> > Correction, a professional OS that requires its users to be > > professionals. Not a bunch of whining windows update people that
> > have to call "IT" to launch excel. In case you hadn't noticed we > > are old school UNIX users that don't mind fixing whatever problem is at hand. > > Including writing code or fixing a bug. This is why in the olden > > days your IT department was worth something and wasn't a bunch of > > monkeys reading a script. > > > > It is exactly your attitude that has ruined the computer industry. > > > > > > You have an odd definition of professional, and the kind of attitude > that sounds like you haven't actually worked in the computer industry in a while. > Generally, the computer industry is about providing services to end > users. And things like easy updates, specialisation of labour and all > of that kind of stuff have made us an awful lot better at taht than 'old school UNIX' ever was. You know it is interesting - having been in this industry for over 16 years - to see the attitudes of so many "professionals" in the IT industry. I make my living by fixing all the problems many of these so-called professionals cause when the work on things. It is so very troubling to get phone calls from people that have been laid off from their "IT" job in some of the large corporations where they commanded huge salaries and now they have opened their own business and are calling us for support because they don't have a clue about what it takes to actually do the "work". I almost believe that the perception in this industry is if you can pronounce "server", "workstation", "network", "switch", "hard drive", and a few other "highly technical" (btw - the "" should be read with sarcasm for you Microsoft folks out there) terms, that it is acceptable to call yourself an IT professional. Fact of the matter is that I have become convinced that those that know how to actually TROUBLESHOOT problems are in the very small minority in this industry. Don't get me wrong - I am by no means complaining - for it is how I get paid. I am just sick of so-called professionals with Master's Degrees in IT telling me that they are right and I am wrong because they think pushing a few buttons and having a degree makes them smarter than some of us that earned our experience. Old School Unix = People that KNOW what they are doing. I work with Macs, PC's, Windows, Novell, Mac OS, Linux, Unix, Windows, DOS (Yes some customers still use this), THEOS (anyone else heard of that one???). I have the certifications to prove my knowledge - but none of that means bupkiss if I can't fix a problem I have never seen before. The strength of Old-School Unix folks is their resourcefulness in fixing the problems they are faced with - whether they have seen that specific problem or not - without having to whine to everyone that it just doesn't work. If there is a problem -they fix it - sometimes that means writing code or hacking together a solution. I can't begin to tell you how many times a client has a call into Microsoft and we fix the problem hours (if not days) before Microsoft calls back simply by actually troubleshooting and researching the problem. Sometimes this means we actually (gasp) edit the registry..... Now to bring this to the place of why this relates to OpenBSD. I love OpenBSD, we have some installs that have been in place for several years and I never even think about them. I lose sleep every night I go home when I think about all the Windows systems we manage, but I never even think about the OpenBSD boxes we have put in place. Performance - well three years running with no patches and never a problem and never been compromised. Let me see ANY other OS make that claim. Microsoft Server - connect to internet - compromised within minutes (actually happened to a customer of ours...) Sorry for the long-winded post. I am simply tired of reading whiny people complain about stuff they know nothing about. If you don't like it, don't use it. If you don't understand it, then don't use it - OR - (this might be earth shattering) take the time to LEARN to use it. There are lots of people here that will help when asked questions that show you have done your LEARNING BEFORE you ask. And how much did it cost you......? That is my $1.87 worth - flame me - stone me - whatever if you must - but again it is just one man's opinion..... Placing my Order today for the new set - that should take the US to at least 11 copies......:)
