On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:35 AM, charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> This is a general reply rather than specific to anyone so........I
> just don't get the 'go fast' concept here. I really can't see where a
> couple of pounds makes much, if any difference. I mean, any bike can
> take a narrower tire and you can dispense with the racks and bags so
> where is the mysterious speed gain of having a short reach braked bike
> that weighs a couple of pounds less. I have a vintage, lugged steel,
> 21 pound all Campy race bike with 25mm tires (soon to be tubulars) and
> it really isn't a whole lot easier to ride than my 30 pound, racked
> tour bike, if I run 32mm tires on it.


That is all because you haven't ridden a Grant designed gofast bike.

At my weight, over the rough
> chipseal I often ride on the wider tires actually seem to be faster
> and on asphalt the race bike accelerates faster  but that's about it.
> If i want to go fast on flats and rollers I ride my recumbent until I
> get to steep hills then.............I lay back and grind up. Its all
> very subtle when it comes to the differences  between one style of
> steel bike and another and when you consider the trade offs in utility
> and durability you often find yourself ultimately going back to what
> works and makes sense.


But not everyone wants what you want. I want an update of the RB-1
(conceptually, if not financially). It's not the weight at all, it's the fit
(butt back, bars low) and handling (quick, seamless, "intuitive" turns with
no jerkiness or twitchiness). Now if you can include in such a frame off
road capacity and load bearing capacity, all the better, but I expect that
you can't optimize a frame for fast, nimble road riding and still have it
perform decently off road and under heavy loads.

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