Re: Tuning gigabit bridging firewall for better performance

2005-06-10 Thread nate
Tony Sarendal said: > Now about netstat on your openbsd box ? > netstat -I -w10 I will try that tomorrow, thanks! also any opinions whether or not the amd64 port of openbsd may perform better ? even though I'm running a cheap hack of the amd64 platform(EM64T). I wanted to go full opteron though

Re: Sad boot problem (boot.conf: invalid argument)

2005-06-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
--On 09 June 2005 19:00 -0600, Tobias Weingartner wrote: On Thursday, June 9, "Luciano ES" wrote: Hello, Stuart. The answers to your latest questions: On 09/06/05 at 12:11, Stuart Henderson wrote in 7K: > How does 'fdisk wd0' look? - The second slice (offset 63) was marked as unknown. Then I

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-10 Thread mdff
hi misc@, which hardware r u talking about for example? we'd like to use such "real" servers, but we can't decide what vendor to choose. we definitely do not want to "build" our own server (taking the raid controller from vendor x and the disks from vendor y, having an overkill xeon mabo from z an

rdr for outgoing packets

2005-06-10 Thread Denis Doroshenko
hello, is there possibility to catch outgoing packets on an interface? while the question seems dumb, i seem to be stuck and no man page/PF faq/web searches help me. it seems that PF rdr-s only incoming packets. is this a correct statement? is there any thoughts of extending PF functionality to co

heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread -f
dear list, a nice cup of coffee in front of me, and as a big fan of robert x., let me reflect a bit on the phenomenon called "misc@openbsd.org"... will try to keep it short. a couple of days ago, there was a quite big thread about optimized kernel builds. the caller had a point (all of us do,

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-10 Thread Mark Uemura
Hi Steve, I was happy to get your comments and was not offended by anything you said. I'm very happy to learn from anyone, especially if it is going to improve the presentation. You made some good points that I will use going forward :) My objective is really to prove by example & experience t

Tweaks for spamd

2005-06-10 Thread Tim Hoddy
I've been tweaking the options for spamd in an attempt to both prevent spam to my network and up the pain levels to the spammers. In particular, grey-trapping works very well indeed and appears to cut out a good deal of spam. I use the "-n" switch to spamd to change the default banner to a sendma

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu
Hear hear. > -Original Message- > From: -f [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 10 June 2005 02:50 PM > To: OpenBSD > Subject: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading] > > > dear list, > > a nice cup of coffee in front of me, and as a big fan of > robert x., let me reflect

Is /dev on mfs possible?

2005-06-10 Thread Alexey E. Suslikov
Hello misc@openbsd.org, how actively flash memory used while changing devices' permissions? is /dev on mfs possible? Thanks.

Re: Low power, 1U devices

2005-06-10 Thread Stephen Hassard
Antec has a 1U case, but has only 1 front 5.25" bay. I've found the Antec rackmounted cases to be of good quality, and have had good support from Antec's technical support. http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=94100 Steven Bowers wrote: Is anyone familiar with a company that sell

Re: OT, but maybe??? Need an Alarm Beacon

2005-06-10 Thread MikeM
On 6/9/2005 at 5:01 PM L. V. Lammert wrote: |It would be nice to have a simple way to trip an external flashing alarm |beacon when attention is needed, .. no operator is normally at this system. | |Has anyone run across a simple way to trip an external beacon? USB? Adding |a I/O card seems prett

Re: Is /dev on mfs possible?

2005-06-10 Thread Mike Wolman
Yup eg: swap /dev mfs rw,-s=2048,-i=128,nosuid 0 0 Mike. On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Alexey E. Suslikov wrote: Hello misc@openbsd.org, how actively flash memory used while changing devices' permissions? is /dev on mfs possible? Thanks.

Re: Is /dev on mfs possible?

2005-06-10 Thread francisco
how actively flash memory used while changing devices' permissions? I'm not sure what you mean by this. is /dev on mfs possible? Yes: $ df -hi /dev Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on mfs:27131 239K 33.0K195K14%1316 6026

Re: rdr for outgoing packets

2005-06-10 Thread Jason Crawford
It's very simple, try reading the ftp-proxy man page, as it has an example for exactly what you're doing, something like: rdr on $int_if inet proto tcp from $int_net to any port ftp -> 127.0.0.1 port 8021 I believe pf.conf man page also has examples for this too. Really, read the docs, because you

Re: Is /dev on mfs possible?

2005-06-10 Thread Jason Crawford
Yes, it is possible to have /dev on mfs, however that would mean you'd have to run MAKEDEV on every boot after mounting the /dev memory file system. Really, with the way flash cards are nowadays, putting the noatime option in /etc/fstab is more than enough (and not running a busy caching proxy of s

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Rick Barter
-f wrote: dear list, a nice cup of coffee in front of me, and as a big fan of robert x., let me reflect a bit on the phenomenon called "misc@openbsd.org"... will try to keep it short. You failed to keep it short. a couple of days ago, there was a quite big thread about optimized kernel buil

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Tor Houghton
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:13:13AM -0400, Rick Barter wrote: > > [snip] > > You know what? This is the number one problem with the world today; > people like you trying to protect the young, innocent, whatever from > themselves and others. Since when is it *MY* job to police everyone > else's

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Jason Crawford
On 6/10/05, -f <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dear list, > > a nice cup of coffee in front of me, and as a big fan of > robert x., let me reflect a bit on the phenomenon called > "misc@openbsd.org"... will try to keep it short. > > > a couple of days ago, there was a quite big thread about optimi

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread francisco
what people here mostly fail to realize is, how impersonal the internet really is. 99% of you don't know how old i am, how do i look like, what's my life like. same is true from my side towards you. That's because we haven't googled the right queries. If advice were followed (e.g. http://

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread -f
hello Rick, and others, i just wanted to say, that you almost enteriley missed my point. i never said leave the young in a bubble, but 40 people yelling at you and calling names is not funny either. i didn't realize all the people here were so strong personalities in their teens, my mistake. o

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Bram Van Dam
-f wrote: 2. if a mail makes you angry, in 85% of all cases, you should just delete it, and forget about it. i am quite amazed how hard it is for people to ignore stuff. you must exercise your ignore muscle. saves awful lot of time and energy. (i know, this mail is the opposite of

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Walter Goulet
Hate to keep this thread going, but I have to strongly disagree with the original poster's assertion on the attitude of the list. I have been treated well on the list. Additionally, I've been very happy at how receptive the developers are to discussing issues if you simply do your homework and

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Terry
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 05:17:41PM +0200, -f wrote: snip > pps. i just realized my mail could depict me as the > local christian from your mall. i am not. I am a christian and I agree with Rick alot more than I agree with you. -- Terry

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Walter Goulet
Bram Van Dam wrote: I quite frankly don't give a rat's arse about how frustrated some of you are by seeing n00bs post on the list. So what if someone didn't read man page XYZ? At least tell them to read it. The only thing more disgusting than people not willing to learn, is people not willing t

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Shane J Pearson
On 11/06/2005, at 1:29 AM, Bram Van Dam wrote: I quite frankly don't give a rat's arse about how frustrated some of you are by seeing n00bs post on the list. So what if someone didn't read man page XYZ? Do you and -f need to be reminded, that the "n00b" in question made disparaging claims a

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Dan Bond
Firstly, i am a christian but can totally understand how some people might be put off by the style of evangelism of some christians, typified by those who stand in malls or on street corners and shout. Only takes a few individuals to make people assume everyone is the same. Anyway I've been lu

Re: Vsftpd compile error

2005-06-10 Thread Alexandre Anriot
> > >>> I'm trying to compile vsftpd 2.03 with tcpwrappers and SSL support > > >>> on OpenBSD 3.7. I've edited the builddefs.h per the readme.ssl file Here is an update for vsftpd port: - enabling SSL support by default - new flavor to build vsftpd with TCP Wrappers support Some advises by robe

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Roy Morris
Bram Van Dam wrote: I particularly agree with this bit. Some people on this list seem to have some anger management issues. damn it!! we don't! we can contain ourselves!!! .. got it !! huh!!! lol

blah Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Gordon Grieder
Why are some people starting off replies to this thread with a statement to the effect of "I am a christian" as if it's a badge of honour? It labels them as kooks, no different that someone reading tea leaves, practicing astrology or believing in Nostradamus' quatrains. And, like my reply, it has

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Rick Barter
Bram Van Dam wrote: -f wrote: 2. if a mail makes you angry, in 85% of all cases, you should just delete it, and forget about it. i am quite amazed how hard it is for people to ignore stuff. you must exercise your ignore muscle. saves awful lot of time and energy. (i know, this ma

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Karsten McMinn
On 6/10/05, -f <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a nice cup of coffee in front of me, and as a big fan of > robert x., let me reflect a bit on the phenomenon called > "misc@openbsd.org"... will try to keep it short. > habemus fidei defensor! why do people feel the need to try to make things which ar

Re: Sad boot problem - SOLVED

2005-06-10 Thread Luciano ES
After some more thinking and extensive tests, it seems that my problem is gone for good. It was a very silly problem. Because I am a silly silly man... :-( The problem is that I am booting with Grub, The Great. And I have Windows in a slice. And OpenBSD now lives in a slice where a second (back-u

wireless bridge router/firewall

2005-06-10 Thread Zen Lunatic
I recently got cable. The modem is installed on the third floor of the house. We have a wireless router which allows me to connect my laptop, and we have an xp machine and a ps2 hooked wired to two of the four wired ports on the router. I wanted to build my own router/firewall but the modem is in

tftp:bsd.rd RLX

2005-06-10 Thread Rob Foster
I'm having trouble getting some RLXs to boot openbsd. pxeboot works, but when i try to load "boot tftp:bsd.rd" (which is in the tftp server's root) it stops. ++ |

can't mount ipod shuffle any more

2005-06-10 Thread Jolan Luff
hi, i used to be able to mount my ipod shuffle and use it with audio/gtkpod. i tried to do so yesterday, and it no longer works. the most suspicious thing is that previously, sd0i existed without me having to do any manual intervention, but this doesn't seem to be the case anymore: disklabel: wa

Re: blah Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Steve Davis
Their soap box is here instead of the Mall or the street corner . Thats why ! On 6/10/05, Gordon Grieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why are some people starting off replies to this thread with a > statement to the effect of "I am a christian" as if it's a badge of > honour? It labels them as koo

Re: tftp:bsd.rd RLX

2005-06-10 Thread Diana Eichert
PLEASE Don't cross post to misc@ and [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Rob Foster wrote: > I'm having trouble getting some RLXs to boot openbsd. > > pxeboot works, but when i try to load "boot tftp:bsd.rd" (which is in > the tftp server's root) it stops. > > +-

Re: wireless bridge router/firewall

2005-06-10 Thread josh
Zen Lunatic wrote: > I recently got cable > ...We have a wireless router... > I wanted to build my own router/firewall but the modem is in someone > elses room and they don't want to have a machine sitting in there. > > What I want to do is somehow build a box that is a router/firewall but >

Re: Tweaks for spamd

2005-06-10 Thread Tobias Weingartner
On Thursday, June 9, Tim Hoddy wrote: > > I use the "-n" switch to spamd to change the default banner to a > sendmail-like one. That appears to prevent early disconnects from > semi-intelligent mailers. Personally, hurting spammers is nice and good, but I'd rather that they just go away. If the

Re: wireless bridge router/firewall

2005-06-10 Thread Dimitri Georganas
*Bridged*: The easiest, unfirewalled Get a switch and a wireless bridge (Like senao /engenius sl2511) Connect the bridge to the wireless router and to the switch and you're done. Cost: 100 euro Or: Get an openbsd box with ethernet and wireless card, bridge both interfaces and connect the wire

Re: tftp:bsd.rd RLX

2005-06-10 Thread Rob Foster
> The reason why the first way doesn't work is because the boot loader uses > BIOS routines to write to the BIOS console, so console output stops once > the kernel gets loaded. can i get the kernel to write using bios routines to the bios console too? > The second version "should" work by looking

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Sigfred Håversen
Rick Barter wrote: [snippy snap stuff] Your experience with theaching are not that extensive, I gather? /Sigfred

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Rick Barter
Sigfred Heversen wrote: Rick Barter wrote: [snippy snap stuff] Your experience with theaching are not that extensive, I gather? /Sigfred What makes you say that? Please elaborate. If you have a point, make it. And before you go getting all high and mighty, run your next email through a s

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Jason Crawford
I've taught quite a few children, ranging from the 5 - 17 year range (I've taught adults too, but has nothing to do with this discussion) a lot, and I agree with Rick on his views. If a kid can't learn how to cope with being wrong, and being told to actually read something, well then we'll end up w

Re: tftp:bsd.rd RLX

2005-06-10 Thread Rob Foster
found this about some tyan motherboard, which is not what we have in the blade but.. > One of my mail to the support: > But I try three things: > 1) redirect BIOS to serial port: OK > 2) redirect kernel to serial port: OK > 3) redirect both BIOS and kernel to serial port: problem. > > In the case

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Rick Barter
dereck wrote: Look, I don't 'act all tough on the net'. I just refuse to sit idly by while mamby pamby whiners are spouting crap. And, in real life, I'd say the same thing to him. On this I'll have to draw the line - that is plainly Bullshit. You would not say anything like this to his or

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Sigfred Håversen
Rick Barter wrote: [snip snappy stuff] I didn't say that he wasn't a teacher because he's not actively teaching. I was eluding to him not being a teacher because he is afraid of the responsibility that goes along with the act of teaching. Everyone is a teacher whether they know it or not.

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Tony
Some people on this list seem to have some anger management issues. Some people not on this list seem to have some anger management issues. Both statements true and both statements approximately equally relevant. Overall, this list seems quite a friendly place, and if anything is surprising, it is

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Tony
OpenBSD has an annoying habit of being right. Perhaps if OpenBSD can be civilized into not speaking their minds, OpenBSD won't be so annoying (by not being so right). That seems to be the implicit thrust of these thingees. Flames invited if I've misread the situation. -Original Message-

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Aaron Glenn
On 6/10/05, -f <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dear list, > > peace, > -f All these words and yet nothing is being said. Paragraphs upon heated paragraphs to reach but a few simple conclusions: o "People associated with OpenBSD do not have time to help those who cannot help themselves" is a fair and

Authpf Explained

2005-06-10 Thread Brandon Mercer
Hello, I've got authpf authenticating users and forwarding ports through our firewall. Since I've done this configuration in several steps I don't think the implementation is consistant. I've got a few users who are setup, working and the ports forward to the proper server. There are other users

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin
On 6/10/05, mdff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > : Steve Shockley writes: >> Avoid relying on cheap hardware to make your cost point. >> OpenBSD runs well on "real", modern servers. > > any experience values which vendor to choose servers from? > and of course, where the newer hardware is fully supp

Help with CPAN error "...does not contain a Line-Count header" after OpenBSD 3.7 CD installation

2005-06-10 Thread Matt Phillips
Hi, I'm having a problem installing modules using CPAN on a fresh 3.7 install. I have re-run 'o conf init' twice and popped all of my mirrors and tried new ones to no avail. This problem first came up in Jan2004 here: http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/misc/0401/msg00801.html. The solut

pf pfffffft pfft *) problem

2005-06-10 Thread Fafa Hafiz Krantz
hey! pf blocks me from ftp'ing out from my workstation (behind my pf box) and i don't know why. it only blocks, however, the ftp's i've been downloading a lot from during the past few days. ftp'ing out *from* my pf box works just nicely. some of my users report not being able to ssh in, too. #

Unable to initialize the hardware with em hardware

2005-06-10 Thread Harford, Colin
>From the em driver: The em driver provides support for PCI Gigabit Ethernet adapters based on the Intel 82540, 82541ER, 82541PI, 82542, 82543, 82544, 82545, 82546, 82546EB, 82546GB and 82547 Ethernet controller chips. ... The card is an Intel Pro 1000MT DP on a PCI-Express r

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread auto275911
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >Not true. I have spoken my mind many times in-person and at work, to >managers and presidents. I have never been fired for anything I've >said because I don't attack people personally. I would gladly have a >discussion in real-life with anyone on t

Re: tftp:bsd.rd RLX

2005-06-10 Thread Diana Eichert
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Rob Foster wrote: SNIP > > Are you setting serial console redirect in the BIOS? > > I'm not sure, how to I get into the bios config on these things? hmmm, are you directly connected to the blade serial interface from a PeeCee? If so try hitting F2 while the memory check is c

Can't find package!!!

2005-06-10 Thread João Salvatti
Hi all, I'd recorded all the packages from the OpenBSD's 3.7 repository into four CDs and copied the files to my computer, at home. The first wired thing I've noticed was that all the file names were uppercase. Does anyone know why? Second, I had a problem when I ran pkg_add . It displayed the err

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-10 Thread nate
mdff said: > hi misc@, > > which hardware r u talking about for example? we'd like > to use such "real" servers, but we can't decide what vendor > to choose. we definitely do not want to "build" our own > server (taking the raid controller from vendor x and the > disks from vendor y, having an over

STABLE to go

2005-06-10 Thread Romero Leite
Hi misc@, I would like to find an easy and fast way to bring client machines (same arch) STABLE without any compilation (if fastest). I thought of using a fast machine where I would keep STABLE. Then, Whenever needed I would burn a CD with a copy of the stable kernel and a .tgz of the /usr/obj, t

Re: tftp:bsd.rd RLX

2005-06-10 Thread Diana Eichert
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Rob Foster wrote: > found this about some tyan motherboard, which is not what we have in > the blade but.. > > > One of my mail to the support: > > But I try three things: > > 1) redirect BIOS to serial port: OK > > 2) redirect kernel to serial port: OK > > 3) redirect both B

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Rick Pettit
These threads truly hurt the list, and make everyone suffer. Please stop. -Rick On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 01:54:46PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > >Not true. I have spoken my mind many times in-person and at work, > to > >managers and presi

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-10 Thread Steve Shockley
mdff wrote: our favourite was/is HP's DLxxx series, but mickey@ is working on the ciss-port for their storage controllers and we don't know when it's stable for production use... I usually wind up using older Compaq and HP servers for OpenBSD, where they used either Megaraid, old Adaptec or Sm

Re: STABLE to go

2005-06-10 Thread Stephen Marley
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 03:40:05PM -0700, Romero Leite wrote: > Hi misc@, > > I would like to find an easy and fast way to bring client machines (same > arch) STABLE without any compilation (if fastest). > > I thought of using a fast machine where I would keep STABLE. Then, > Whenever needed I wo

Re: Can't find package!!!

2005-06-10 Thread Stephen Marley
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 07:40:17PM -0300, Joco Salvatti wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd recorded all the packages from the OpenBSD's 3.7 repository into four CDs > and copied the files to my computer, at home. The first wired thing I've > noticed was that all the file names were uppercase. Does anyone kn

Re: Can't find package!!!

2005-06-10 Thread the scorched gremlin
On 6/11/05, Joco Salvatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd recorded all the packages from the OpenBSD's 3.7 repository into four CDs > and copied the files to my computer, at home. The first wired thing I've > noticed was that all the file names were uppercase. Does anyone know why? >

Re: Tuning gigabit bridging firewall for better performance

2005-06-10 Thread nate
Tony Sarendal said: > Now about netstat on your openbsd box ? > netstat -I -w10 results: (netstat -I em1 -w1) em1 inem1 out total in total out packets errs packets errs colls packets errs packets errs colls 45461 023878 0 0138684 0

Re: Who sells Zaurus in the US?

2005-06-10 Thread Phil
I bought mine 2 days ago at www.dynamism.com and received it today (I live in Canada). They answered to all my questions very quickly and did not kept me waiting on the line to talk to a technician. The item was well packages, can't tell for the rest yet, it's still charging for now... The unit se

artsd segfaults on MP3s

2005-06-10 Thread Kirk Strauser
I'm running a newly-installed OpenBSD 3.7 system on a K6-3 laptop with the GENERIC kernel and quite a few packages. I recently discovered that almost everything in KDE seems to be working, but artsd segfaults every time I try to play an MP3: $ ktrace artsd unix_connect: can't connect to server (u

Re: STABLE to go

2005-06-10 Thread Jason Crawford
Something that I do (on a local network, not across the internet) is build stable on a fast machine using make release (man 8 release), then push it to an ftp server, and do ftp upgrades. I find that a lot easier than walking around the lab with a cd. Especially if you can do the updates remotely v

Re: Help with CPAN error "...does not contain a Line-Count header" after OpenBSD 3.7 CD installation

2005-06-10 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:59:00 -0700, Matt Phillips wrote: > I'm having a problem installing modules using CPAN on a fresh 3.7 > install. I have re-run 'o conf init' twice and popped all of my mirrors > and tried new ones to no avail. This problem first came up in Jan2004 > here: http://www.mon

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread R.Payne
"We are the woorrrld. We are the childrennn..." Put a sock in it already. -f wrote: > hello Rick, and others, > > > i just wanted to say, that you almost enteriley missed > my point. i never said leave the young in a bubble, > but 40 people yelling at you and calling names is > not funny eith

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Sascha Ramin
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, R.Payne wrote: "We are the woorrrld. We are the childrennn..." Put a sock in it already. could someone? its clear that people feel differently about this, and discussing it is proving to be completly counter productive as its just creating more clutter that we had ho

Weird ifconfig issue

2005-06-10 Thread Michael Erdely
Hi, Everybody, An admin that works with me was trying to remove an alias from an interface and ended up causing network connectivity on the server to cease. I was wondering if the following scenario was standard behavior: $ ifconfig xl0 xl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 lladdr 00:10:5a:a9:ed:be

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Sparc Urani
why are people being hard to accept facts like these. yes, people has different views to everything most especially the discussions (and sometimes somebody is asking for helps) being thrown to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] since OpenBSD should always be the point of discussions always at misc@, we should

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Greg Thomas
On 6/10/05, Sascha Ramin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, R.Payne wrote: > > > "We are the woorrrld. We are the childrennn..." > > > > Put a sock in it already. > > > could someone? its clear that people feel differently about this, and > discussing it is proving to be complet