pO DANNYM RADIOPEREHWATA OT 23-Sep-2009 21:21, Tom Smith
BYL ZAME^EN W \FIRE, NA ^ASTOTE misc, S TAKOJ INFORMACIEJ:
> > OpenBSD is created by the developers for the developers and any use
> > that the rest of us get from the OS is a nice side effect of their
> > generosity...
>
> That's nonsense.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Nick Holland
wrote:
> If you find your wants and needs overlap with those of the developers,
> we ask you to help support the project. If you don't care about
> OpenBSD, you probably aren't reading this (well, we know a few people
> follow these lists out of a de
Tom Smith wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:29 PM, armpit wrote:
>
>>
>> OpenBSD is created by the developers for the developers and any use that
>> the rest of us get from the OS is a nice side effect of their generosity...
>
>
> That's nonsense. You can't beg for donations and CD sales, time
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 09:21:07PM -0400, Tom Smith wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:29 PM, armpit wrote:
>
> >
> > OpenBSD is created by the developers for the developers and any use that
> > the rest of us get from the OS is a nice side effect of their generosity...
>
>
> That's nonsense. Y
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:29 PM, armpit wrote:
>
> OpenBSD is created by the developers for the developers and any use that
> the rest of us get from the OS is a nice side effect of their generosity...
That's nonsense. You can't beg for donations and CD sales, time and time
again, and then turn
neal hogan wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 01:04:07AM +0200, jean-francois wrote:
>> Le jeudi 17 septembre 2009 C 08:56 +1000, armpit a C)crit :
>>> Marco Peereboom wrote:
>>> [...] OpenBSD is built by the developers for the developers. [...]
>> To me it sound like OpenBSD is built by the develop
Marco Peereboom wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer
wrote:
Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
And that attitude i
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 01:04:07AM +0200, jean-francois wrote:
> Le jeudi 17 septembre 2009 C 08:56 +1000, armpit a C)crit :
> > Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > [...] OpenBSD is built by the developers for the developers. [...]
>
> To me it sound like OpenBSD is built by the developpers for the
> deve
Le jeudi 17 septembre 2009 C 08:56 +1000, armpit a C)crit :
> Marco Peereboom wrote:
> [...] OpenBSD is built by the developers for the developers. [...]
To me it sound like OpenBSD is built by the developpers for the
developpers, and also the rest of the world who need it for whatever
purpose on
> Most long term OpenBSD users know of THEOS. The reason is simple; the
> scumbag company behind that OS tried to use "reverse domain hijacking"
> (i.e. a bogus dispute claim) to steal the "THEOS.COM" domain name from
> it's owner, namely Theo de Raadt.
Here's the goss:
http://theos.com/dispute.ht
-Original Message-
From: J.C. Roberts [mailto:list-...@designtools.org]
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:58 PM
To: Brian Shackelford
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support "Professionals"
- was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)
On Thu, 17 S
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:27:47 -0400 "Brian Shackelford"
wrote:
> Old School Unix = People that KNOW what they are doing. I work with
> Macs, PC's, Windows, Novell, Mac OS, Linux, Unix, Windows, DOS (Yes
> some customers still use this), THEOS (anyone else heard of that
> one???)
Most long term O
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:30:25PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > fluidsynth -ni Unison.sf2 beethoven_-_5th_simphony.mid fluidsynth:
> > warning: Ignoring sample *KPianoB5: can't use ROM samples fluidsynth:
> > error: Couldn't set libsndio audio parameters as desired Failed to
> > create the audio
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 06:48:06PM -0400, bofh wrote:
> actually beat me out for stupidity of the day. He probably believes
> Microsoft and runs XP on a 486 too.
You are probably junked now.
--
/Buzzer
> But I think this - 350Mhz general use cpu turned midi player may
> actually beat me out for stupidity of the day. He probably believes
> Microsoft and runs XP on a 486 too.
You can get close though!
http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm
;-)
-B
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Jacob Meuser
wrote:
> oh, wait. I found a dmesg: PR 6220. PII @ 349 MHz w/ s...@isapnp
>
> ok, now I can believe you may have a "performance" issue.
OK, that beats what I saw at work today. Someone sent me an email
with a subject that said "Issue with ticket
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 01:13:56PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 01:59:43PM +1200, Paul M wrote:
> > I like fluidsynth.
> Well, I got it. Could you explain me how do you ran it?
> >
> > Are you serious?
> Is it looks like joke?
> fluidsynth -ni Unison.sf2 beethoven_-_5th_sim
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 01:13:56PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 01:59:43PM +1200, Paul M wrote:
> > I like fluidsynth.
> Well, I got it. Could you explain me how do you ran it?
> >
> > Are you serious?
> Is it looks like joke?
> fluidsynth -ni Unison.sf2 beethoven_-_5th_sim
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 04:09:04PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I think your problem can be traced to the different
> > > > > > > > > > default voices.
> > > > > > > > > I've test timidity with a different sound fonts and with
> > > > > > > > > the same config, like I have on
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Aaron Mason
wrote:
> Oh yes, M$ were very much against that, even when it was the only
> solution and the one suggested in their knowledge base! This is good
> reading that goes through the horrors of such things, as well as their
> training slash indoctrination:
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 01:59:43PM +1200, Paul M wrote:
> I like fluidsynth.
Well, I got it. Could you explain me how do you ran it?
>
> Are you serious?
Is it looks like joke?
fluidsynth -ni Unison.sf2 beethoven_-_5th_simphony.mid
fluidsynth: warning: Ignoring sample *KPianoB5: can't use
-Original Message-
From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf
Of openbsd misc
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:27 PM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support "Professionals"
- was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)
>Fact of the matter is that I have
> become convinced that those that know how to actually TROUBLESHOOT
> problems are in the very small minority in this industry.
I think this is really the crux of the matter, I find the ability
to troubleshoot multi-vendor complexity is getting to be a rar
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 03:33:07PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 04:59:45PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:08:55PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I think your problem can be traced to the different default
> > > > > > > > > voices.
> > >
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 04:59:45PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:08:55PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > > > > > > > I think your problem can be traced to the different default
> > > > > > > > voices.
> > > > > > > I've test timidity with a different sound fonts and with the
> > >
On 18/09/2009, at 11:59 AM, 4625 wrote:
I like fluidsynth.
Well, I got it. Could you explain me how do you ran it?
Are you serious?
the way the manual says to.
What make you think that I did not saw the manual?
You should probably stop posting about now, you're starting to make
yoursel
First, thank you for a very enlightening rant - the best I've seen
since I joined the list.
*reaches for toilet paper to blow nose*
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Brian Shackelford
wrote:
[snip]
> You know it is interesting - having been in this industry for over 16
> years - to see the attitu
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:08:55PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > > > > > > I think your problem can be traced to the different default
> > > > > > > voices.
> > > > > > I've test timidity with a different sound fonts and with the
> > > > > > same config, like I have one in FreeBSD, on the same PC.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:36:08PM +0100, Fred Crowson wrote:
> >> But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that while
> >> Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and PetaBytes of
> >> Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or desktop or mail server,
> >> etc and point
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 01:35:58PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:55:57PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > > > > > I think your problem can be traced to the different default voices.
> > > > > I've test timidity with a different sound fonts and with the same
> > > > > config, like I
On 9/15/09, 4625 <4625...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:39:46 -0400 Tom Smith wrote:
>
>> But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that while
>> Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and PetaBytes of
>> Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or desktop or
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:55:57PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > > > > I think your problem can be traced to the different default voices.
> > > > I've test timidity with a different sound fonts and with the same
> > > > config, like I have one in FreeBSD, on the same PC.
> > >
> > > I wonder if
Sorry Brian to sort of hijack this new thread; until late last night
I had no time to follow the original one and you don't attribute
your opponent.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:27 -0400, Brian Shackelford wrote:
> > > Correction, a professional OS that requires its users to be
> > > professionals.
+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1
:-)
Brian Shackelford escribis:
>>> Correction, a professional OS that requires its users to be
>
>>> professionals. Not a bunch of whining windows update people that
>
>>> have to call "IT" to launch excel. In case you hadn't noticed we
>
>>> are old school UNIX users that don
> That is my $1.87 worth - flame me - stone me - whatever if you must -
> but again it is just one man's opinion.
>
Don't be sorry, that's one of the better and more literate rants I've seen
on misc@ in a while.
> > Correction, a professional OS that requires its users to be
> > professionals. Not a bunch of whining windows update people that
> > have to call "IT" to launch excel. In case you hadn't noticed we
> > are old school UNIX users that don't mind fixing whatever problem is
at hand.
> > Inclu
Christiano Farina Haesbaert wrote:
> Ignore my double posting, my mistake.
>
Dont worry, it adds value to the intarwebs.
Ignore my double posting, my mistake.
--
Christiano Farina HAESBAERT
Do NOT send me html mail.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
> You have an odd definition of professional, and the kind of attitude that
> sounds like you haven't actually worked in the computer industry in a while.
> Generally, the computer industry is about providing services to end users. And
>
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Sounds like building fro
> > > You have an odd definition of professional, and the kind of attitude that
> > > sounds like you haven't actually worked in the computer industry in a
> > > while.
> > > Generally, the computer industry is about providing services to end
> > > users. And
> > > things like easy updates, speci
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
> > >
> > > boo hoo. run one machine somewher
hmm, on Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:43:07AM +0200, Stephan A. Rickauer said that
> Our Institute moved away from Linux servers always everwhere, just
> *because* of updates are unreliable. Very often we did an apt-get update
> or an yum bla, reboot, machine dead or fucked up otherwise.
everyone is com
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 20:59 +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
> OpenBSD's a wonderful OS, but it's lack of easy upgradability is a
> *disadvantage, not something to be proud of. And yes, there are good
Our Institute moved away from Linux servers always everwhere, just
*because* of updates are unreliable.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 02:44:23AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> >Generally, the computer industry is about providing services to end users.
>
> Wow I'm glad that I'm not part of that industry!
Nah, our end-users are just different beasts. They walk upright.
-Otto
>Generally, the computer industry is about providing services to end users.
Wow I'm glad that I'm not part of that industry!
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 04:14:46PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37
>> And that attitude is why OpenBSD will never be more than a hobby OS. Sigh.
>
>Yes? So? Not everyone has to have an ambition to take over the world.
>The developers do it as a hobby, for fun.
>
>Which ties into the OP. The answer to his question is "why?".
No kidding.
All I ever wanted was a ho
- Tethys writes:
> And that attitude is why OpenBSD will never be more than a hobby OS. Sigh.
Yes? So? Not everyone has to have an ambition to take over the world.
The developers do it as a hobby, for fun.
Which ties into the OP. The answer to his question is "why?".
//art
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 06:39:30PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:55:57PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > > > I wonder if FreeBSD's patch-playmidi would make any difference.
> > > It is not port or patch problem, but perfomance (on my opinion).
> >
> > well, that patch sure looks l
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:57:43PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
>
> What if I'm unable make better "report"?
>
http://www.openbsd.org/report.html
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 07:15:36PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote:
> >> But come on Bret, that's what the industry WANTS.. you can PAY monkeys
> less!
> >>
> >> Push Butan
> >
> > ...receive bacon lube
> >
> >
> Keep it Sizzlin!
>
> (you can't hear it but I'm doing the little techno pelvic dance ri
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Bob Beck wrote:
>> boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
>
> Once you have a built release you can run upgrades everywhere from
> that release tarball.
>
> man release
>
> to figure out how to do that.
>
> Now you may ask, why don't we do that
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:55:57PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > > I wonder if FreeBSD's patch-playmidi would make any difference.
> > It is not port or patch problem, but perfomance (on my opinion).
>
> well, that patch sure looks like it's correcting an inopportune typo.
>
> but I'm not a timi
>> But come on Bret, that's what the industry WANTS.. you can PAY monkeys
less!
>>
>> Push Butan
>
> ...receive bacon lube
>
>
Keep it Sizzlin!
(you can't hear it but I'm doing the little techno pelvic dance right now..)
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bret S. Lambert wrote:
> I think you're missing the point; marco was talking about the dumbing down of
> what's considered acceptible for being called a "professional"; in this case,
> mostly the fact that once you start presenting system administration as a
> series of button
Marco Peereboom wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer
>> wrote:
>>
Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
>>> boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
>> And that attitude is why Op
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 04:14:13PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
> > > > > > But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that
> > > > > > while Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and
> > > > > > PetaBytes of Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or desktop
> > > > > > or mail se
> > > > > But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that
> > > > > while Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and
> > > > > PetaBytes of Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or desktop
> > > > > or mail server, etc and point out that the old article so many
> > > > >
I have been actively maintaining a firewall cluster and a VPN cluster of
BSD system since 3.5. I have upgraded each system from a factory boot cd
every 6 - 8 months. I have never had any problems due the to upgrade
not once. I run a 4000 PC network in a 24x7 Health Care environment.
There is
Bob Beck wrote:
Once you have a built release you can run upgrades everywhere from
that release tarball.
man release
to figure out how to do that.
Now you may ask, why don't we do that? We simply do not have the
resources and time to
devote racks of machines, developer time, and internet band
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:01:02PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:01:49 + Jacob Meuser wrote:
>
> > > > But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that
> > > > while Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and
> > > > PetaBytes of Memory that OpenBSD makes a
Bob Beck wrote:
>> boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
>
> Once you have a built release you can run upgrades everywhere from
> that release tarball.
>
> man release
>
> to figure out how to do that.
>
> Now you may ask, why don't we do that? We simply do not have the
>
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:39:31 +0200 Bret S. Lambert wrote:
> > > > 1) In X on OpenBSD 4.5 mouse cursor may freeze sometimes. On
> > > > FreeBSD 4.11 (on the same PC) - never.
> > >
> > > Doesn't happen for me... Did you ever report this? with
> > > information to reproduce it? I do not think so.
I
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:36:49 -0300 Christiano Farina Haesbaert wrote:
> Remember "Optimization is the root of all evil" from Knuth ?
To act contrary to common sense would be ignore optimization. Look on
MS Windows - each new version require more resources and constrain to
buy new hardware every 2
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:20:05 -0400 Tom Smith wrote:
> Anyway, thanks for all the performance feedback. As to the others, in
> this thread, who find using or managing OpenBSD difficult, I'd say
"...make OS for newbies, and only newbies will want to use this OS."
--
/4625
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:47:08 +0100 - Tethys wrote:
> And that attitude is why OpenBSD will never be more than a hobby OS.
The same words I can say about Linux.
--
/4625
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:54:06PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
> hmm, on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:14:27AM +, Jacob Meuser said that
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:09:32AM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
> > > hmm, on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 06:46:27PM +, Jacob Meuser said that
> > > > so who's
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
> You have an odd definition of professional, and the kind of attitude that
> sounds like you haven't actually worked in the computer industry in a while.
> Generally, the computer industry is about providing services to end users. And
>
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Sounds like building fro
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:01:49 + Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > > But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that
> > > while Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and
> > > PetaBytes of Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or desktop
> > > or mail server, etc and point ou
> Marco Peereboom escribis:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer
> >> wrote:
> >>
> Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
> >>> boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
> >> And that
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:55:44PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote:
> >
> > I think you're missing the point; marco was talking about the dumbing down
> > of
> > what's considered acceptible for being called a "professional"; in this
> > case,
> > mostly the fact that once you start presenting system admin
> I think you're missing the point; marco was talking about the dumbing down of
> what's considered acceptible for being called a "professional"; in this case,
> mostly the fact that once you start presenting system administration as a
> series of buttons to push, you get button-pushing monkeys, no
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:30:47PM +0300, Jussi Peltola wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:22:19PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> > On 2009-09-16, Peter Kay - Syllopsium wrote:
> > >
> > > At the risk of a flaming, sysmerge is also a pain in the arse. Once you
> > > know how to use patch files
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
[snipzorz]
> > It is exactly your attitude that has ruined the computer industry.
> >
> >
>
> You have an odd definition of professional, and the kind of attitude th
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:22:19PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> On 2009-09-16, Peter Kay - Syllopsium wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of a flaming, sysmerge is also a pain in the arse. Once you
> > know how to use patch files and diff properly I'm sure it is absolutely
> > wonderful, but it also c
On 2009-09-16, Peter Kay - Syllopsium wrote:
>
> At the risk of a flaming, sysmerge is also a pain in the arse. Once you
> know how to use patch files and diff properly I'm sure it is absolutely
> wonderful, but it also copes badly with files that have not changed
> in any significant way.
it's
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
> > >
> > > boo hoo. run one machine somewher
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
4625 <4625...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: 4625 <4625...@gmail.com>
> To: misc@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
> Sender: owner-m...@openbsd.org
> O
OP Here. Wow. Did not mean to start this sort of discussion. I only wanted
some suggestions on how to deal with critics of OpenBSD's performance that I
run into on occasion who cite that old, outdated, silly article.
Anyway, thanks for all the performance feedback. As to the others, in this
thread
Marco Peereboom escribis:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer
>> wrote:
>>
Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
>>> boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
>> And that attitude is why
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer
> wrote:
>
> >> Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
> >
> > boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
>
> And that attitude is why OpenBSD will never be
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer
> wrote:
>
> >> Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
> >
> > boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
>
> And that attitude is why OpenBSD will never be m
Ross Cameron wrote:
On 15/09/2009, Henning Brauer wrote:
i have a bgp machine forwarding 800MBit/s of real world generic
internet traffic. can handle at least twice that. enough of a
benchmark?
Any chance you could post the spec. of said machine?
I'd especially be interested in CPU/Chipset/NI
> If there genuinely is something as easy as "yum update bind", then
> great. But if so, it doesn't seem to be documented, and this is the
> reason I haven't rolled out more OpenBSD boxen in the real world. I
> run OpenBSD on my own machines. But I'm with Cian here. Keeping up
> to date really is i
> boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
Once you have a built release you can run upgrades everywhere from
that release tarball.
man release
to figure out how to do that.
Now you may ask, why don't we do that? We simply do not have the
resources and time to
devote racks of
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer
wrote:
>> Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
>
> boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
And that attitude is why OpenBSD will never be more than a hobby OS. Sigh.
Tet
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b It seems intuitively obvious to me,
* - Tethys [2009-09-16 17:37]:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Henning Brauer
> wrote:
>
> >> Building from source is light years more difficult than
> >> 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, or 'yum upgrade' or
> >> the like.
> >
> > so don't fucking do it, use releases and packages.
>
> So
On 15/09/2009, Henning Brauer wrote:
> i have a bgp machine forwarding 800MBit/s of real world generic
> internet traffic. can handle at least twice that. enough of a
> benchmark?
Any chance you could post the spec. of said machine?
I'd especially be interested in CPU/Chipset/NICs/RAM,...
Many t
From: "L. V. Lammert"
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Henning Brauer wrote:
> Building from source is light years
> more difficult than 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, or 'yum
> upgrade' or the
> like.
so don't fucking do it, use releases and packages.
*OR* learn how to use environment variables
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Henning Brauer
wrote:
>> Building from source is light years more difficult than
>> 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, or 'yum upgrade' or
>> the like.
>
> so don't fucking do it, use releases and packages.
So how does one remedy CVE-2009-0696 like that? From th
* Cian Brennan [2009-09-15 23:32]:
> OpenBSD sucks at this one. The fact that base isn't packaged is a *huge* pain
> if you run lots of it. As is the short support timeline.
bullshit. i run way over a hundred openbsd machines. upgrades take me
less than 5 minutes. maintainance is lower than an an
2009/9/16 Paul de Weerd :
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 09:36:49AM -0300, Christiano Farina Haesbaert
wrote:
> | Remember "Optimization is the root of all evil" from Knuth ?
>
> Misquoting does not help your case.
>
> *PREMATURE* optimization is the root of all evil.
>
Ooops my mistake, still the res
hmm, on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:14:27AM +, Jacob Meuser said that
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:09:32AM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
> > hmm, on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 06:46:27PM +, Jacob Meuser said that
> > > so who's benchmarking install/upgrade time? lost time due to
> > > instability?
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 09:36:49AM -0300, Christiano Farina Haesbaert wrote:
| Remember "Optimization is the root of all evil" from Knuth ?
Misquoting does not help your case.
*PREMATURE* optimization is the root of all evil.
Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd
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Remember "Optimization is the root of all evil" from Knuth ?
Why optimize something if it isn't needed ? if you show me something
that clearly won't solve a problem due to it's performance, it's time to
optimize otherwise it's just wasting time. "Uhh but this could be faster"
yeah, and gnu ls cou
I still hear people telling that OpenBSD is secure. It's of course
true, but e.g. vnconfig uses quite weak crypto mechanism.
>>> Will you break mine?
>>
>> I just wanted to know what's true on that (read thread some time back
>> where this is discussed).
>
> Claiming its weak seems like a
>> I still hear people telling that OpenBSD is secure. It's of course
>> true, but e.g. vnconfig uses quite weak crypto mechanism.
>
> Will you break mine?
>
Sorry, I won't :-)
I just wanted to know what's true on that (read thread some time back
where this is discussed).
Oh, these arguments are rich! They never cease to crack me up.
"So and so crypto cipher is weak...blah blah blah..."
Show me the cluster of supercomputers than can break them in
any kind of meaningful time frame and I *might* start to
worry. Oh wait, I forgot about those super secret NSA ones...
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