[osol-discuss] Re: Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-14 Thread Sunil
> The above quoting is all I can see of your problem. > > I have no idea how to try to help. > > (web fora are not useful discussion tools.) > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > you mean you can't see all th

Re: [osol-discuss] freedesktop.org architecture/requirements

2005-07-14 Thread Stefan Teleman
On 7/14/05, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, > Absolutely - couldn't agree more. From a JDS point of view, we're very > aware of the discussions going on, although we may not have been the > most active or vocal over the last couple of months. > > We've got a team going inside Sun to

Re: [osol-discuss] Long Options

2005-07-14 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Bill Sommerfeld wrote: 2) utilities should only be written (enhanced) to the long options part of the CLIP specification in "logical groups". (i.e., a group of related utilities should be consistent in their use or non-use of long options). Or in their use of other option syntaxes, like the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, John Martinez wrote: > > On Jul 14, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Sunil wrote: > > > have you considered providing gnu like long options and/or > > compatibility for star? it will be perfect if there was only one > > tar utility and all gnu programs with gnu options for /usr/bin/tar > > do

[osol-discuss] cdrecord-prodvd errors with xcdroast on OS

2005-07-14 Thread Sunil
I try to blank this dvd+rw created in XP and it refused to blank it with these errors: -- scsidev: '2,1,0' scsibus: 2 target: 1 lun: 0 Warning: Using USCSI interface. Warning: Volume management is running, medialess managed drives are invisible. SCSI buffer size: 57344 Cdrecord-Pro

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-14 Thread Dan Mick
Sunil wrote: Ok, I ruled out the fat32 by moving the distfiles to "/". I get the same symptoms still. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org The above quoting is all I can see

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Jake Hamby
Jörg Schilling wrote: > The main features of GNU tar is compliance problems. > I recommend to avoid GNU tar whereever possible. > > You cannot replace /usr/bin/tar with a program that > does not implement > the features os /usr/bin/tar without creating hard to > track down problems. You're righ

Re: [osol-discuss] Long Options (was: Solaris vs. Linux)

2005-07-14 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 20:40, John Martinez wrote: > Am I the only one that doesn't like the --something-or-other options > of GNU related software? Please don't do this to Solaris! A couple years ago we had a very long, very painful discussion about this topic under the name of "CLIP". Opinions

Re: [osol-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread Stefan Teleman
i will openly admit: i have a strong bias towards the Sun compilers, and i am not ashamed. :-) for a very simple reason: they generate faster code, both on UltraSPARC and on AMD, especially SunStudio 10. and they track the language Standard much more closely, and they force you to write portable co

[osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-14 Thread Sunil
Ok, I ruled out the fat32 by moving the distfiles to "/". I get the same symptoms still. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] freedesktop.org architecture/requirements

2005-07-14 Thread Stefan Teleman
On 7/14/05, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, > Absolutely - couldn't agree more. From a JDS point of view, we're very > aware of the discussions going on, although we may not have been the > most active or vocal over the last couple of months. > > We've got a team going inside Sun to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Theo Schlossnagle
On Jul 14, 2005, at 9:51 PM, Rich Teer wrote: John wrote: Am I the only one that doesn't like the --something-or-other options of GNU related software? Please don't do this to Solaris! No, you're not alone! What's worse than adding double hyphened long options? Also require no hyphen

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Sunil
thanks shawn! yes, all the options worth supporting (and which create problems with sun's /usr/sbin/tar) are already there. Now only if there are aliases for "-bz" -> "-j", "-o" -> "--no-same-owner". I think this program is perfect. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Rich Teer
John wrote: > Am I the only one that doesn't like the --something-or-other options > of GNU related software? Please don't do this to Solaris! No, you're not alone! -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group

Re: [osol-discuss] freedesktop.org architecture/requirements

2005-07-14 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/14/05, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So we probably need to think what infrastructure we can share, and what > > it makes sense to split out. For example, I think there's a huge amount > > of value in having a [EMAIL PROTECTED], but may make sense > > to have jds/gnome-discuss an

Re: [osol-discuss] freedesktop.org architecture/requirements

2005-07-14 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/14/05, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Last time i built DBUS (about 9 months ago or so), it sort of worked, > > emphasis on "sort of". AFACS, HAL is in a pretty incipient stage, and, > > to my knowledge, there's been very little (if any) Solaris work done. > > there's a big empty

Re: [osol-discuss] freedesktop.org architecture/requirements

2005-07-14 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, > So we probably need to think what infrastructure we can share, and what > it makes sense to split out. For example, I think there's a huge amount > of value in having a [EMAIL PROTECTED], but may make sense > to have jds/gnome-discuss and kde-discuss. Point being, I'd much rather see us a

Re: [osol-discuss] freedesktop.org architecture/requirements

2005-07-14 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, > http://www.freedesktop.org/ > > They are trying to define and implement a common infrastructure for > UNIX desktops (DBUS and HAL are just some of them, there's an entire > list there). > > How about we start looking at this, because both GNOME and KDE4 will > implement this architecture

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Sunil
> Am I the only one that doesn't like the > --something-or-other options > of GNU related software? Please don't do this to > Solaris! I am going to flip here...nobody is doing this to Solaris, but to distros that come out of OS...:) This message posted from opensolaris.org _

[osol-discuss] freedesktop.org architecture/requirements

2005-07-14 Thread Stefan Teleman
Hi. http://www.freedesktop.org/ They are trying to define and implement a common infrastructure for UNIX desktops (DBUS and HAL are just some of them, there's an entire list there). How about we start looking at this, because both GNOME and KDE4 will implement this architecture (or so it is plan

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/14/05, Sunil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > have you considered providing gnu like long options and/or compatibility for > star? it will be perfect if there was only one tar utility and all gnu > programs with gnu options for /usr/bin/tar don't just die on solaris. > > I can try doing this ma

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread John Martinez
On Jul 14, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Sunil wrote: have you considered providing gnu like long options and/or compatibility for star? it will be perfect if there was only one tar utility and all gnu programs with gnu options for /usr/bin/tar don't just die on solaris. I can try doing this mapping

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Sunil
have you considered providing gnu like long options and/or compatibility for star? it will be perfect if there was only one tar utility and all gnu programs with gnu options for /usr/bin/tar don't just die on solaris. I can try doing this mapping if you point me to source of star. This message p

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/14/05, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/14/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The main features of GNU tar is compliance problems. > > I recommend to avoid GNU tar whereever possible. > > > > You cannot replace /usr/bin/tar with a program that does not implement >

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 01:39:13AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > It seems that there are two basic "reasons": > > - Sun CC as well as GNU CC heavily use built in functions > for floating point support. Of course these builtins are > incompatible :-( Some of these are for C99 s

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/14/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main features of GNU tar is compliance problems. > I recommend to avoid GNU tar whereever possible. > > You cannot replace /usr/bin/tar with a program that does not implement > the features os /usr/bin/tar without creating hard to track

Re: [osol-discuss] Addressing the base-library problem (Was: Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?)

2005-07-14 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/14/05, Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shawn wrote: > > ... I see a similar trend in Linux attempting to be birthed even now: > > http://www.componentizedlinux.org/. The idea of a similar project > > being birthed for OpenSolaris is an exciting thing to me... > > I second that, bi

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jake Hamby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another symlink that we might discuss changing is /usr/bin/tar to point to > /usr/sfw/bin/gtar instead of /usr/sbin/tar. The main feature of GNU tar not > present in Solaris tar is built-in support for .tar.gz and .tar.bz2 archives > using the -z and -j

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Seongbae Park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > >It is currently impossible to create a 100% Sun compatible libm. > > Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why? > > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > libm not only depends on ANSI C-99 but on undocumented hidden > > behavior

[osol-discuss] Addressing the base-library problem (Was: Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?)

2005-07-14 Thread Eric Boutilier
In recent messages, James Dickens and Shawn Walker wrote about the need to cooperatively create a standards base that all groups can agree on and can build on. Shawn wrote: > ... I see a similar trend in Linux attempting to be birthed even now: > http://www.componentizedlinux.org/. The idea of a s

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Please give a full reference. > > > > POSIX. > > That isn't a full reference with version number, but it was enough > to get me started. http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/make.html > > Well in contraty to GNU make, Sun make

[osol-discuss] ARCitecture of things like the Companion CD...

2005-07-14 Thread John Plocher
Mainly, it as to do with availability of libraries/headers on Solaris This might be a good time to kick off an "ARC-like" discussion of how sharable things - such as reusable FOSS components - *should* be structured to allow for maximal reuse at minimal effort and risk. It is also a good time

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 03:26:17PM -0700, Jake Hamby wrote: > are enabled). While you may argue that Linux developers are at > fault for using bash-specific features in their scripts, it's like I wouldn't argue it, because it's a fact. It's fine for Linux to assume GNU features in /bin/sh. It'

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Jake Hamby
Danek Duvall wrote: > > I vote for changing the default shell to a better > one. > > Ah, but then the question is, which one. You might > choose ksh over bash > for various reasons, others might prefer tcsh, and > some of us know that zsh > is the One True Shell. If nothing else, the bourne > s

Re: [osol-discuss] Articles

2005-07-14 Thread Virginia Wray
I agree with Shawn's observation that documentation should live wherever it is useful. I may not have been clear about that in my initial suggestion. I just think it would also be good to have a location where people can go and scan an index of all of the documenatation on the site. As I've tho

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 access internet problem

2005-07-14 Thread Tao Chen
1. Is 'synsys' in /etc/nodename and /etc/hosts mis-typed ? Should be 'sunsys', right? 2. Post 'ifconfig -a' output 3. Can you ping your router and DNS IP?    ping 192.168.0.1    ping 205.252.144.126 4. Any other machine with different OS on the same network that is able to access internet?    If

[osol-discuss] Solaris 10 access internet problem

2005-07-14 Thread roland
I have the following configuration and files setting, but cannot access internet Anyone can help me to solve? Server Name = sunsys Domain Name = home.com TCP/IP address = 192.168.0.3 Router IP = 192.168.0.1 IP Range = 192.168.0.2 至 192.168.0.51 DNS IP = 205.252.144.126, 205.252.144.118 under /etc

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Seongbae Park
Joerg Schilling wrote: It is currently impossible to create a 100% Sun compatible libm. Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why? Joerg Schilling wrote: libm not only depends on ANSI C-99 but on undocumented hidden behavior of Studio 10. Can you report them to us (via some wiki p

[osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-14 Thread Sunil
I got hold of iosnoop and invoked it with -v right after I started the song and invoked untar of mozilla. There was a time I noted when ogg123 hung for nearly 5 seconds by simply using date commands. I took that timestamp and grepped in iosnoop log. Here is a snippet of iosnoop output around tha

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Stephen Lau
Joerg Schilling wrote: It looks like to did not understand the problem. SchilliX is already more than OpenSolaris, but the problem is SX. If the test machines are installed with SX, they have too much software installed in order to make expressive tests for OpenSolaris. Tests that are only ba

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris on Laptops Article

2005-07-14 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 14 July 2005 12:38, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: > I just bought a Turion based laptop, HP ze2000e. Will try to install > Solaris sometime next week. Has anyone had any experience with this > machine? Any info will be greatly appreciated. Should work, I would definitely get the latest buil

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 13:21, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 12:29, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > Smake warns about all illegal Makefile content. If you dowmload the latest > > > > illegal according to which standard document and versi

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-14 Thread Jim Walker
Joerg Schilling wrote: Jim Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The build/test farm would be available to OpenSolaris developers, and will provide access to various high-end and low-end Sparc, x64 and other hardware platforms. We plan on making it better than what's currently available elsewhere,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 12:29, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Smake warns about all illegal Makefile content. If you dowmload the latest > > illegal according to which standard document and version ? > > Please give a full reference. POSIX. Well in contraty

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread James Dickens
On 7/14/05, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/14/05, ken mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> James,>> A good point you helped bring up is the repository of> the source code for Solaris/OpenSolaris in which all > of the package maintainers can share - instead of> everyone (i.e. the Solaris/

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread Darren J Moffat
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 12:29, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Smake warns about all illegal Makefile content. If you dowmload the latest illegal according to which standard document and version ? Please give a full reference. -- Darren J Moffat ___ opensolar

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: AMD developer's survey

2005-07-14 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Sales of AMD's Opteron chips increased by a whopping 90%: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24624 Sr. Scott made a big bet on the Opteron chips b/4 Opteron was cool. Looks like his company may get handsomely rewarded. Let's hope JDS on Solaris will have the same kind of success on the Turio

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/14/05, ken mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James, > > A good point you helped bring up is the repository of > the source code for Solaris/OpenSolaris in which all > of the package maintainers can share - instead of > everyone (i.e. the Solaris/OpenSolaris package > providers) having their o

[osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread James Dickens
On 7/14/05, ken mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- James Dickens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On 7/14/05, ken mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > >> >> > --- Joerg Schilling> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote:> >> > >> > > I hope that this short review will help to > > > understand the problems of us>

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-14 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/14/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think I understand somewhat, but only because of assumptions. The > > thing is, you already know all of the problems, so wouldn't it be > > better for the community if you posted what they where s

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 09:36:25PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > It is currently impossible to create a 100% Sun compatible libm. > > Why? libm not only depends on ANSI C-99 but on undocumented hidden behavior of Studio 10. Even if all issues

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I had to make a guess, the points below point out what problems you > are having: > > * Specific hardware or device support is only available on Solaris > Express, and not yet available to OpenSolaris I would need to test on different HW too for this r

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris on Laptops Article

2005-07-14 Thread Casper . Dik
>http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=1194&tstart=0 > >it seems that I probably should try the newest nevada build. However, since I >don't expect the bu ilt-in NIC to work with Solaris, will this still be a recommended option? (I.e., does the nevada b uild include JDS and lang

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 09:36:25PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > It is currently impossible to create a 100% Sun compatible libm. Why? -- Keith M Wesolowski "Sir, we're surrounded!" Solaris Kernel Team "Excellent; we can attack in any direction!" ___

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris on Laptops Article

2005-07-14 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I just bought a Turion based laptop, HP ze2000e. Will try to install Solaris sometime next week. Has anyone had any experience with this machine? Any info will be greatly appreciated. Based on comments provided in another thread: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=1194&

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 08:37:06PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > If you install SchilliX on a previously empty box, you get a useable > > system. If you allow me to remove all files that are not part of > > OpenSolaris, it will turn your box i

[osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread ken mays
--- James Dickens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/14/05, ken mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Joerg Schilling > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope that this short review will help to > > > understand the problems of us > > > OpenSolaris developers. > >

[osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
James Dickens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am publishing more and more compilable packages that allow to > > auto-create > > tar archives with binaries that may be installed. I am currently expecting > > to be ready to publish all sources for SchilliX-0.3. > > > > So we should put on the list

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-14 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/14/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If they don't understand the problems of OpenSolaris, you may be true, > but this is an OpenSolaris discussion list and for this reason, > all people in this are interested to support OpenSolaris. I was not suggesting otherwise. > If you ha

[osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread James Dickens
On 7/14/05, ken mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>> I hope that this short review will help to> understand the problems of us > OpenSolaris developers.>> Jörg1. Standard Naming convention for community builtpackages.2. Directory for those packages.3. Agre

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 08:37:06PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > If you install SchilliX on a previously empty box, you get a useable > system. If you allow me to remove all files that are not part of > OpenSolaris, it will turn your box into a door stopper. Are you claiming that it needs to b

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/14/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you put Solaris Express on the test machines, there is zero help > > for OpenSolaris from the test machines. > > I think many are puzzled by this statement, since Solaris Express is If they don

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 07:39:32PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > SchilliX is already more than OpenSolaris, but the problem is SX. If > the test machines are installed with SX, they have too much software > installed in order to make expressive tests for OpenSolaris. > > Tests that are only base

[osol-discuss] Re: [blastware-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread James Dickens
On 7/14/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joost van Baal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Blastwave> > Pkgsrc> > SchillyX> > SunFreeware> > Sun > >> > Currently all each group has to download and port each package they> > distribute; there is no sharing of code. All 4 groups strive to hav

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-14 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/14/05, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you put Solaris Express on the test machines, there is zero help > for OpenSolaris from the test machines. I think many are puzzled by this statement, since Solaris Express is based off the OpenSolaris sources. So other than some librarie

Re: [osol-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 7/14/05, Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 11:47:26AM -0500, James Dickens wrote: > > > easy to symlink from a community location even if you have to have one > > version for packages compiled with gcc and another that are compiled with > > Sun Studio, 2 is

Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal: OpenSolaris User Group Community

2005-07-14 Thread Jim Grisanzio
fhi ... I got some feedback on this proposal on list, off list, and on my blog. Thanks. We'll open this community next week and see where it goes. Jim Jim Grisanzio wrote: Hey, guys. I'm getting a lot of calls regarding user groups, and some user groups are already starting to crop up out th

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jasse Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It looks like to did not understand the problem. > > > > SchilliX is already more than OpenSolaris, but the problem is SX. > > If the test > > machines are installed with SX, they have too much software > > installed in order > > to make expressive

Re: [osol-discuss] SX versions

2005-07-14 Thread Derek Cicero
Peter C. Tribble wrote: Dragan Cvetkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Well, apparently is SE with nv18 already out. Downloaded this morning and installed. I've just looked and I can't see anything newer than build 16. How are you getting to later builds? There was a a bit of confusion on m

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 04:55:31PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > Please think about a way that would help SchilliX. > > Even if your suggestion below were correct (which I doubt, considering > the kind of test infrastructure we have internally

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Jasse Jansson
On Jul 14, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blastwave has all of their own set of libraries, and Sun has many of their own in /usr/sfw even, Sunfreeware has their own, pkgsrc has theirs, and I imagine that gentoo/portaris has their own also.

Re: [osol-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 11:47:26AM -0500, James Dickens wrote: > easy to symlink from a community location even if you have to have one > version for packages compiled with gcc and another that are compiled with > Sun Studio, 2 is still better 4 or 8. This would only be the case for libraries

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-14 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 04:55:31PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Please think about a way that would help SchilliX. Even if your suggestion below were correct (which I doubt, considering the kind of test infrastructure we have internally today), I would suggest that giving developers the abilit

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Blastwave has all of their own set of libraries, and Sun has many of > > > their own in /usr/sfw even, Sunfreeware has their own, pkgsrc has theirs, > > > and I imagine that gentoo/portaris has their own also... > > > > With OpenSolaris, there may be mo

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris for Thinkpad T22, how do I do it?

2005-07-14 Thread Casper . Dik
>I'll try build 18. Is there anyone who is using Solaris now in a Thinkpad, >and knows whether the suspend modes work? Both to disk and to memory? With some tweaking or out-of-the-box? No, suspend does not work; while it's one of the things high on the power team's list, there are other x8

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 14 July 2005 07:27 am, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Originally, before Solaris turned into OpenSolaris, and when Sun was > > adding to the Companion CD, the idea some in the community had was to > > build upon it so we didn't duplicate and add what

[osol-discuss] Re: Solaris for Thinkpad T22, how do I do it?

2005-07-14 Thread Kimmo Sundqvist
I'll try build 18. Is there anyone who is using Solaris now in a Thinkpad, and knows whether the suspend modes work? Both to disk and to memory? With some tweaking or out-of-the-box? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss ma

[osol-discuss] Can Solaris/OpenSolaris do what Linux has failed to do?

2005-07-14 Thread James Dickens
There are basically 6 providers for Open Source software for OpenSolaris/Solaris, from here on referred to as Solaris, Blastwave Pkgsrc SchillyX SunFreeware Sun Currently all each group has to download and port each package they distribute; there is no sharing of code. All 4 gr

Re: [osol-discuss] Links Page

2005-07-14 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Jim Grisanzio wrote: Dragan Cvetkovic wrote: On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Jim Grisanzio wrote: I updated the links page: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/links/ Jim, it's a bit confusing to have Blastwave entry listed twice with the same URL and the same title. Can the second on

RE: [osol-discuss] SX versions

2005-07-14 Thread Conor Svensson
I've always just copied Solaris Express Community release URL on the OpenSolaris downloads page & edited it from: http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&PartDetailId=S ol-Express_b16-x86-SP-G-B&TransactionId=try To: http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&Pa

[osol-discuss] SX versions

2005-07-14 Thread Peter C. Tribble
Dragan Cvetkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>>Well, apparently is SE with nv18 already out. Downloaded this morning and >>>installed. I've just looked and I can't see anything newer than build 16. How are you getting to later builds? -Peter Tribble MRC Rosalind Franklin Centre for Genomics Resea

Re: [osol-discuss] Links Page

2005-07-14 Thread Jim Grisanzio
One is Blast"wave" and the other is Blast"ware" but I agree. They are very similar to the eye. Only one letter, actually. I'll change it. Thanks Jim Dragan Cvetkovic wrote: On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Jim Grisanzio wrote: I updated the links page: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/links/ Jim, it'

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris for Thinkpad T22, how do I do it?

2005-07-14 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd go for the latest Solaris Nevada builds (they just a tad more recent than Solaris express, w/ 16 vs 18) Well, apparently is SE with nv18 already out. Downloaded this morning and installed. lokrum% cat /etc/release

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris for Thinkpad T22, how do I do it?

2005-07-14 Thread Casper . Dik
>I have bought a Thinkpad T22 some time ago. It now runs Ubuntu linux, and >I've not been able to c onfigure suspend to RAM or suspend to disk. > >It has half of its 20GB HD for Ubuntu, and the other half is free. I'm >wondering if I should inst all Solaris x86 into it. But should I go with t

[osol-discuss] Solaris for Thinkpad T22, how do I do it?

2005-07-14 Thread Kimmo Sundqvist
Hello I have bought a Thinkpad T22 some time ago. It now runs Ubuntu linux, and I've not been able to configure suspend to RAM or suspend to disk. It has half of its 20GB HD for Ubuntu, and the other half is free. I'm wondering if I should install Solaris x86 into it. But should I go with th

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The real solution is not in offering up a software service but in > developing a "grand unified software software" service that can act as > a non-OS open source software base of operations for the OpenSolaris > project. There is no reason that this can

Re: [osol-discuss] developing free software for OpenSolaris

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jim Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The build/test farm would be available to OpenSolaris developers, and will > provide access to various high-end and low-end Sparc, x64 and other > hardware platforms. We plan on making it better than what's currently > available elsewhere, with help from the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Solaris vs. Linux

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josip Gracin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your complaint would probably be more suited for Sun's Solaris support > department. Once the community creates a fully-fledged > OpenSolaris-based distribution, then we can all discuss whether /bin/sh > is linked to /bin/bash. I am not sure what you u

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jürgen Keil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I get terrible performance problems > > some of the times(reported here in a separate thread > > but didn't get much response from people, so assuming > > that everyone > > everyone? > Or noone? > > > is a getting a jittery USB mouse and skipping in xmm

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris World Wide!

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ben Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And for the rest of us... http://www.lat-long.com/ Did I miss something? I find only US-local entries. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [osol-discuss] KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Originally, before Solaris turned into OpenSolaris, and when Sun was adding > to > the Companion CD, the idea some in the community had was to build upon it so > we didn't duplicate and add what was not there in hopes that it would > eventually move int

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: KDE 3.4.1: a small proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stefan Teleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > libxml2 and libxslt might be a little bit more problematic though. I > > know as a JDS team we're pretty much over the barrel with whatever > > version of the libraries that GNOME requires - and while Daniel Veillard > > tries to stand by the ABI a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RE: Re: Solaris on Laptops Article

2005-07-14 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: The same bug report also stated that: This message posted from opensolaris.org Ouch. Can we change the bug report please: s/effected/affected/ ? Bye, Dragan -- Dragan Cvetkovic, To be or not to be is true. G. BooleNo it isn't. L. E. J. Bro

Re: [osol-discuss] Links Page

2005-07-14 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Jim Grisanzio wrote: I updated the links page: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/links/ Jim, it's a bit confusing to have Blastwave entry listed twice with the same URL and the same title. Can the second one be changed to "Blastwave for PPC", or "Solaris for PPC effort" or

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Articles

2005-07-14 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Susan Weber wrote: Exactly. I think we see the value of having documentation exist throughout the OpenSolaris site. We want to try to provide a more user-friendly experience by pulling it all together in someone so that it is more navigatable. We may want to present gui

[osol-discuss] Re: opensolaris and portage - two roadblocks and a rant...:)

2005-07-14 Thread Jürgen Keil
> cpu > us sy wt id > 1 2 0 97 cpu statistic looks ok, that doesn't look like the kernel doing PIO mode disk transfers. > extended device statistics > r/sw/s kr/s kw/s wait actv wsvc_t asvc_t %w %b device > 0.5 320.30.8 722.4 1350.3 2.0 4209.3 6.2 100 100 c1d0 Intere

[osol-discuss] Re: RE: Re: Solaris on Laptops Article

2005-07-14 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
The same bug report also stated that: This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris on Laptops Article

2005-07-14 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 14 July 2005 12:21 am, Conor Svensson wrote: > Would any of these laptops turning up be Acer Aspire 5020 series? > (http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6293571) No, not yet. All the ones I know about are Acer Ferrari 4000s. There's another vendor coming to marke

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris on Laptops Article

2005-07-14 Thread Jasse Jansson
On Jul 14, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Conor Svensson wrote: Would any of these laptops turning up be Acer Aspire 5020 series? (http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6293571) I found this line a bit down in the text: Tested on Acer Aspire 5024wlmi (Note: v. similar spec to Acer F

RE: [osol-discuss] Re: Solaris on Laptops Article

2005-07-14 Thread Conor Svensson
Would any of these laptops turning up be Acer Aspire 5020 series? (http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6293571) Conor -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan DuBoff Sent: 14 July 2005 07:36 To: Richard Elling; opensol

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