On 3/21/14 12:42 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
http://docs.python.org/3/library/subprocess.html#popen-constructor>
It's got the optional close_fds parameter, which is True by default.
IOW, you don't need to do anything if you use subprocess.Popen() to
start your child process. Incidentally,
On 3/20/14 7:16 PM, laguna...@mail.com wrote:
$ tar -zxvf ssdeep-2.10.tar.gz
$ cd ssdeep-2.10&& ./configure&& make&& sudo make install
I need install it on PortablePython for Windows, so it's not
clear how to make this: where should be placed ssdeep Windows
binary files, that Pyt
On 3/21/14 9:51 PM, Mark H Harris wrote:
On 3/20/14 7:16 PM, laguna...@mail.com wrote:
$ tar -zxvf ssdeep-2.10.tar.gz
$ cd ssdeep-2.10&& ./configure&& make&& sudo make install
I need install it on PortablePython for Windows, so it's not
clear how to make this:
On 3/21/14 5:44 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
I'm pleased to see that you have answers. In return would you either use
the mailing list https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list or
read and action this https://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython to
prevent us seeing double line spacing
On 3/21/14 11:15 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
It compounds. One reply makes for double spacing... two makes
quadruple, three means we have seven wasted lines between every pair
of real lines. That gets pretty annoying. And considering that most
people who reply without cleaning up the lines also kee
On 3/21/14 11:30 PM, Mark H Harris wrote:
All OS's should comply with the standard... for instance, there should
not be a windows x'0a' x'0d' line ending, and a unix x'0d' line ending.
whoops... I meant unix x'0a' line ending...;-)
On 3/21/14 11:39 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Given
fl = [lambda y : x+y for x in [1,2,3]]
It means:
def rec(l):
if not l: return []
else:
x,ll = l[0],l[1:]
return [lambda y: x + y] + rec(ll)
followed by
fl = rec([1,2,3])
Naturally a reasonable *implementation* would ca
On 3/21/14 11:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
(Side point: You have your 0d and your 0a backwards; the Unix line
ending is U+000A, and the Windows default is U+000D U+000A.)
Yeah, I know... smart apple.
How are you going to make people change? What are you going to make
them change to? Who co
On 3/23/14 4:07 PM, tad na wrote:
On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:33:02 PM UTC-5, tad na wrote:
To set up a web browser:
1.open a dos window
2.navigate to dir you want "served"
3.type "python -m SimpleHTTPServer &."
4. open browser and type http://localhost:/
That is very ~cool. I learn
On 3/23/14 7:59 PM, anton wrote:
for i in (10**p for p in range(3, 8)):
print(i)
Never do their home-work for them; but, in this case, what the heck.
:)
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On 3/23/14 10:17 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Newline style IS relevant. You're saying that this will copy a file perfectly:
out = open("out", "w")
for line in open("in"):
out.write(line)
but it wouldn't if the iteration and write stripped and recreated
newlines? Incorrect, because this versi
On 3/22/14 4:46 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 23:51:38 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote:
Lambda is a problem, if only because it causes confusion. What's the
problem? Glad you asked. The constructs DO NOT work the way most people
would expect them to, having limited kn
On 3/24/14 4:58 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Where do you get reduce from if it's not in the standard library?
That was "a" proposal for 3000. Its there, but its not on the
built-ins; ie., you have to import it. The confusion: why reduce, why
not filter, nor map? {rhetorical}
As for lambd
On 3/24/14 4:49 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
There's no doubt that lambda is less-often useful than is the def
statement. But not only is it still useful, but there is a continual
stream of people asking for Python to make it *more useful* by allowing
the body of a lambda to be a full block, not ju
On 3/24/14 4:03 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
The difference does not really lie in the lambda construct per se but in
the binding style of closures. Functional languages tend to go one way
here; imperative languages tend to go the other. {snip}
The result may be more surprising to users accustomed to
On 3/24/14 6:01 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Easy fix. Use the "explicit capture" notation:
adders[n] = lambda a, n=n: a+n
And there you are, out of your difficulty at once!
Yes, yes, yes, and example:
adders= list(range(4))
for n in adders:
>adders[n] = lambda a, n=n: a+n
>
On 3/24/14 6:30 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
{And I recall standard practice was to hit \r, to return the carriage, \n
for next line, and one RUBOUT to provide a delay while the carriage
returned to the left}
Yes, yes... I remember well, there had to be a delay (of some type) to
wait for the h
On 3/24/14 5:43 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Mark H Harris:
Yes, its about closures, totally; the most confusing aspect of
lambda in python is not only the syntax but the idea of scope and
closure (for that syntax). Everyone is confused by this initially, not
because its complicated, but
On 3/24/14 7:11 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Mark H Harris wrote:
What is needed is the explicit closure "grab" recommended by ChrisA.
Which does work. You do know why, right?
Sure. ... but again, that's not the point. The point is NOT can y
On 3/24/14 7:32 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
marcus
I'd vote to have lambda taken out of the language if it meant avoiding
tedious threads like this one :(
Dude, you remind me of Eeyore; "days, weeks, months, who knows..."
Its just a conversation. Don't setup a polling booth yet. Its all i
On 3/22/14 3:59 PM, vasudevram wrote:
Thanks to all those who answered.
- Vasudev
I am wondering if the question was answered?
x = [[1,2],[3,4],[5,6]]
import ast
ast.dump(ast.parse('[x for x in x for x in x]'))
>
"Module(body=
>
[Expr(value=ListComp(elt=Name(id='x', ctx=Load()),
>
g
On 3/24/14 8:20 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 3/24/2014 7:56 PM, Mark H Harris wrote:
the list which is used for each of the adder[] functions created.
Wrong. Functions look up global and nonlocal names, such as n, when the
function is called.
hi Terry, yeah, I know; this is what's *
On 3/24/14 10:00 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
About time we started using unicode in earnest dont you think??
Id like to see the following spellings corrected:
lambda to λ
great idea!
{snip}
[And now I hand it over to our very dear resident troll to explain the glories
of the FSR]
Now, that'
On 3/24/14 10:17 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Yeah: Its 2014 (at least out here)...
About time we started using unicode in earnest dont you think??
We do.
Id like to see the following spellings corrected:
lambda to λ
in to ∈
(preferably with
On 3/24/14 10:25 PM, Mark H Harris wrote:
but, rats, can't find \ lambda
Ok, there we go -> λ
and ∈ and ∉ and ∀
no problem.
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On 3/24/14 8:45 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Your insistence that lambda is confusing is awfully condescending. People
are not as dumb as you insist, and they are perfectly capable of learning
lambda without a comp sci degree. Like any technical jargon, there is
vocabulary and meaning to learn, bu
On 3/24/14 10:51 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Supporting both may look tempting, but you effectively create two ways
of spelling the exact same thing; it'd be like C's trigraphs. Do you
know what ??= is,
This was a fit for me, back in the day IBM (system36 & system38). When
we started supporting
On 3/25/14 12:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
How quickly can you switch, type one letter (to generate one Cyrillic
character), and switch back?
... very fast.
Is not this nicer?
>>> Π = pi
>>>
>>> sin(Π/4)
0.7071067811865475
>>>
>>> cos(Π/4)
0.7071067811865476
>>>
my pdeclib constants exte
On 3/25/14 12:27 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
my pdeclib constants extension will have alternate spellings for Π and Γ
and Δ and others...
That's good! (Although typing Π quicker than pi is majorly pushing it.
Well, I'll tell ya, its exactly the same--- two key-strokes, believe it
or not.
On 3/25/14 12:28 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
π = pi
sin(π/4)
0.7071067811865475
cos(π/4)
0.7071067811865476
Looks better in emacs
Input with tex mode -- 1 char to switch
slightly verbose to type -- \pi gives π \Pi gives Π
Whoohoo... yes, way more betterer/
:)
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On 3/25/14 12:42 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
You are not counting mouse
For an emacs user
Looking at mouse counts as 3 keystrokes
ha! I would not be surprised that just "thinking" about the mouse
might be worth 3 key-strokes for an emacs user!
I use vi all the time; emacs less; depends on the
On 3/25/14 12:48 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Yup. Welcome to timezones. I'm UTC +11 here, although we'll drop back
to +10 shortly as DST finishes (yay!). It's currently 0547 UTC, so
you're presumably five hours behind UTC, which would put you east
coast USA, most likely. (Especially since your mail
On 3/25/14 12:48 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
(Especially since your mailer is putting the
dates as mm/dd/yy, which is an abomination peculiar to Americans.)
I did not know that; so is 25 Mar 2014 the preferred way?
marcus
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On 3/25/14 12:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
How quickly can you switch, type one letter (to generate one Cyrillic
character), and switch back?
Ok.. after installing Ukelete from Summer Institute of Linguistics SIL I
can now edit the installed keymaps and select them from input sources at
the t
On 3/25/14 9:42 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
All I need is a little python-example reading a file with e.g. three lines
with three numbers per line and putting those numbers as floats in a
3x3-numpy_array, then selecting an element from that numpy_array using
it's row and column-number.
If your instr
On 3/25/14 7:36 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
(we're on one tiny planet, you know?)
Speak for yourself.
Are others on this list, um, on a different planet? Or, am I the only
one who knows its tiny?
Yes, we're on a tiny planet revolving around a speck of a star, at the
edge of an insignificant
greetings, I would like to create a lamda as follows:
√ = lambda n: sqrt(n)
On my keyboard mapping the "problem" character is alt-v which produces
the radical symbol. When trying to set the symbol as a name within the
name-space gives a syntax error:
>>> from math import sqrt
>>>
>>> √ = la
On 3/25/14 1:52 PM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
'√'.isidentifier()
> False
'λ'.isidentifier()
> True
> S.isidentifier() -> bool
>
> Return True if S is a valid identifier according
> to the language definition.
>
> cf "unicode.org" doc
Excellent, thanks!
marcus
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On 3/25/14 2:24 PM, MRAB wrote:
> It's explained in PEP 3131.
>
> Basically, a name should to start with a letter (this has been extended
> to include Chinese characters, etc) or an underscore.
>
> λ is a classified as Lowercase_Letter.
>
> √ is classified as Math_Symbol.
Thanks much! I'll no
On 3/25/14 6:58 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
To quote a great Spaniard:
“You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you
think it means.”
In~con~theveable ! My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my
father, prepare to die...
Do you think that the ability to write
On 3/26/14 1:35 AM, alex23 wrote:
On 25/03/2014 12:39 PM, Mark H Harris wrote:
my version semantically is "how it is perceived" by the user
Could you please stop claiming to have insight into the comprehension of
anyone other than yourself? Hasty generalisations don't help your
On 3/27/14 10:51 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Observe:
Good ol infix -- x+y..
prefix (with paren) -- foo(x)
prefix without -- ¬ x
In case you thought alphanumerics had parens -- sin x
Then theres postfix -- n!
Inside fix -- nCr (Or if you prefer ⁿCᵣ ??)
And outside fix -- mod -- |x|
And Ive pro
On 3/25/14 6:38 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
A couple of us managed to "steal" the school login/password (don't
think we ever used it, but...)... The teaching assistant didn't notice the
paper tape punch was active when persuaded to login to let us run a short
program (high school BASIC
On 3/27/14 11:10 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:44 AM, Mark H Harris wrote:
My comments here are not in the least hasty, nor are they generalizations.
They are based on long years of experience with "normal" users, {snip}
Who is a "normal user"?
On 3/27/14 11:48 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Mark H Harris wrote:
For the purposes of this list, a "normal" user is a reasonably intelligent
college educated non "computer professional" non "computer scientist" non
"expert&quo
On 3/27/14 4:42 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
And this is the bit where, I think, we disagree. I think that
programming is for programmers, in the same way that music is for
musicians and the giving of legal advice is for lawyers. Yes, there
are armchair lawyers, and plenty of people can pick up a hy
On 3/27/14 7:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> As for enormous number of users who will have
> difficulty typing √ in their source code, they certainly don't count!
> It's good enough that *you* have a solution to that problem, you can type
> alt-v, and anyone who can't simply doesn't matter.
You h
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:42 PM, vasudevram wrote:
>> Can anyone - maybe one of the Python language core team, or someone
>> with knowledge of the internals of Python - can explain why this
>> code works, and whether the different occurrences of the name x in
>> the expression, are in differen
On 3/27/14 6:45 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:42 PM, vasudevram wrote:
Can anyone - maybe one of the Python language core team,
or someone with knowledge of the internals of Python - can
explain why this code works, and whether the different
occurrences of the name x in the
On 3/27/14 6:45 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote:
x = [[1,2], [3,4], [5,6]]
[x for x in x for x in x]
I'll give this +1 for playfulness, and -2 for lack of clarity.
I hope no one thinks this sort of thing is good to do in real-life code.
You might try this to flatten a list of lists:
>>> from
On 3/28/14 5:12 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
No. This has to be a better way to flatten lists:
>>> from functools import reduce
>>> import operator as λ
>>> reduce(λ.add, l)
[1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
Why reinvent yet another way of flattening lists, particulary one that
doesn't use the fa
On 3/28/14 9:33 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Mark, please stop posting to the newsgroup comp.lang.python AND the
mailing list python-list@python.org. They mirror each other. Your posts
are not so important that we need to see everything twice.
Its not my fault, Steven. Something goofy is going on
On 3/28/14 9:45 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Mark H Harris wrote:
We have a unicode system [1] capable of zillions of characters, and most of
[us] have some qwerty system keyboard [104 keys?] with meta key mappings for
a few more. Talk about the cart before the
On 3/28/14 9:31 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:05:15 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote:
>>> from functools import reduce
>>> L = [[1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7],[8,9]]
>>> import operator as λ
>>> reduce(λ.add, L)
[1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
On 3/28/14 10:21 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Well, something's causing your messages to come out multiple times and
with different subject lines :)
I changed the subject line ( which I did twice because the first
post said it had an error and did not post; which apparently was a lie).
Th
On 3/28/14 10:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Why must
everyone in the world be stuck with a U.S. Royal typewriter keyboard for
two or three hundred years?
You are being patronising to the 94% of the world that is not from the
USA. Do you honestly think that people all over the world have been u
On 3/28/14 11:07 PM, Mark H Harris wrote:
Think, virtual keyboard, on a keytoplayout... but separate from any
touchable screen. And, think mac keytops (or flatter) not the plastic
IBM typewriter like keyboards of today. Think beyond.
What if~ when I select my UK standard keytop mappings (from
On 3/28/14 11:16 PM, Mark H Harris wrote:
I am able to type in Greek, well I've been doing it for about 12 years,
but it would be s much better if the keytopsection actually morphed.
What if, when you opened your new computer in Botswana, and you selected
your language in gnu/linux
On 3/28/14 11:18 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
On the inexpensive end, Think Penguin will also happily ship Tux logo
stickers to go on top of the Super key
https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/tux-super-key-keyboard-sticker>.
That's ~cool. I can now remove that nasty M$ meta key. Actually, I got
so
On 3/28/14 10:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
You are being patronising to the 94% of the world that is not from the
USA. Do you honestly think that people all over the world have been using
computers for 30 or 40 years without any way to enter their native
language?
uh, pretty much. That's why
On 3/29/14 12:13 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
When I first met Windows keys, I just popped 'em off and left a gap.
Worked fine.
ha! see.. it popped you off too! :-)) I found it arrogant to the
max to place their stupid logo on (my) keyboard. What if every company
out there wanted "their" o
On 3/29/14 12:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Okay. History lesson time.
Tell me what is the lingua franka today?
Is it, E n g l i s h ?
For many many many years people all over the earth were using
English and ASCII to communicate with early computers... they still are.
Almost e
On 3/29/14 1:03 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
http://forum.ecomstation.ru/
Prominent discussion forum, although that strives to be at least
partially bilingual in deference to those of us who are so backward as
to speak only English.
Yes. Well, as the joke goes, if you're trilingual you speak
On 3/29/14 10:45 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 29/03/2014 08:21, Mark H Harris wrote:
Yes. Well, as the joke goes, if you're trilingual you speak three
languages, if you're bilingual you speak two languages, if you're
monolingual you're an American (well, that might
On 3/29/14 6:59 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
I hate localization. You get a error message in Finnish from "make" or
"grep" and then you try to google it.
So mine is en_US, but I know people who do fi_FI.
... this is my point precisely.
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On 3/29/14 12:53 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
People have had localised code pages, and localised keyboards to enter
characters in those code pages, for up to 30 years, if not longer.
Nobody is arguing otherwise, Steven. Having a code page for a local
language is not the same thing as having
On 3/30/14 1:31 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. We have people here from
all over the earth, and enough illegal immigrants speaking Spanish to
account for a population about the size of Ohio.
*raises eyebrow*
Did you intend to imply that it is only il
On 3/30/14 5:35 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 01:48:27 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote:
Don't be silly, Steven, it doesn't become you.
Given the sorts of patronising, condescending things you insist are true
about non-Americans, such as their supposed inability
On 3/30/14 5:35 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Approximately 5% of the US population either do not speak English at all,
or speak it poorly. That includes approximately half a million ASL
speakers (American Sign Language, which is not a manual representation of
English but an independent language in
On 3/30/14 1:31 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
The most recent US census found there are 38.5 million people in the US
who primarily speak Spanish, and 45 million who speak it as their first
or second language. In comparison, there are only an estimated 11 million
illegal immigrants (of which only 7
On 3/31/14 12:05 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
What say you? We all type in our own language, and everyone else gets to
read it in their own language. Its kinda like the day of Pentecost (except
that its print instead of audio).
And Pentecost required direct intervention of the all-powerful God o
On 3/30/14 10:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
In 1991, there was no wireless, no mobile computing, hardly any public
Internet outside of the universities. It was before the Eternal
September, and only a few years after the Great Renaming.
I was using arpanet since the late 1970s.
Python had
On 3/31/14 3:46 PM, Rhodri James wrote:
I was using arpanet since the late 1970s.
I was using JANet since the early 80s, and I'm by no means the oldest
person here. I should stop playing that card if I were you.
My point (which you missed) is not how old I am, rather, for some of
us 1
On 4/1/14 4:49 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mark H Harris wrote:
Python3 finally started getting unicode right. The fact that it 'existed'
in some form prior to (3) is not meaningful, nor helpful.
When I said, "python has only really used i
On 4/1/14 5:33 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
hi Terry, hope you are well today, despite gmane difficulties;
If you narrowly meant "The python interpreter only starting using
unicode as the default text class in 3.0", then you are, in that narrow
sense, correct.
Yes. When I speak of 'python' I
On 4/3/14 12:14 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Mark H Harris :
So, python(3)'s use of unicode is exciting, not only as a step forward
for the python interpreter, but also as a leadership step forward in
computer science around the world.
Big words. I don't think computer science has e
On 4/3/14 5:43 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
So your definition of "useful" for the Decimal module is "fast" and
your definition of "useful" for Unicode is "mandated into use".
No. I did not define 'useful'. I placed 'useful' on a continuum
whereby 'useful' is non definitive & relative. Go re
On 4/3/14 9:07 PM, alex23 wrote:
On 4/04/2014 2:38 AM, Mark H Harris wrote:
If I speak of the python community, and I rarely do
Maybe you speak "of" them rarely but you claim to speak "for" them
fairly often.
I am sorry, and I do apologize (genuinely). I knowingly
On 4/3/14 9:10 PM, dave em wrote:
I am taking a cryptography class and am having a
tough time with an assignment similar to this.
hi Dave, if your instructor wanted you to work on this with other people
she would have made it a group project and ordered pizza for everyone.
I'll give you so
On 4/3/14 2:43 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
What does computer science have to show of late? A better mutual
exclusion algorithm? Dancing trees?
Ok, cryptography has been pretty exciting. The back and forth between
feasibility and unfeasibility. The ongoing cat and mouse.
Computer science i
On 4/3/14 10:10 PM, dave em wrote:
Thanks, got it. Sometimes the simple things can be difficult.
Dave
You haven't seen nothing yet, wait till M.L. catches you on the flip
side for using gg. {running for cover}
marcus
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On 4/4/14 3:20 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 04/04/2014 03:29, Mark H Harris wrote:
Now, about Python2. It has not died. It appears to be 'useful'.
{snip}
For a lot of people, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
hi Mark, yes that's my point. I have heard rum
On 4/4/14 1:16 AM, James Harris wrote:
YMMV but I thought the OP had done a good job before asking for help and
then asked about only a tiny bit of it. Some just post a question!
Indeed they do. Its a little like negotiating with terrorists. As
soon as you negotiate with the first one, you
On 4/4/14 4:50 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
You could answer all of the above for yourself if you were to use your
favourite search engine.
hi Mark, yeah, condescending as that is, been there done that.
See this link as just one example:
http://blog.startifact.com/posts/python28-discussion-chann
On 4/4/14 5:39 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Yes, because python-list responses are *so* much more reliable than
official statements on python.org,
{/sarcasm off}
... from some responders. The discussion following such posts is also
*much* more valuable, too. IMHO
Python.org is the political p
On 4/4/14 5:36 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
If someone is asking for a hint, it's because
s/he is trying to learn. I'm always willing to help someone learn,
regardless of whether they're going through a course or currently
employed or whatever. Sometimes a small hint can be obtained from the
interpr
On 4/4/14 6:16 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Fear/panic of a fork, where did that come from? It's certainly the
first I've ever heard of it.
hi Mark, it came from Ian; or, my interpretation of Ian. It comes out on
the net too (from various places). Here is Ian's quote, then my comment:
Eventua
On 4/4/14 10:04 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
I am a core developer and I am 99.99% sure that the core developers will
not produce a CPython 2.8. For one thing we will likely do instead, see
http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0466/
Thanks Terry. The back-port sounds great; I find the "Rejected
al
On 4/4/14 7:00 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Berp, Brython, CLPython, CPython, CapPython, ChinesePython, Compyler,
Copperhead, Cython, HoPe, HotPy, IronPython, Jython, Kivy, Mypy, Mython,
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On 4/4/14 10:42 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Computer-hobbyists and computer-professionals are quite different sets of
people.
I know its just a gut feel, and I know there are a lot of lurkers
here too, but it seems that there are *way* more folks from the
professional camp on comp.lang.python
On 4/4/14 11:40 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
If it's too much work to make the changes to move something from
Python 2.7 to Python 3.3, it's *definitely* too much work to rewrite
it in a different language.
Totally, no doubt.
There would have to be some strong other
reason for shifting, espec
On 4/4/14 11:49 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Mark H Harris wrote:
Its has always seemed to me that Java or C++ would be better suited to
creating python. I wonder will C always be the standard canonical PSF python
interpreter base language? Has the C python
On 4/5/14 12:02 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
A fork is undesirable because it fragments the community. I don't
think "fear" or "panic" are the right words for it.
Yes. I get that. I think what is desired (just thinking out loud
from my own vantage point) is a unified community, but also a foundat
On 4/5/14 1:01 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
Mark H Harris writes:
On 4/5/14 12:02 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
A fork is undesirable because it fragments the community. I don't
think "fear" or "panic" are the right words for it.
Yes. I get that.
So, you get that “fear
On 4/4/14 4:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Python is not a computer-science-ey language.
Every programming language is interesting from a comp sci standpoint.
Some are more useful for research; python is one of those.
For what reasons do you disagree?
marcus
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On 4/4/14 4:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Python is not a computer-science-ey language.
Really ?
It is of little or no
interest to computer scientists involved in the mathematics of
computation,
... you mean no one except me, then ?
or compiler-theory, or type-theory, or any of the
On 4/4/14 4:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Python is not a computer-science-ey language.
Really ?
> It is of little or no
> interest to computer scientists involved in the mathematics of
> computation,
... you mean no one except me, then ?
> or compiler-theory, or type-theory, or any o
On 4/6/14 12:31 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
I think python wins because it (usually) lets people do their thing
(includes but not limited to CS-research)
and gets out of the way. To say therefore that it is irrelevant to the
research is a strange inversion of its advantages.
I think so too. I f
On 4/8/14 2:07 AM, James Brewer wrote:
I don't think that I have anything to learn
from my co-workers, which saddens me because I really like to learn and
I know that I have a lot of learning to do.
Give it time. The first thing that must happen is relationship
building. Initially its about
On 4/8/14 3:09 PM, Grawburg wrote:
I have a N/O pushbutton that I want to "latch" a value to a variable when it's
been pressed.
I need button_value to become '1' when the button is pressed and to remain '1'
until ...
What do I use to 'latch' button_value?
Philosophically speaking buttons
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