Re: navigation questions from a newbie

2002-06-13 Thread Gary Johnson
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:19:34AM -0400, Brett Sanger wrote: > Okay, just started using mutt, (previously used pine, decided to make the > switch). I've heard pretty much nothing but good things about mutt, so > I'm assuming most of my issues can be resolved, I just don't know how. I > haven't

Re: wrong In-Reply-To messes up threading

2002-06-13 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2002-06-13, Daniel Eisenbud wrote: > Currently, mutt uses the following heuristic: if there is just an > in-reply-to header, mutt uses all the message-ids that it can find > there, until it finds a message that's actually in the mailbox. If > there's just a references header, it does the same

Re: Telling me of new mail

2002-06-13 Thread Gary Johnson
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 06:02:07PM -0400, Brett Sanger wrote: > so the beep_new says whether to beep on new mailbut how do I get it to > update the screen without an action? I like to have my client open and > glance at the screen now and then to see if anything has shown up. > > From my tes

problem w/ folder-hook & sort_browser

2002-06-13 Thread parv
i have problem w/ changing the sort order in (file/folder/directory) browser. mbox format is mbox & mutt version is 1.3.99i. below is what i have in folder-hooks... folder-hook '.' 'set sort_browser="reverse-date"' folder-hook '/(Ignore|Out)/' 'set sort_browser="reverse-alpha"'

Re: mutt-1.2.5* considered HARMFUL (was: wrong In-Reply-To messes up threading)

2002-06-13 Thread Daniel Eisenbud
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 08:41:22PM +0200, Alain Bench <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mutt 1.4 has wonderfull code for threading: powerfull, versatile, > fast, configurable to everyone's taste, informative (I mean the "&?" > missing and the "*" broken). But a little bit fragile: Perhaps too much

Re: wrong In-Reply-To messes up threading

2002-06-13 Thread Daniel Eisenbud
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 11:44:50AM +0200, Rocco Rutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In-Reply-To claims X but References claims Y. who do I > > believe? > > I would guess that In-Reply-To will win if present. It's > useless to try repairing broken threading by wild guesses. > > And the differen

Telling me of new mail

2002-06-13 Thread Brett Sanger
so the beep_new says whether to beep on new mailbut how do I get it to update the screen without an action? I like to have my client open and glance at the screen now and then to see if anything has shown up. >From my tests so far, the screen updates only when I press a key. TIA

Re: Google Groups and Spam

2002-06-13 Thread Drew Raines
Rocco Rutte wrote: > > Why this? TDMA knows whitelists which means that you can > create a whitelist address for a list and subscribe with it. Indeed. Or, you can subscribe with a keyword address which only the MLM will know; list mail will shoot straight to your inbox with no whitelist to maint

Re: mutt-1.4 & utf-8

2002-06-13 Thread Tim Freedom
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:15:18 +0200, "Stephan Seitz" wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:32:54AM -0700, Tim Freedom wrote: > > vim-6.1+ and compile it. Then without having to do _anything_ you will > > be able to view/compose/etc a utf-8 (both in graphical mode and/or in > > a UTF-8 terminal

Re: navigation questions from a newbie

2002-06-13 Thread Brett Sanger
> If you want to do it on just one line, you'll have to replace that with > > my_hdr From: Brett Sanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > to force the header into place. Just to make sure I comprehend -- this is the not the best solution since it precludes using hooks? (My attachment to a small .muttrc is

Re: navigation questions from a newbie

2002-06-13 Thread David T-G
Brett -- ...and then Brett Sanger said... % % > > Okay, this is a simple one, but I didn't come across it in the docs. How % > > do I set my From: address? I tinkered with my EMAIL enviroment, but that % > > didn't make a difference. % > % > See Mutt manual 6.3.55 % % My .muttrc file: % % se

Re: navigation questions from a newbie

2002-06-13 Thread Brett Sanger
> > Okay, this is a simple one, but I didn't come across it in the docs. How > > do I set my From: address? I tinkered with my EMAIL enviroment, but that > > didn't make a difference. > > See Mutt manual 6.3.55 My .muttrc file: set from = [EMAIL PROTECTED] (yes, so far it's just one line) Ye

Re: UTF-8 display problems

2002-06-13 Thread David T-G
Mark -- You should go back and read Tim Freedom's utf-8 thread if he doesn't respond to you first (now that he has the answers and can contribute back to the community). It probably has to do with your locale settings. See his messages of Jun 9th and forward in the archives. HTH & HAND :-D --

Re: mutt-1.4 & utf-8

2002-06-13 Thread Stephan Seitz
Hi! On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:32:54AM -0700, Tim Freedom wrote: > Well, you are setting a locale (LANG, LC_CTYPE); its not global, > sure - but its being set :-) Of course I do. How else could the program know what language I wish to use? > vim-6.1+ and compile it. Then without having to do _

Re: mutt-1.2.5 is just FINE (was: mutt-1.2.5 is considered HARMFUL)

2002-06-13 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2002-06-13, Alain Bench wrote: [...] > By the way Mutt 1.4 shows me these 2 mails in the right thread, just > below the parent, but with a "`-?->" as if there was a missing mail in > between. I noticed that depending on how many other messages you have (and by which authors) mutt will put

Re: UTF-8 display problems

2002-06-13 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 03:50:09PM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: > it shows up fine, but I don't want to use the functionality of ^^^ And I meant "lose" there. :) -- Mark REED| CNN Internet Technology 1 CNN Center Rm SW0831G | [EMAIL

Re: UTF-8 display problems

2002-06-13 Thread Mark J. Reed
I should have mentioned that I'm using mutt 1.4i. On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 03:50:09PM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: > I have a message that is in UTF-8, it is marked as such in the > header (charset=utf-8); I have $charset set to utf-8 in my > muttrc, and I'm using a UTF-8 terminal emulator. But mut

UTF-8 display problems

2002-06-13 Thread Mark J. Reed
I have a message that is in UTF-8, it is marked as such in the header (charset=utf-8); I have $charset set to utf-8 in my muttrc, and I'm using a UTF-8 terminal emulator. But mutt is doing something to the message such that it does not show up properly in the internal pager; I get garbage charact

Re: mutt-1.2.5* considered HARMFUL (was: wrong In-Reply-To messes up threading)

2002-06-13 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2002-06-13, Alain Bench wrote: > Hello Christoph, > > On Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 10:23:01 AM +0300, Christoph Bugel wrote: > > > I found that my local mbox files contain lots of headers of the form > > In-reply-to: <"from userxyz"@host> > > Do you have an MTA called "iPlanet Messagin

Re: navigation questions from a newbie

2002-06-13 Thread Kevin Coyner
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:19:34AM -0400, Brett Sanger wrote.. > Okay, just started using mutt, (previously used pine, decided to make the > switch). I've heard pretty much nothing but good things about mutt, so > I'm assuming most of my issues can be resolved, I just don't know how. I > h

Re: umlauts from hotmail

2002-06-13 Thread Michael Tatge
Sven Hartenstein ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: > > [...] In this case hotmail is broken, too. > Ok, blaming hotmail might be the correct answer, however, can mutt > "adapt" to the problem and still show me the umlauts? > Can I do something like "if a mail comes from hotmail than assume this > cont

Re: mutt-1.2.5* considered HARMFUL (was: wrong In-Reply-To messes upthreading)

2002-06-13 Thread Alain Bench
Hello Christoph, On Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 10:23:01 AM +0300, Christoph Bugel wrote: > I found that my local mbox files contain lots of headers of the form > In-reply-to: <"from userxyz"@host> Do you have an MTA called "iPlanet Messaging Server" in the path between the list robot and y

Re: mutt-1.4 & utf-8

2002-06-13 Thread Tim Freedom
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:23:05 +0200, "Stephan Seitz" wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:07:13AM -0700, Tim Freedom wrote: > > If someone would like to use utf-8 irrespective of the locale > > setting, he/she ought to be able to do that, no ? There are lots of > > Maybe I don't understand yo

Re: Google Groups and Spam

2002-06-13 Thread David T-G
Rocco, et al -- ...and then Rocco Rutte said... % % Hi, Hello! % % * David T-G [02-06-13 18:05:26 +0200] wrote: ... % > I don't know about most list software, but you could try % > using a TMDA-like approach of a limited-time mailing % > address, though you might have to resubscribe every %

Re: Google Groups and Spam

2002-06-13 Thread Will Yardley
Rocco Rutte wrote: > * Dean Richard Benson [02-06-13 18:05:25 +0200] wrote: > > 2. Do many people use a fake email address from? Ie, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This is really bad since it will generate bouncing mails that other > people have to take of. Better use a dummy account you don't read

Re: Google Groups and Spam

2002-06-13 Thread Robert Ian Smit
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 04:29:55PM +0100, Dean Richard Benson wrote: > Hi all > > I post to a few different groups - mutt-users being just one of them. > > I have a question tho regarding the usage of mutt/groups/spam. > > A lot of the spam I receive these days is to addresses that I have > pre

Re: umlauts from hotmail

2002-06-13 Thread Sven Hartenstein
Hi, * Rocco Rutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The German umlauts are usually displayed by my mutt > > without problems, however not when I receive mail from a > > particular person. I guess it has to do with her using > > hotmail (?). In these mails, the umlauts and "ß" are > > replaced by a questi

Re: navigation questions from a newbie

2002-06-13 Thread Robert Ian Smit
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:19:34AM -0400, Brett Sanger wrote: I only use mutt for a couple of weeks now, so I can only answer some of your questions. Read below. (I removed questions I don't know the answer to) One word of advise though. Get someone elses .muttrc and work with that. One of the

Re: Mailfilter

2002-06-13 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi, * Thorsten Haude [02-06-07 19:45:07 +0200] wrote: > * Rocco Rutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-06-07 08:02]: > >I hope I don't have to pipe mail through my filter and than > >pipe it into another instance of Mail::Audit... > There is only a pipe() that would leave Mail::Audit. Yes, > you would h

Re: Google Groups and Spam

2002-06-13 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi, * David T-G [02-06-13 18:05:26 +0200] wrote: > ...and then Dean Richard Benson said... > % 2. Do many people use a fake email address from? Ie, > % [EMAIL PROTECTED] > While some folks do address mangling in their signatures, > I don't know of anyone who actually subscribes to a > mailing l

Re: Google Groups and Spam

2002-06-13 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi, * Dean Richard Benson [02-06-13 18:05:25 +0200] wrote: > A lot of the spam I receive these days is to addresses > that I have previously used to post to newsgroups. So how > do others handle posting to newsgroups/mailing lists > without getting flooded with spam. > A few things spring to mi

Re: umlauts from hotmail

2002-06-13 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi, * Sven Hartenstein [02-06-13 17:32:09 +0200] wrote: > The German umlauts are usually displayed by my mutt > without problems, however not when I receive mail from a > particular person. I guess it has to do with her using > hotmail (?). In these mails, the umlauts and "ß" are > replaced by a

Re: mutt-1.4 & utf-8

2002-06-13 Thread Stephan Seitz
Hi! On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:07:13AM -0700, Tim Freedom wrote: > If someone would like to use utf-8 irrespective of the locale > setting, he/she ought to be able to do that, no ? There are lots of Maybe I don't understand you, but how can a textmode application like mutt or vim, which depends

Re: mutt-1.4 & utf-8

2002-06-13 Thread Tim Freedom
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:34:58 -0500, "David T-G" wrote: > > % Tim Freedom wrote: > % > ... > % I was able to resolve my own problem (thanks to the few people that > % replied and helped). It related to setting a correct locale value. > > Oh, locale... Right. I just got bitten by that with th

Re: Google Groups and Spam

2002-06-13 Thread David T-G
Dean -- ...and then Dean Richard Benson said... % % Hi all Hello! % % I post to a few different groups - mutt-users being just one of them. % % I have a question tho regarding the usage of mutt/groups/spam. % % A lot of the spam I receive these days is to addresses that I have Yeah. Very

Google Groups and Spam

2002-06-13 Thread Dean Richard Benson
Hi all I post to a few different groups - mutt-users being just one of them. I have a question tho regarding the usage of mutt/groups/spam. A lot of the spam I receive these days is to addresses that I have previously used to post to newsgroups. So how do others handle posting to newsgroups/ma

navigation questions from a newbie

2002-06-13 Thread Brett Sanger
Okay, just started using mutt, (previously used pine, decided to make the switch). I've heard pretty much nothing but good things about mutt, so I'm assuming most of my issues can be resolved, I just don't know how. I haven't used elm, so I can't import any knowledge from that. Before I get to

umlauts from hotmail

2002-06-13 Thread Sven Hartenstein
Hi! The German umlauts are usually displayed by my mutt without problems, however not when I receive mail from a particular person. I guess it has to do with her using hotmail (?). In these mails, the umlauts and "ß" are replaced by a questionmark. I have "LC_CTYPE=de_DE" in my .bash_profile. A

Re: Invalid Header Field

2002-06-13 Thread Dean Richard Benson
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:05:49PM +0100, Dean Richard Benson wrote: > Hi Hi Dean! ;) > When I enter a new folder in mutt I see a message flash by (about 1 > second). > "Invalid Header Field" > Is there a way to find out what in my config might be set up > incorrectly? Ok, I managed to work out

Re: Invalid Header Field

2002-06-13 Thread David T-G
Dean -- ...and then Dean Richard Benson said... % % Hi Hello! % % When I enter a new folder in mutt I see a message flash by (about 1 % second). % % "Invalid Header Field" % % Is there a way to find out what in my config might be set up % incorrectly? You might try firing off script and r

Re: Invalid Header Field

2002-06-13 Thread Michael Tatge
Dean Richard Benson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: > When I enter a new folder in mutt I see a message flash by (about 1 > second). > > "Invalid Header Field" I presume mbox? > Is there a way to find out what in my config might be set up > incorrectly? What is creating these folders? Michael -

Invalid Header Field

2002-06-13 Thread Dean Richard Benson
Hi When I enter a new folder in mutt I see a message flash by (about 1 second). "Invalid Header Field" Is there a way to find out what in my config might be set up incorrectly? Oh, and also, since I could have easily missed the error message, is there such a thing as a mutt error log? Thanks

Re: Loosing flag N in folder view -> ~N (solved)

2002-06-13 Thread Oliver Fuchs
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Rocco Rutte wrote: > | Note: new mail is detected by comparing the last > | modification time to the last access time. Utilities like > | biff or frm or any other program which accesses the mailbox > | might cause Mutt to never detect new mail for that mailbox > | if they do

Re: Loosing flag N in folder view (solved)

2002-06-13 Thread Oliver Fuchs
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Michael Tatge wrote: > You mean you edit a (mbox)mail-folder in vim? Ok, in case atime and mtime > will be identical and therefore mutt won't know that there are new > messages in the folder. Solution: Don't do it. Yes, trying to copy text to another file/another folder ...

Re: Compiling mutt on Cygwin doesn't work

2002-06-13 Thread Olaf Foellinger
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 09:54:03PM +0200, Gerhard Haering wrote: > For reasons that you really don't want to know, I need to patch and compile > mutt on Cygwin. Unfortunately, I can't compile either the Cygwin sources of > 1.2.5 nor mutt 1.4.0 with a stock > > ./configure --with-homespool=/foo/va

Loosing Flag N in folder view

2002-06-13 Thread Oliver Fuchs
Hi, after i received new messages I start mutt and open my mbox (per default) ... typing command c I can change to the folder view or to a list of my mailboxes specified in my .muttrc file ... o.k., in folder view with folder_format default settings I get the N flag for mailboxes that have new me

Re: Loosing flag N in folder view

2002-06-13 Thread Michael Tatge
Oliver Fuchs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: > > For example opening in my mutt mail folder e.g. mbox via vim to copy > some messageparts ... afterwards all N-flags in folder-view are gone ... You mean you edit a (mbox)mail-folder in vim? Ok, in case atime and mtime will be identical and therefore

Re: Loosing flag N in folder view -> ~N

2002-06-13 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi, * Oliver Fuchs [02-06-13 09:53:22 +0200] wrote: > For example opening in my mutt mail folder e.g. mbox via > vim to copy some messageparts ... Why this? > afterwards all N-flags in folder-view are gone ... > reading new messages delete the N-flag ... Clear. I don't know what to do about

Re: Loosing flag N in folder view -> ~N

2002-06-13 Thread Oliver Fuchs
For example opening in my mutt mail folder e.g. mbox via vim to copy some messageparts ... afterwards all N-flags in folder-view are gone ... reading new messages delete the N-flag ... o.k. I know this special feature in mutt ... but what I mean is that loosing the N-flags without (without!!!) rea

Re: mutt-1.2.5* considered HARMFUL

2002-06-13 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2002-06-13, Rocco Rutte wrote: > Hi, > > * Christoph Bugel [02-06-13 09:29:54 +0200] wrote: > > On 2002-06-12, Alain Bench wrote: > > > > set in_reply_to="%i" > > > I still don't understand what's going on though. I even > > suspect that it's not the default $in_reply_to from > > mutt-1.2.5

Re: mutt-1.2.5* considered HARMFUL

2002-06-13 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi, * Christoph Bugel [02-06-13 09:29:54 +0200] wrote: > On 2002-06-12, Alain Bench wrote: > > set in_reply_to="%i" > I still don't understand what's going on though. I even > suspect that it's not the default $in_reply_to from > mutt-1.2.5 that confuses mutt-1.4. I found that my local > mbox

Re: Loosing flag N in folder view -> ~N

2002-06-13 Thread Oliver Fuchs
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: > well - find out which keys you typed which made you lose the N flag. > it usually happens when you "read" a message... For example opening in my mutt mail folder e.g. mbox via vim to copy some messageparts ... afterwards all N-flags in folder-view are go

Re: mutt-1.2.5* considered HARMFUL (was: wrong In-Reply-To messes up threading)

2002-06-13 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2002-06-12, Alain Bench wrote: [...] > Calm down! ;-) Situation is not *so* critical: ok ;-) > First: many readers use more "References:" than "In-Reply-To:" to > show threads, and Mutt 1.2.5 posts this field cleanly. > > Second: trash loaded IRT field is not a problem of Mutt 1.