to anyone soI
> just don't get the 'go fast' concept here. I really can't see where a
> couple of pounds makes much, if any difference. I mean, any bike can
> take a narrower tire and you can
Bah, humbug! I say, maintain, asserverate, assert, shout and yell out loud
that, conceptually at least, if not financially or "marketing-wise" there is
a gap in the Riv lineup, said gap being fillable with an update and
inevitable improvement (for Grant's designs seem always to improve) of the
RB-1
Ah yes. Larger sizes. See, one thing is that my 62 cm RB-2 is a bit too small
for me, but I find ways to tolerate that. What would be fun is a 65 cm RivB-1.
That would be awesome!
-Jim
-Original Message-
>From: Jeremy Till
>Sent: Jan 18, 2009 11:26 AM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch
>Subject:
I think that it's not so much a matter of frame weight, stiffness, or
tire size/brake reach so much as having a bike optimized for road
riding. The RB-1 demonstrates (and I'm going on hearsay here, because
I've never ridden one myself) that Grant can design a bike optimized
for road riding that s
Reverse adaptive radiation?
- Chris
On Jan 18, 12:04 pm, MichaelH wrote:
> I have two An- Atomica saddles and love them. They were very early
> models and have held up quite well. I remember them as being labled
> "Robusto", which was a little narrower than the Titanico. When I look
> at the
My experience with the Ram and AHH is that they provide the same amazingly
wonderful riding experience. I can't tell a difference on roads. And for me,
it's a different experience than the RB-2 which I wouldn't take on a super-long
ride, but I definitely climb a 2-mile hill in significantly les
I have two An- Atomica saddles and love them. They were very early
models and have held up quite well. I remember them as being labled
"Robusto", which was a little narrower than the Titanico. When I look
at the web site now, I see only one model, and no info about
dimensions at all. The only
Those of us, like myself, who can afford more than one bike, often
prefer to have bikes optimized around specific kinds of riding. In
that case a "go fast" road bike - one designed for centuries or
shorter rides without carrying a lot of gear, and with nimble road
manners makes a lot of sense.
No actually. The Rambouillet has a longer rear-center, for one thing.
-Original Message-
>From: Chris
>Sent: Jan 17, 2009 2:55 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch
>Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates
>
>
>Wasn't that called the Rambouillet?
>
>On Jan 17, 1:23 pm, James War
That's chipseal, alright. Sometimes the gravel is sharp and makes for a rough,
noisy ride.
- Original Message -
From: R Gonet
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:00 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates
I read a lot of posts r
A little late in the thread I know...
One of the considerations I found pertinent to my fenders/no fenders
offroad experience was Toe Pedal Overlap. Although I ran my Saluki on
the dirt, with fenders it took too much concentration to be fun on
semi-technical to difficult singletrack to keep the f
I read a lot of posts referring to "chipseal" and I wonder what that
is? I may very well be riding on it but have never used that term.
Around here in Virginia, we have roads that are either concrete or
smooth rolled asphalt. The next step below that is gravel with hot,
liquid tar sprayed over i
Richard,
On drilling the holes:
Be sure the rawhide is snug to the hole, mitigating the tendency for
the saddle leather to stretch and tear. The rawhide is about
0.1" (2.75mm) thick by .22" (6mm) wide. The rawhide is real, real snug
through the holes. It was not easy to pull the rawhide through.
I see over on iBob that Chaser Tech has basically shrugged and said
it's not their problem.
I bought some Berthoud fenders from well known seller of Brooks
saddles last year, and they arrived in a box that looked like it had
been run over. The fenders were in there, undamaged, but the stays and
h
Charlie makes a good point. Doesn't the AHH do fine as a "go fast"
bike - maybe with 28mm Paselas like I ride on my Rom (I don't own a
Ram - my error), or even as Jim's "C.X. Hilsen" project? I love my
Romulus, and it moves quick - but can't the AHH ride fast similar
*enough* with the added bonu
I don't think it's accurate or fair to categorize those who ride 25c
tires and like to (or would like to) ride fast(er) as either a "roadie"
or a "weight weenie". Heck, I found my original 38c tires were
overkill for me, and I like to ride both slow AND fast. (though
admittedly my 'fast'
Chris:
Thanks for the nice fix. I have two questions. First, what do you
mean when, in drilling the holes, you say you finished with a 1/4"
bit, "being careful not to ream the hole..." What do you mean by not
reaming the hole?
Second, in the last paragraph you say that you "...didn't want the
Not to belabor my woes here, but here is a snippet from ChaserTech.com
's first response: "...If the item got
lost during transit we are not responsible for this problem since
postal worker may tamper with the package or package." From their
second email: "...But still, we can't help you further
This is a general reply rather than specific to anyone soI
just don't get the 'go fast' concept here. I really can't see where a
couple of pounds makes much, if any difference. I mean, any bike can
take a narrower tire and you can dispense with the racks and bags so
where is the mysterious
I would contact the seller. They may just goofed somehow and will send
you your brakes.
On Jan 18, 8:44 am, Mojo wrote:
> Bargain shopping, I ordered some brakes from a shop on ebay,
> ChaserTech.com. They have thousands of excellent feedback messages.
> But something happened somewhere on this
On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 08:04 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
> Curious, since, among the more mass marketed race-style bikes,
> stiffness (especially in the BB area) is one of the primary selling
> points.
Right. I've seen comments like "it's impossible to have too much
stiffness" and
Look at the SOMA Speedster. For $800 it's a lugged steel sport frame
and fork built for 57 mm reach brakes, with chromed head lugs and fork
crown, room for 32's, and two sets of rear eyelets. Yes, the steerer
is 1-1/8" threadless, but that's not a deal breaker for most riders
these days. It's e
Curious, since, among the more mass marketed race-style bikes,
stiffness (especially in the BB area) is one of the primary selling
points.
On Jan 18, 9:42 am, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 09:30 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 2009, at 7:26 AM, EricP wrote:
>
> > > If
Bill,
Thanks!
Your experience sounds the same as mine and others with the SA
saddles. I was doing the same thing you describe, scooting up on the
saddle to mitigate the girth, which is contrary to the design benefit
of the saddle.
I haven't experienced the modified Brooks, but am considering it
On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 09:30 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Jan 18, 2009, at 7:26 AM, EricP wrote:
>
> > If Bicycle Quarterly is any indication the trend in go fast seems to
> > be more for bikes with non-oversized tubing.
>
> Well, it's perhaps a trend among bike builders wishing to market
>
On Jan 18, 2009, at 7:26 AM, EricP wrote:
> If Bicycle Quarterly is any indication the trend in go fast seems to
> be more for bikes with non-oversized tubing.
Well, it's perhaps a trend among bike builders wishing to market
bikes to Jan's readers. There is a tendency to take anything
publi
On a more positive note than my previous message, here is a report of
what sounds like a wonderful 24 day cycling trip across the tibeten
plateau, from Lhasa Tibet to Kathmandu Nepal via the Qomolugma Nature
Preserve and Everest Base camp. The rider is from SoCal, and he did it
on an Atlantis. He
I see that Bianchi has a slender tube go fast lugged steel offering in the 2009
line up. (The Dolomites)
Equipped with Campy Veloce, it's in the same price range as a production RBW.
No $300 option to change the paint to "any color that we approve of" though.
Eric's point about the plethora of
Bargain shopping, I ordered some brakes from a shop on ebay,
ChaserTech.com. They have thousands of excellent feedback messages.
But something happened somewhere on this purchase and I never received
my brakes, just an empty box from ChaserTech. The box was sent USPS
who tracked 0 lbs 0 oz through
To add on to this. Can think of a couple other reasons not to a "go
fast" steel bike with Riv touches right now -
If Bicycle Quarterly is any indication the trend in go fast seems to
be more for bikes with non-oversized tubing. That would probably
require another full lug set just for one bike.
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