Whats going on at Cogent

Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account people at Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over there internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap but in the past their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems to have g

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

I am glad I'm not the only one. I've noticed similar. Just when I get used to one rep it seems I have a new one. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 6:04 AM Ryan Gelobter wrote: > Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account > people at Cogent the last few months? Is there something go

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

I think I noticed this actually start a bit longer than that. Around the time they started charging for BGP sessions and IP blocks on existing customers. So at least a year but I think closer to two years ago. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 6:22 AM John Hurley wrote: > I am glad I'm not the only one. I'v

SAFNOG-4/EANOG/tzNOG: Thank You & Survey

Hello all. On behalf of the SAFNOG Management Committee, EANOG and tzNOG, I'd like to extend my sincere thanks to all of you that attended this year's meeting in Dar Es Salaam, physically and remotely. To our host (TISPA), our sponsors, our speakers and of course, you, our delegates, that support

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he has no ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue so we’re slowly removing circuits, but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been stable. From: NANOG on behalf of Ryan Gelobter Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

That's *ALWAYS* been my experience with Cogent. *cue e-mail from Cogent rep* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Ryan Gelobter" To: "NANOG" Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 20

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard wrote: > Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he has no > ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue so we’re slowly removing circuits, > but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been stable. > > > Yep, this. W

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

They call me every few months. the last time they emailed me I said I wasn't interested because of the HE issue. I have yet to get another email... On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ca By wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard < > dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote: > >

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the lovely cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a different provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my traffic from there. About the staff rotation I’ve seen it too, and I’ve also s

Re: NAT on a Trident/Qumran(/or other?) equipped whitebox?

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 10:07, wrote: > > Interesting, but isn’t stateful tracking once again just swapping, but in > this case port 123 in port 32123 out? > > So none of the chips you named below support swapping parts of L4 header and > that part is actually done with SW assistance please? > >

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

I don't really get the Cogent/Google peering issues. I've been hearing this for years... How about fixing it already? Telling customer to get other transit providers to get to a given network is really bad. On a side note, HE is still HE but they're trying really hard to be a good netcitizen. T

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

We have been very happy with HE. It was a no brainer over cogent. They are smaller (so are we). When there are issues they are real fast to fix them, you also get the personal touch which you don't get with others. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Eric Dugas wrote: > I don't really get the Cog

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

HE is happy to peer with Cogent and would love to solve this issue. Thanks Walt From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>> on behalf of DaKnOb mailto:daknob@gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 7:04 AM To: Dovid Bender mailto:do...@telecurve.com>> Cc: NANOG mailto:nanog@nanog.or

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

I'm in the process of turning up a Cogent circuit in Cologix (Columbus) and hope to be finished in the next week or so. So far my experience has been great. The only thing I didn't like was the monthly sales call asking me to sign the contract, reminding me they are available. Josh Luthman Offi

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

> On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Walt wrote: > > HE is happy to peer with Cogent and would love to solve this issue. > > Thanks > As someone who really depends upon full internet access I can’t purchase from either supplier due to this. This mirrors what Ca By said, need a place where the

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

Yeah google is the issue for us. We provide web services and a LOT of our customers have software that is making calls of various types to Google services, or even just email delivery to Google hosted email; if all but a Cogent transit link to a given data center were down, all of those custome

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

That’s also true.. If you have a 10G connection between two DCs, and they can’t hash the traffic, you can only use 1/4th or 1/5th of the connection. Basically it is 10G but only 2G per flow. If you get transit at both places and then use a tunnel, which is a different service and may not satisfy

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

at 11:34 AM, DaKnOb wrote: I guess people really don’t like Cogent judging by the fact that one unrelated email caused all this to happen again.. :-) Cogent have more pain points on average but they’re still the best option for getting to other Cogent customers. It’s not really hard to de

Re: NAT on a Trident/Qumran(/or other?) equipped whitebox?

On 10/16/18 10:05 AM, James Bensley wrote: NAT/PAT is an N:1 swapping (map) though so a state/translation table is required to correctly "swap" back the return traffic. MPLS for example is 1:1 mapping/action. NAT/PAT state tables tend to fill quickly so to aid with this we also have timers to tim

Re: NAT on a Trident/Qumran(/or other?) equipped whitebox?

On 10/16/18 08:55, Brandon Martin wrote: > On 10/16/18 10:05 AM, James Bensley wrote: >> NAT/PAT is an N:1 swapping (map) though so a state/translation table >> is required to correctly "swap" back the return traffic. MPLS for >> example is 1:1 mapping/action. NAT/PAT state tables tend to fill >> q

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

Agreed. A couple IXes, Cogent, HE, and a couple others. Add more IXes and others as needed. Eyeballs should be fine with the above. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Daniel

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

--- rjo...@centergate.com wrote: From: Rodney Joffe At NANOG two weeks ago, we had an interesting discussion at one of the lunch tables. One of the subjects we discussed was the original IANA, and RFC Editor, Jon Postel. Seven of the ten people at the table had never heard of him. Maybe th

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

at 1:11 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: Wow, was it a table of folks new to network engineering? If so, then schooling; if not, then clue bat... :-) scott The one thing I remember about Postel, other than the fact that he had his fingers in a lot of DNS pies, is be liberal about what you accept,

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 02:01:48PM -0400, Daniel Corbe wrote: > The one thing I remember about Postel, other than the fact that he had his > fingers in a lot of DNS pies, is be liberal about what you accept, be > conservative about what you send. It’s a notion that creates undo burden > on t

Re: Hurricane Michael: Communication Service Provider status

26 fatalities reported so far, 4 hospitals closed. Telecommunications: FCC Chairman Pai and Florida Governor Scott issued loud complaints about the speed of restoration of cell sites and telecommunications after Hurricane Michael. This seems to be an over-reaction to the lack of action aft

Re: Hurricane Michael: Communication Service Provider status

Gosh, I can predict the future (by minutes). Verizon has issued a statement. It will automatically issue 3 months of mobile service credits for each consumer and business line in the affected areas (Bay and Gulf counties). I predict similar statements from the other major carriers shortly

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

As an eyeball network operator, Cogent has served me well for several years, I can say that they are probably the easiest and most relaxed and most accessible to work with from my experience compared to my other providers, I’m comparing to 3 other well-known providers It seems like when I call

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

Speaking of Cogent service (and I know you guys are watching), I'd love to get someone's help off-list turning up a p2p that has been moved to billing despite being told loud and clear it doesn't work. I half-expected it to not work when I found out there was a type 2 provider involved, but I defin

Re: NAT on a Trident/Qumran(/or other?) equipped whitebox?

The problem asking whether this can be done "at line rate" in a specific switch platform ignores these critical measurements: - what's the packet rate expected for the nat flows? - will the control plane add a forwarding plane rule for every new session? if so, how quickly can that rule be pushed t

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

Oh how funny I’m working on a billing issue with them for a circuit they turned up but didn’t connect to the MMR for 2 months... -Ben > On Oct 16, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Matt Erculiani wrote: > > Speaking of Cogent service (and I know you guys are watching), I'd love > to get someone's help off-li

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

Oh that's disturbing . We just signed up a few months ago for a circuit at an MMR and are still waiting for delivery. Matt. On 17/10/18 10:23 am, Ben Cannon wrote: Oh how funny I’m working on a billing issue with them for a circuit they turned up but didn’t connect to the MMR for 2 months...

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

Well, simply put, the idea is that you should be able to compensate for a certain amount of deviation from accepted usage as long as its still within what the protocol allows (or can be read to allow) but that you yourself should act with a fairly strict interpretation. In others, don't be the one

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

But their support daily. They blamed the DC, our suite, the MMR, all in that order. Don’t let them, it was Mia-parched at their core router... -Ben > On Oct 16, 2018, at 4:51 PM, Matt Perkins wrote: > > Oh that's disturbing . We just signed up a few months ago for a circuit at an > MMR and ar

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

On Oct 16, 2018, at 4:57 PM, Wayne Bouchard wrote: > Well, simply put, the idea is that you should be able to compensate > for a certain amount of deviation from accepted usage as long as its > still within what the protocol allows (or can be read to allow) but > that you yourself should act with

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

* aar...@gvtc.com (Aaron1) [Wed 17 Oct 2018, 00:17 CEST]: However Cogent seems to be the dirtiest in regards to DDOS... however Telia might be catching up... in times past when I receive volumetric DDOS, Cogent typically ranks with the highest on my providers ... AT&T and spectrum seem to be a

Re: Whats going on at Cogent

Or he's saying that cogent has the biggest network of compromised users. Usually ipv4 only eyeball networks tend to have the most bots on net. On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 19:22, Niels Bakker wrote: > * aar...@gvtc.com (Aaron1) [Wed 17 Oct 2018, 00:17 CEST]: > >However Cogent seems to be the dirtiest

Youtube Outage

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Re: Youtube Outage

You beat my email by seconds. Yes, it is widespread. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Kenneth McRae via NANOG wrote: > Is this widespread? >

Re: Youtube Outage

Tmobile, and syringa no youtube On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 19:42, Kenneth McRae via NANOG wrote: > Is this widespread? >

Re: Youtube Outage

Same issue for me in Vancouver. My direct peering in Germany has the same issue. Thanks ~ Bryce Wilson, AS202313 > On Oct 16, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Ross Tajvar wrote: > > You beat my email by seconds. Yes, it is widespread. > >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Kenneth McRae via NANOG >> wrote:

Re: Youtube Outage

Reports (and humor) are flooding twitter. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:44 PM Ross Tajvar wrote: > > You beat my email by seconds. Yes, it is widespread. > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Kenneth McRae via NANOG > wrote: >> >> Is this widespread? > >

Re: Youtube Outage

Same in Montreal. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:52 PM Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Reports (and humor) are flooding twitter. > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:44 PM Ross Tajvar wrote: > > > > You beat my email by seconds. Yes, it is widespread. > > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Kenneth McRae via NANO

RE: Youtube Outage

Australia too…. From: NANOG On Behalf Of Oliver O'Boyle Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 1:08 PM To: marshall.euba...@gmail.com Cc: North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: Youtube Outage Same in Montreal. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:52 PM Marshall Eubanks mailto:marshall.euba...@g

Re: Youtube Outage

The reports I've seen showing it as a worldwide outage. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:14 PM Nathan Brookfield < nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> wrote: > Australia too…. > > > > *From:* NANOG *On Behalf Of *Oliver O'Boyle > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2018 1:08 PM > *To:* marshall.euba...@gma

Re: Youtube Outage

Nothing on the homepage but search is working. (boston) On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:17 PM Charles Mills wrote: > The reports I've seen showing it as a worldwide outage. > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:14 PM Nathan Brookfield < > nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> wrote: > >> Australia too…. >> >>

RE: Youtube Outage

Oh yeah, hitting me hard in South Central Texas... no youtube videos at all for my customers. -Aaron From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ross Tajvar Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:43 PM To: Kenneth McRae Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Youtube Outage You beat my email b

Re: Youtube Outage

I think it's clear they're having problems worldwide - could we maybe refrain from the "me too"s unless someone has insight on what the problem is? On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 10:21 PM Jason Kuehl wrote: > Nothing on the homepage but search is working. (boston) > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:17 PM Cha

RE: Youtube Outage

Well at least the BGP looks good this time and it's not being sent to Pakistan. -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Kenneth McRae via NANOG Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:40 PM To: NANOG Subject: Youtube Outage Is this widespread? This communic

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

What it's trying to say is that you have control over your own code but not others', in general. So make your own code (etc) robust and forgiving since you can't edit others' code to conform to your own understanding of what they should be sending you. I suppose that pre-dates github but noneth

Re: Youtube Outage

Confirmed outage in Windsor CA -Ben > On Oct 16, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > > The reports I've seen showing it as a worldwide outage. > >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:14 PM Nathan Brookfield >> wrote: >> Australia too…. >> >> >> >> From: NANOG On Behalf Of Oliver O'Boyle

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

I believe that the IETF party line these days is that Postel was wrong on this point. Security is one consideration, but there are others. Mike On 10/16/2018 07:18 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote: What it's trying to say is that you have control over your own code but not others', in general. So

Re: Youtube Outage

Should be coming back online On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:35 PM Ben Cannon wrote: > Confirmed outage in Windsor CA > > -Ben > > On Oct 16, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > > The reports I've seen showing it as a worldwide outage. > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:14 PM Nathan Brookfield < > n

Re: Youtube Outage

I concur, all of my systems have it as back up. Thanks ~ Bryce Wilson, AS202313 > On Oct 16, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Ishmael Rufus wrote: > > Should be coming back online > >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:35 PM Ben Cannon wrote: >> Confirmed outage in Windsor CA >> >> -Ben >> >>> On Oct 16, 2018, at

RE: Youtube Outage

Back up in south central texas -Aaron From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+aaron1=gvtc@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Bryce Wilson Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 9:42 PM To: Ishmael Rufus Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Youtube Outage I concur, all of my systems have it as back up. Thanks ~ Bryce W

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

On October 16, 2018 at 19:35 m...@mtcc.com (Michael Thomas) wrote: > I believe that the IETF party line these days is that Postel was wrong > on this point. Security is one consideration, but there are others. Security fits into all this, being liberal in what you accept doesn't mean you do w

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 22:37 Michael Thomas wrote: > I believe that the IETF party line these days is that Postel was wrong > on this point. Security is one consideration, but there are others. > > Mike > I saw just a small swing of the pendulum toward the center, a nuanced meaning for "liberal".

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

On 10/16/2018 08:20 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote: On October 16, 2018 at 19:35 m...@mtcc.com (Michael Thomas) wrote: > I believe that the IETF party line these days is that Postel was wrong > on this point. Security is one consideration, but there are others. Security fits into all this, bein

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

On 10/16/2018 08:36 PM, Scott Brim wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 22:37 Michael Thomas > wrote: I believe that the IETF party line these days is that Postel was wrong on this point. Security is one consideration, but there are others. Mike I saw just a s

Re: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

On Tue, 16 Oct 2018, Michael Thomas wrote: I believe that the IETF party line these days is that Postel was wrong on this point. Security is one consideration, but there are others. Postel's Law is about robustness of network communications. As such it can *increase* network security by impr

RE: It's been 20 years today (Oct 16, UTC). Hard to believe.

>For example just because they sent you a seemingly malformed HTTP >request, and given that 4xx is for error codes, doesn't mean you >should return "420 You must be high!" and expect to be understood. Actually, you can, and the sender of the request MUST understand. The relevant part of the appl