Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 22, 2013, at 7:19 AM, Brandon Martin wrote: > On 06/22/2013 12:44 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: The forwarding hardware is generally going to be the limit, and that's going to be painful enough as we approach a half million prefixes. >>> >>> True. And that's why we must avoid

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread Brandon Martin
On 06/22/2013 12:44 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: The forwarding hardware is generally going to be the limit, and that's going to be painful enough as we approach a half million prefixes. True. And that's why we must avoid IPv6. This is not only wrong, it makes no sense whatsoever. So he

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread John Levine
> The forwarding hardware is generally going to be the limit, and >that's going to be painful enough as we approach a half million >prefixes. I would expect that we might finally see some pushback against networks that announce lots of disaggregated prefixes. The current CIDR report notes t

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-21 Thread Warren Bailey
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communica tions-nsa I suppose they really are tapping all of the fiber.. Huh? On 6/21/13 11:42 AM, "Phil Fagan" wrote: >I guess the moral here isdon't do anything "wrong." > >:-D > > >On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM, William

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread Owen DeLong
>> The forwarding hardware is generally going to be the limit, and >> that's going to be painful enough as we approach a half million >> prefixes. > > True. And that's why we must avoid IPv6. This is not only wrong, it makes no sense whatsoever. Owen

Re: Network diagnostics for the end user

2013-06-21 Thread Carlos M. Martinez
May sound silly, but in another life I faced a similar problem and by hosting local SpeedTest.net servers in our network we could fend off many of these calls. But I guess it will depend on your customers, whether they take it or not. cheers, ~Carlos On 6/20/13 9:45 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > A

Re: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread George Herbert
I know how we got here, but perhaps we can take corporate parentage and how big .com is now to -discuss? What happened with the registry data that caused the outage and what can / should be done about it / to prevent it happening again still seem to me to be operational topics. George Willia

Re: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread John Levine
In article <001a01ce6ef9$bf74d4a0$3e5e7de0$@iname.com> you write: >It's 120M if you add the .COM and the .NET's together, both of which NetSol >is responsible for. >http://www.verisigninc.com/en_US/products-and-services/domain-name-services/ >registry-products/tld-zone-access/index.xhtml In late b

RE: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread Frank Bulk
It's 120M if you add the .COM and the .NET's together, both of which NetSol is responsible for. http://www.verisigninc.com/en_US/products-and-services/domain-name-services/ registry-products/tld-zone-access/index.xhtml Frank -Original Message- From: Nicolai [mailto:nicolai-na...@chocolati

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread Michael McConnell
> >> The forwarding hardware is generally going to be the limit, and >> that's going to be painful enough as we approach a half million >> prefixes. > > True. And that's why we must avoid IPv6. > > Masataka Ohta > > Great comment. :D -- M

Need AT&T Contact

2013-06-21 Thread Meshier, Brent
AT&T screwed up the porting of our DIDs and we’re completely down, account rep has left for the weekend. Anyone have a contact? Brent Meshier ▪ Director Information Technology ▪ Amherst Holdings LLC 7801 North Capital of Texas Hwy ▪ Suite 300 ▪ Austin, TX 78731 512.342.3010 ▪ Fax 512.342.3097▪

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread Masataka Ohta
Majdi S. Abbas wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 01:56:02PM -0600, Michael McConnell wrote: >> As the IPv4 space get smaller and smaller, does anyone think we'll see >> a time when /25's will be accepted for global BGP prefix announcement. >> The current smallest size is a /24 and generally ok for

Yahoo Postmaster

2013-06-21 Thread Andy B.
If there is a YAHOO! Postmaster contact available, can you please contact me off list? I need to investigate a customer's "TS03" listing of a very large netblock (/16) and I'm afraid regular Yahoo! forms are leading me nowhere but frustration and no results. Thanks.

Re: Need help in flushing DNS

2013-06-21 Thread George Herbert
The indications and claim are that the root cause was registrar internal goof, not hostile action against name servers. The story is not yet detailed enough to add up; getting from point A to point B requires steps that so far don't really make sense. A more detailed explanation is hopefully to b

Re: Need help in flushing DNS

2013-06-21 Thread Paul Ferguson
Not sure of some of the underlying details of the mechanics right now. http://news.softpedia.com/news/LinkedIn-Outage-Caused-by-DDOS-Attack-on-Network-Solutions-362473.shtml - ferg On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Glen Kent wrote: > Hi, > > Do we know which DNS server started leaking the pois

Re: Need help in flushing DNS

2013-06-21 Thread Glen Kent
Hi, Do we know which DNS server started leaking the poisoned entry? Being new to this, i still dont understand how could a hacker gain access to the DNS server and corrupt the entry there? Wouldnt it require special admin rights, etc. to log in? Glen On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Paul Ferg

RE: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread John Souvestre
Hi Shawn. Or you could vote with your feet, and wish then a "fine" g'day. John John Souvestre - New Orleans LA - (504) 454-0899 -Original Message- From: shawn wilson [mailto:ag4ve...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:42 pm To: Hal Murray Cc: North American Network Operat

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 6/21/13, Michael McConnell wrote: > Hello all, > As the IPv4 space get smaller and smaller, does anyone think we'll see a > time when /25's will be accepted for global BGP prefix announcement. The I am confident there are providers that will accept /25s from some of their customer(s) or peer(s

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Michael McConnell wrote: > As the IPv4 space get smaller and smaller, does anyone think we'll > see a time when /25's will be accepted for global BGP prefix > announcement. The current smallest size is a /24 and generally > ok for most people, but the crunch gets t

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread joel jaeggli
On 6/21/13 2:15 PM, Grzegorz Janoszka wrote: On 21-06-13 21:56, Michael McConnell wrote: As the IPv4 space get smaller and smaller, does anyone think we'll see a time when /25's will be accepted for global BGP prefix announcement. The current smallest size is a /24 and generally ok for most pe

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread Owen DeLong
Quite the opposite. As the technical limitations of the routing gear are reached, shorter and shorter prefixes will be tolerated until IPv4 is utterly unusable if we try to stay on IPv4 that long. Owen On Jun 21, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Michael McConnell wrote: > Hello all, > > As the IPv4 space

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-21 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 21, 2013, at 8:31 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Phil Fagan wrote: >>> I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth in that >>> when >>> they use that data collected "inadvertantly" to

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread Jakob Heitz
> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:14:07 -0400 > From: "Majdi S. Abbas" > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 01:56:02PM -0600, Michael McConnell wrote: >> As the IPv4 space get smaller and smaller, does anyone think we'll >> see a time when /25's will be accepted for global BGP prefix >> announcement. The curren

Re: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread Barry Shein
I think we need a better measure than number of domains (in this case .COM), particularly vs total domains. If it was 100 domains it might seem small, unless that list began with facebook.com, amazon.com, google.com and g*d forbid theworld.com. -- -Barry Shein The World |

BGP Update Report

2013-06-21 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 13-Jun-13 -to- 20-Jun-13 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS36998 175465 8.0% 310.6 -- SDN-MOBITEL 2 - AS27947 123692 5.6% 180.6 -- T

The Cidr Report

2013-06-21 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Jun 21 21:13:56 2013 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread Grzegorz Janoszka
On 21-06-13 21:56, Michael McConnell wrote: > As the IPv4 space get smaller and smaller, does anyone think we'll see a time > when /25's will be accepted for global BGP prefix announcement. The current > smallest size is a /24 and generally ok for most people, but the crunch gets > tighter, rout

Re: /25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 01:56:02PM -0600, Michael McConnell wrote: > As the IPv4 space get smaller and smaller, does anyone think we'll see > a time when /25's will be accepted for global BGP prefix announcement. > The current smallest size is a /24 and generally ok for most people, but > the cr

/25's prefixes announced into global routing table?

2013-06-21 Thread Michael McConnell
Hello all, As the IPv4 space get smaller and smaller, does anyone think we'll see a time when /25's will be accepted for global BGP prefix announcement. The current smallest size is a /24 and generally ok for most people, but the crunch gets tighter, routers continue to have more and more ram w

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-21 Thread Phil Fagan
Hah! On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Warren Bailey < wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote: > The United States Constitution* > > *See Terms and Conditions for details, not all citizens apply, void where > prohibited, subject to change at any time. > > On 6/21/13 11:42 AM, "Phil Fagan"

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-21 Thread Warren Bailey
The United States Constitution* *See Terms and Conditions for details, not all citizens apply, void where prohibited, subject to change at any time. On 6/21/13 11:42 AM, "Phil Fagan" wrote: >I guess the moral here isdon't do anything "wrong." > >:-D > > >On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Wi

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-21 Thread Phil Fagan
I guess the moral here isdon't do anything "wrong." :-D On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Phil Fagan wrote: > >> I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth

Weekly Routing Table Report

2013-06-21 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
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Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-21 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Phil Fagan wrote: >> I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth in that when >> they use that data collected "inadvertantly" to build a case a against you >> they use no other data collected

Re: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread John Levine
>"Registrar Primary" and "Registrar Auditor" There are certainly registrars who are more security oriented than Netsol. If you haven't followed all of the corporate buying and selling, Netsol is now part of web.com, so their business is more to support web hosting than to be a registrar. I expec

Re: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread David Walker
> https://www.networksolutions.com/blog/2013/06/important-update-for-network-solutions-customers-experiencing-website-issues/ Why are they infinitely looping a script on their web server to check for a cookie? Are these people insane?

Re: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread Nicolai
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 05:28:17PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > It's relatively small when you consider there's something like 140M .com's Just FWIW, the current size of .com is roughly 109M domains. Someday it will reach 140M but not today. Nicolai

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-21 Thread Phil Fagan
Good point; apparently the doctorine does protect against the case whereby any collected data would have been found anway "with a court order." On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Phil Fagan wrote: > > I would think this is only an issue if they

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-21 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Phil Fagan wrote: > I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth in that when > they use that data collected "inadvertantly" to build a case a against you > they use no other data collected under a proper warrant. That statement ignores a longs

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-21 Thread Phil Fagan
I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth in that when they use that data collected "inadvertantly" to build a case a against you they use no other data collected under a proper warrent. If the purpose was to actually collect data on you, in the event you do something , they

Re: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 23:42:24 -0400, shawn wilson said: > I think Netsol should be fined. Maybe even a class action suite filed > against them for lost business. And that's it. So your contract with NetSol has an SLA guarantee in it, and you can demonstrate that (a) said SLA has been violated and

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-21 Thread Dan White
On 06/09/13 11:10 -0500, Dan White wrote: Let me put my gold tipped tinfoil hat on in response to your statement. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant If accurate, this is extremely concerning: Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees

Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue

2013-06-21 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 21, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote: > On 2013-06-21 4:54 AM, Bill Woodcock wrote: >> Again, this only matters if you place a great deal of importance both on the >> notion that size equals fairness, and that fairness is more important than >> efficiency. >> ... >>> I think th

Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue

2013-06-21 Thread Benson Schliesser
On 2013-06-21 4:54 AM, Bill Woodcock wrote: Again, this only matters if you place a great deal of importance both on the notion that size equals fairness, and that fairness is more important than efficiency. ... I think the point is here that networks are nudging these decisions by making cer

RE: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread Kain, Rebecca (.)
I remember when I used to own a small ISP and NetSOL "lost" 1/3 of the domains. Just lost them. And it wasn't a DDOS, it was their screw up. It went on for days -Original Message- From: Hank Nussbacher [mailto:h...@efes.iucc.ac.il] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:10 PM To: Richard G

Server Sky - Internet and computation in orbit

2013-06-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
(This may be Wacky Friday, but this one is not tongue in cheek -- the name Keith Lofstrom should ring a bell). http://server-sky.com/ Server Sky - internet and computation in orbit It is easier to move terabits than kilograms or megawatts. Space solar power will solve the energy crisis. Sooner

Re: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 6/20/13, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > It's relatively small when you consider there's something like 140M .com's Yeah... I'm in agreement about that's probably what is going on... It's relatively small, but absolutely large, and absolute numbers matter. 5 domains is small, 50k is not,

Re: This is a coordinated hacking. (Was Re: Need help in flushing DNS)

2013-06-21 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 6/20/13, Hal Murray wrote: > Perhaps we should setup a distributed system for checking things rather than > another SPOF. That's distributed both geographically and administratively > and using several code-bases. [snip] I would be in favor of being able to pay two "competitive" to be regis

Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue

2013-06-21 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Jun 20, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Niels Bakker wrote: > You're mistaken if you think that CDNs have equal number of packets going in > and out. I'm aware that neither the quantity nor the size of packets in each direction are equal. I'm just hard-pressed to think of a reason why this matters, and