sturlamolden wrote:
> There is a whole generation of computer users out there scared stiff of
> using the keyboard. Soon, computers will not have a keyboard at all.
> The trend is perhaps more pronounced among managers not writing code
> themselves, but "taking decisions" about which tools to use.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Having never used java or .NET I'm not sure what you're looking for.
There is a whole generation of computer users out there scared stiff of
using the keyboard. Soon, computers will not have a keyboard at all.
The trend is perhaps more pronounced among managers not wri
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
>functions at ever higher levels of abstraction, or to have a
>proliferation of nebulously-defined "manager" objects.) IMHO once you
>cross this chasm and are able to model your problem domain with live
>objects that go off
Peter Wang wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> > Peter Wang wrote:
> > > Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> > > > what about persistency?
> > >
> > > Um... what about it?
> >
> > "
> > As far as I can see, there's no persistency binding available.
> >
> > Is one planned?
> > "
> > http://groups.google.com/g
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> Peter Wang wrote:
> > Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> > > what about persistency?
> >
> > Um... what about it?
>
> "
> As far as I can see, there's no persistency binding available.
>
> Is one planned?
> "
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/dbdaedc68eee653a
Th
Peter Wang wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> > looks interesting.
>
> Thanks!
>
> > what about persistency?
>
> Um... what about it?
"
As far as I can see, there's no persistency binding available.
Is one planned?
"
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/dbdaedc68eee653a
.
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Terry Reedy wrote:
> "Ilias Lazaridis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I share the infrastructure which I use:
> >
> > http://dev.lazaridis.com/base
>
> But not quite yet, it appears. "A public release is planned shortly"
Thank you for you comment.
You are right.
Edward Diener No Spam schreef:
> It would be easier for me if you could get an NG somewhere for
> Enthought, perhaps on GMane, since I always find mailing lists much more
> clunky than a good NG. But that is up to Enthought.
FYI: you don't necessarily depend on Enthought for that; anyone can ask
Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
> Kay Schluehr wrote:
>
>>val bykoski wrote:
>>
>>>Peter Wang wrote:
>>>
Edward,
This isn't in response to any specific one of the 100+ posts on this
thread, but I justed wanted to encourage you to continue your
investigation into Python component
Kay Schluehr wrote:
> val bykoski wrote:
>> Peter Wang wrote:
>>> Edward,
>>>
>>> This isn't in response to any specific one of the 100+ posts on this
>>> thread, but I justed wanted to encourage you to continue your
>>> investigation into Python component models and maybe looking for some
>>> comm
Peter Wang wrote:
> Edward Diener wrote:
>> It looks as if traits is an attempt to create a "property" in the
>> component terminology which I originally specified. I will take a look
>> at it.
>
> Traits is frighteningly similar to the requirements that you laid out
> in your post (the example fo
val bykoski wrote:
> Peter Wang wrote:
> > Edward,
> >
> > This isn't in response to any specific one of the 100+ posts on this
> > thread, but I justed wanted to encourage you to continue your
> > investigation into Python component models and maybe looking for some
> > common ground between them.
On 10/12/06, Peter Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter Decker wrote:
> > I think you should take a good look at Dabo and the visual tools they
> > are creating.
>
> Thanks for the hint, Peter. I've heard of Dabo and it's on my list of
> things to be inspected. Perhaps my postings have been misu
Peter Wang wrote:
> Edward,
>
> This isn't in response to any specific one of the 100+ posts on this
> thread, but I justed wanted to encourage you to continue your
> investigation into Python component models and maybe looking for some
> common ground between them. Frequently the individual deve
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
>
Meanwhile, the Web programming standardisation scene remains
stagnant.
>>> Aw, come on. The Python web programming standardisation wars are over, for
>>> now.
>>> There's Django, and there's TurboGears,
>> And there's Pylons...
>
> a
"Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> and a zillion other more or less interesting research projects. I don't see
> any traces
> of the kind of ecosystems and market awareness that exist for Zope, Django,
> and
> TurboGears (or for that matter, Rails and Mason), for any other Python web
Steve Holden wrote:
> Paul Boddie wrote:
>
> > I'm not at the cutting edge here: 20j and 20k are the commands (replace
> > 20 with another suitable amount) which help me jump around in my editor
> > of choice. The other commands which may be more effective just aren't
> > in my "working set".
> >
>
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
>>> Meanwhile, the Web programming standardisation scene remains
>>> stagnant.
>>
>> Aw, come on. The Python web programming standardisation wars are over, for
>> now.
>> There's Django, and there's TurboGears,
>
> And there's Pylons...
and a zillion other more or les
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Paul Boddie wrote:
>
>> Meanwhile, the Web programming standardisation scene remains
>> stagnant.
>
> Aw, come on. The Python web programming standardisation wars are over, for
> now.
> There's Django, and there's TurboGears,
And there's Pylons...
> and there's Zope 2/
Peter Maas wrote:
> Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
>> Peter Maas wrote:
> [...]
>>> a reference implementation for web programming as part of the standard
>>> library,
>> wsgiref is part of the 2.5 stdlib.
>
> Yes, but it's not an implementation. Think of something like Tomcat for
> the Java Servlet
Paul Boddie wrote:
> I'm not at the cutting edge here: 20j and 20k are the commands (replace
> 20 with another suitable amount) which help me jump around in my editor
> of choice. The other commands which may be more effective just aren't
> in my "working set".
>
You *might* find CTRL/U and CTRL/
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> looks interesting.
Thanks!
> what about persistency?
Um... what about it?
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Edward,
This isn't in response to any specific one of the 100+ posts on this
thread, but I justed wanted to encourage you to continue your
investigation into Python component models and maybe looking for some
common ground between them. Frequently the individual developers are
too heads-down on w
Edward Diener wrote:
> It looks as if traits is an attempt to create a "property" in the
> component terminology which I originally specified. I will take a look
> at it.
Traits is frighteningly similar to the requirements that you laid out
in your post (the example for Skip), including delegates!
Ed Jensen wrote:
> Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > People who bring up stuff about self and indentation are just showing
> > their ignorance
>
> Ouch. That stings.
>
> Python's "indentation determines scope" makes it hard for me to discuss
> Python via mediums like IRC and instant messe
Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> People who bring up stuff about self and indentation are just showing
> their ignorance
Ouch. That stings.
Python's "indentation determines scope" makes it hard for me to discuss
Python via mediums like IRC and instant messengers.
It also makes it hard t
Peter Decker wrote:
> I think you should take a good look at Dabo and the visual tools they
> are creating.
Thanks for the hint, Peter. I've heard of Dabo and it's on my list of
things to be inspected. Perhaps my postings have been misunderstood. I don't
feel uneasy with Python. I'm using it since
Kay Schluehr wrote:
> Peter Maas wrote:
>> How many programmers don't use Python because of the self issue?
>
> The only reason I know why self shall not be inforced is reducing the
> number of troll postings.
The only method that works to reduce the number of troll postings is:
spot them, then i
"Ilias Lazaridis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I share the infrastructure which I use:
>
> http://dev.lazaridis.com/base
But not quite yet, it appears. "A public release is planned shortly"
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Erik Max Francis wrote:
>> http://dabodev.com
>> http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/DaboAudit
>
> Who. Cares. What. You. Think?
his mom?
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Peter Maas wrote:
> Paul Boddie wrote:
> > People who bring up stuff about self and indentation are just showing
> > their ignorance, in my opinion, since Python isn't the first language
> > to use self in such a way, and many C++ and Java programs use this
> > pervasively in order to make attribu
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> http://dabodev.com
> http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/DaboAudit
Who. Cares. What. You. Think?
--
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San Jose, CA, USA && 37 20 N 121 53 W && AIM, Y!M erikmaxfrancis
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Robert Kern wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> > Robert Kern wrote:
> >> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> >>> Robert Kern wrote:
> No, he's just a troll that enjoys telling everyone what to do. Don't try
> to get
> him to contribute anything useful; it won't work.
> >>> Mr. Kern! Seeing you
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> Robert Kern wrote:
>> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>>> Robert Kern wrote:
No, he's just a troll that enjoys telling everyone what to do. Don't try
to get
him to contribute anything useful; it won't work.
>>> Mr. Kern! Seeing you working on such a seemingly excelle
Peter Decker wrote:
> On 11 Oct 2006 20:08:12 -0700, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Well, then, why not contribute? Or are you waiting for everyone else
> > > to do it for you?
> >
> > I've contributed already (my contructive criticism).
> >
> > It's up to the team to react.
>
Robert Kern wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> > Robert Kern wrote:
>
> >> No, he's just a troll that enjoys telling everyone what to do. Don't try
> >> to get
> >> him to contribute anything useful; it won't work.
> >
> > Mr. Kern! Seeing you working on such a seemingly excellent product, I
> > am
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> Robert Kern wrote:
>> No, he's just a troll that enjoys telling everyone what to do. Don't try to
>> get
>> him to contribute anything useful; it won't work.
>
> Mr. Kern! Seeing you working on such a seemingly excellent product, I
> am really wondering about your tenor.
On 11 Oct 2006 20:08:12 -0700, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, then, why not contribute? Or are you waiting for everyone else
> > to do it for you?
>
> I've contributed already (my contructive criticism).
>
> It's up to the team to react.
Wow! What a contribution! Amazing tha
"Ilias Lazaridis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Terrible this open source folks.
> One cannot say one word without beeing asked to contribute.
+1 QOTW, in a new category for kooks.
--
\ "Say what you will about the Ten Commandments, you must always |
`\ come back to the pleasant
Robert Kern wrote:
> Peter Decker wrote:
> > On 11 Oct 2006 18:56:30 -0700, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> yes, an interesting tool.
> >>
> >> But to get more attention and developers, the project needs to be
> >> polished.
> >>
> >> really unattractive resources:
> >>
> >> htt
shed website, then offer to contribute one!
Terrible this open source folks.
One cannot say one word without beeing asked to contribute.
> Don't whine
> about a couple of developers who are doing amazing things in their
doing amazing things is not enouth to bring a language-commun
Peter Decker wrote:
> On 11 Oct 2006 18:56:30 -0700, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> yes, an interesting tool.
>>
>> But to get more attention and developers, the project needs to be
>> polished.
>>
>> really unattractive resources:
>>
>> http://dabodev.com
>> http://case.lazaridis
On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
> The Visual Studio RAD IDE environment actually modifies source code
> constructors, via an InitializeComponent() function called from it, in
> order to set properties and events in components. It does mark the
> function as such with comm
On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:47 PM, fumanchu wrote:
>> 4) Custom property and component editors: A component editor can
>> present
>> a property editor or an editor for an entire component which the
>> visual
>> design-time RAD environment can use to allow the programmer end-
>> user of
>> the compo
On 11 Oct 2006 18:56:30 -0700, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yes, an interesting tool.
>
> But to get more attention and developers, the project needs to be
> polished.
>
> really unattractive resources:
>
> http://dabodev.com
> http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/DaboAudit
Well, then,
Peter Decker wrote:
> On 10/10/06, Peter Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I for my part would be happy to see a Delphi-like RAD tool for Python,
> > a reference implementation for web programming as part of the standard
> > library, Jython 2.5, Python for PHP or whatever attracts new programm
Peter Maas wrote:
> Paul Boddie wrote:
> > People who bring up stuff about self and indentation are just showing
> > their ignorance, in my opinion, since Python isn't the first language
> > to use self in such a way, and many C++ and Java programs use this
> > pervasively in order to make attribut
On 10/10/06, Peter Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I for my part would be happy to see a Delphi-like RAD tool for Python,
> a reference implementation for web programming as part of the standard
> library, Jython 2.5, Python for PHP or whatever attracts new programmers.
I think you should take
Paul Boddie wrote:
> People who bring up stuff about self and indentation are just showing
> their ignorance, in my opinion, since Python isn't the first language
> to use self in such a way, and many C++ and Java programs use this
> pervasively in order to make attribute scope explicit, whereas th
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
> Peter Maas wrote:
[...]
>> a reference implementation for web programming as part of the standard
>> library,
>
> wsgiref is part of the 2.5 stdlib.
Yes, but it's not an implementation. Think of something like Tomcat for
the Java Servlet Specification.
--
Regards/G
Kay Schluehr wrote:
> Paul Boddie wrote:
>
> > I've never maintained that a monopoly on how Web programming is done
> > would be a good thing. All I've ever tried to understand is why people
> > haven't tried to improve the generic support for Web programming (and a
> > whole load of other things)
Paul Boddie wrote:
> I've never maintained that a monopoly on how Web programming is done
> would be a good thing. All I've ever tried to understand is why people
> haven't tried to improve the generic support for Web programming (and a
> whole load of other things) even to the level of something
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Paul Boddie wrote:
> >
> > Well, that's just another way of saying that the scene remains
> > stagnant, because I don't see any winners.
>
> one, two, overflow ? or are you saying that the lack of a monopoly means
> market stagnation, no matter how innovative the three big o
Paul Boddie wrote:
>> Aw, come on. The Python web programming standardisation wars are over, for
>> now.
>
> Well, that's just another way of saying that the scene remains
> stagnant, because I don't see any winners.
one, two, overflow ? or are you saying that the lack of a monopoly means
mark
"Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> one, two, overflow ? or are you saying that the lack of a monopoly means
> market stagnation, no matter how innovative the three big ones are ?
It worked for Ruby on Rails...
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Paul Boddie wrote:
>
> > Meanwhile, the Web programming standardisation scene remains
> > stagnant.
>
> Aw, come on. The Python web programming standardisation wars are over, for
> now.
Well, that's just another way of saying that the scene remains
stagnant, because I don'
Paul Boddie wrote:
> Meanwhile, the Web programming standardisation scene remains
> stagnant.
Aw, come on. The Python web programming standardisation wars are over, for now.
There's Django, and there's TurboGears, and there's Zope 2/3, all with slightly
different
approaches, and slightly differ
at advocates of certain
other languages seem particularly inclined to indulge in.
> I for my part would be happy to see a Delphi-like RAD tool for Python,
> a reference implementation for web programming as part of the standard
> library, Jython 2.5, Python for PHP or whatever attracts new
Peter Maas wrote:
> Bruno Desthuilliers schrieb:
>> Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
>> (snip)
>> Python itself is a RAD tool.
>>
>> +1 QOTW
>
> No, please stop self-assuring, self-pleasing QOTWs!
Certainly not !-)
(snip)
> I for my part would be happy to see a Delphi-like RAD tool for Python
Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
> "Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nick Vatamaniuc wrote:
> >
> > > At the same time one could claim that Python already has certain
> > > policies that makes it seem as if it has a component model.
> 8<---
"Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nick Vatamaniuc wrote:
>
> > At the same time one could claim that Python already has certain
> > policies that makes it seem as if it has a component model.
8<
> implementing
Robert Kern wrote:
> Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
...
> >> You'll definitely want to take a look at Enthought's Traits (disclaimer:
> >> I work for Enthought). I'm supposed to be on vacation now, so I'm not
> >> going to give you the full rundown of Traits and Traits UI, so I'm
> >> simply going t
Peter Maas wrote:
> Bruno Desthuilliers schrieb:
> > Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
> > (snip)
> > Python itself is a RAD tool.
> >
> > +1 QOTW
>
> No, please stop self-assuring, self-pleasing QOTWs! This afternoon
> I was in the local book warehouse and went to the computer book
> departme
Bruno Desthuilliers schrieb:
> Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
> (snip)
> Python itself is a RAD tool.
>
> +1 QOTW
No, please stop self-assuring, self-pleasing QOTWs! This afternoon
I was in the local book warehouse and went to the computer book
department. They had banned 2-3 Python books
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> fumanchu wrote:
>
>>> 4) Custom property and component editors: A component editor can present
>>> a property editor or an editor for an entire component which the visual
>>> design-time RAD environment can use to allow the programmer end-user of
>>> the component to set or
to develop their ideas for many different environments.
Wanting a common PME component model is a way of saying that Python
class developers can develop their classes as components and at least at
the base level can expect them to work flawlessly in any Python
environment. I am NOT against a part
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
> Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
> (snip)
> Python itself is a RAD tool.
>
> +1 QOTW
>
Agreed.
Georg
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Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
> I agree and I would want to have a component event model for Python that
> is much superior to the JavaBeans event model in ease of use.
isn't that an old Perlis quote? "I want a component event model in
which I need only say what I wish done"?
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fumanchu wrote:
> Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
>> OK, here is my idea of what such a component model envisages as a list
>> of items. After this, unless I get some intelligent comments from people
>> who might be interested in what I envision, or something very similar, I
>> will be off to investig
Paul Boddie wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Edward> My OP was just to query whether a component model existed for
>> Edward> Python, like JavaBeans for Java or .Net for C#, C++/CLI
>> Edward> etc.
>>
>> For those of us who've never used Java, .Net or C++/CLI, a more concrete
>> description of
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
> The amazing flexibility stems from the fact that it is _runtime_. This is
> _exactly_ the difference between static and dynamic typing.
Not _exactly_. You can have static typing in an interpreted language (Java)
and dynamic typing in a machine language (Basic with variant
fumanchu wrote:
>> 4) Custom property and component editors: A component editor can present
>> a property editor or an editor for an entire component which the visual
>> design-time RAD environment can use to allow the programmer end-user of
>> the component to set or get component property values
fumanchu wrote:
> > 4) Custom property and component editors: A component editor can present
> > a property editor or an editor for an entire component which the visual
> > design-time RAD environment can use to allow the programmer end-user of
> > the component to set or get component property va
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Edward> My OP was just to query whether a component model existed for
> Edward> Python, like JavaBeans for Java or .Net for C#, C++/CLI
> Edward> etc.
>
> For those of us who've never used Java, .Net or C++/CLI, a more concrete
> description of what you were after from th
Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
> OK, here is my idea of what such a component model envisages as a list
> of items. After this, unless I get some intelligent comments from people
> who might be interested in what I envision, or something very similar, I
> will be off to investigate it myself rather t
Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
> Nick Vatamaniuc wrote:
> > Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
> >> Michael wrote:
> >
> > Python does not _need_ a component model just as you don't _need_ a RAD
> > IDE tool to write Python code. The reason for having a component model
> > or a RAD IDE tool is to avoid wri
Edward> My OP was just to query whether a component model existed for
Edward> Python, like JavaBeans for Java or .Net for C#, C++/CLI
Edward> etc.
For those of us who've never used Java, .Net or C++/CLI, a more concrete
description of what you were after from the beginning would have
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
>
>> There's no doubt that Python's excellent introspection mechanism allows
>> an outside RAD-like tool to inspect the workings of any Python object.
>> But that does not make it a component model in my original use of the
>> term on this thread
Tim Chase wrote:
>> There's no doubt that Python's excellent introspection mechanism
>> allows an outside RAD-like tool to inspect the workings of any Python
>> object. But that does not make it a component model in my original use
>> of the term on this thread. A RAD tool needs to know what pro
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> "Edward Diener No Spam" wrote:
>
>
>>>if you want better support for more precise hooking, post some examples.
>>
>>I want a design-time environment to hook up my objects in a visual way.
>>I think it is easier than doing it manually, even in Python.
>
>
> what objects?
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
>> While I understand dynamic typing, I still think it is possible to
>> create attributes in a Python component model which could tell a RAD
>> tool what type the attribute will encompass for the purpose of
>> properties and events. Obviously a &
"Edward Diener No Spam" wrote:
>> if you want better support for more precise hooking, post some examples.
>
> I want a design-time environment to hook up my objects in a visual way.
> I think it is easier than doing it manually, even in Python.
what objects? what hooks? visually, in what way?
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> "Edward Diener No Spam" wrote:
>
>> A RAD IDE tool to hook up components into an application or library (
>> module in Python ) has nothing to do with terseness and everything to do
>> with ease of programming.
>
> python already has excellent and ridiculously easy-to-progr
Richard Brodie wrote:
> "Edward Diener No Spam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> "Thinking in Java or C++" as opposed to Python does not mean anything to me
>> as a general
>> statement. I am well aware of the difference between statically and
>> dynamically t
> While I understand dynamic typing, I still think it is possible to
> create attributes in a Python component model which could tell a RAD
> tool what type the attribute will encompass for the purpose of
> properties and events. Obviously a "name, type" tuple, among other
> There's no doubt that Python's excellent introspection mechanism allows
> an outside RAD-like tool to inspect the workings of any Python object.
> But that does not make it a component model in my original use of the
> term on this thread. A RAD tool needs to know what properties and events
>
Michael Sparks wrote:
> Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
>>>
Has there ever been, or is there presently anybody, in the Python
developer community who sees the same need and is working toward that
goal of a common component model in Pyth
Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
> There's no doubt that Python's excellent introspection mechanism allows
> an outside RAD-like tool to inspect the workings of any Python object.
> But that does not make it a component model in my original use of the
> term on this thread. A RAD tool needs to know wh
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Nick Vatamaniuc wrote:
>
>> At the same time one could claim that Python already has certain
>> policies that makes it seem as if it has a component model.
>
> every Python object surely qualifies as a component, for any non-myopic
> definition of that word, and everything
"Edward Diener No Spam" wrote:
> A RAD IDE tool to hook up components into an application or library (
> module in Python ) has nothing to do with terseness and everything to do
> with ease of programming.
python already has excellent and ridiculously easy-to-program ways to hook
things up. afte
Steve Holden wrote:
> Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
> [...]
>>> Just the same, one can use IronPython to call components written in
>>> other languages. And, I believe, vice versa.
>>
>>
>> Sure, as I can do it in jython. But the key point is: can your ordinary
>> python-object be published as a componen
things together, to dynamize that -
> whereas python is dynamic on the first hand, and actually lacks static
> typing to infer component properties...
While I understand dynamic typing, I still think it is possible to
create attributes in a Python component model which could tell a RAD
to
"Edward Diener No Spam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Thinking in Java or C++" as opposed to Python does not mean anything to me
> as a general
> statement. I am well aware of the difference between statically and
> dynamically typed
> languages but why this
Paul Rubin wrote:
> "Nick Vatamaniuc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Python does not _need_ a component model just as you don't _need_ a RAD
>> IDE tool to write Python code. The reason for having a component model
>> or a RAD IDE tool is to avoid writing a lot of boiler plate code.
>
> It's also
Nick Vatamaniuc wrote:
> Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>
> Python does not _need_ a component model just as you don't _need_ a RAD
> IDE tool to write Python code. The reason for having a component model
> or a RAD IDE tool is to avoid writing a lot of boiler plate code.
> Python
Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
> >
> >> Has there ever been, or is there presently anybody, in the Python
> >> developer community who sees the same need and is working toward that
> >> goal of a common component model in Python, blessed and encourage
Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
[...]
>>Just the same, one can use IronPython to call components written in
>>other languages. And, I believe, vice versa.
>
>
> Sure, as I can do it in jython. But the key point is: can your ordinary
> python-object be published as a component? At least for jython I can
>
Edward Diener No Spam wrote:
>
> In the typical RAD development environment, a particular component model
> allows one to drop components, which are classes corresponding to a
> particular inner representation which tells the development environment
> what are the "properties" and "events" of that
>> Nope. Things like CORBA and COM do have that property, but e.g. the Java
>> beans spec has only a meaning inside the VM. Not sure about .NET, but I
>> can imagine there it's the same thing.
>>
> Well the .NET component model is specifically designed to be
> cross-language, but that's a feature
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
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Python itself is a RAD tool.
+1 QOTW
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