On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer <lists-open...@bsws.de> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> Sounds like building from source is necessary to me. > > > > > > > > boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done. > > > > > > And that attitude is why OpenBSD will never be more than a hobby OS. Sigh. > > > > Correction, a professional OS that requires its users to be > > professionals. Not a bunch of whining windows update people that have > > to call "IT" to launch excel. In case you hadn't noticed we are old > > school UNIX users that don't mind fixing whatever problem is at hand. > > Including writing code or fixing a bug. This is why in the olden days > > your IT department was worth something and wasn't a bunch of monkeys > > reading a script. > > > > It is exactly your attitude that has ruined the computer industry. > > > > > > You have an odd definition of professional, and the kind of attitude that > sounds like you haven't actually worked in the computer industry in a while. > Generally, the computer industry is about providing services to end users. And > things like easy updates, specialisation of labour and all of that kind of > stuff have made us an awful lot better at taht than 'old school UNIX' ever > was.
No my friend. The computer industry is here to save money. Your description is about having the industry as a means to itself. Thanks again for playing. > > But hey, if you want to pretend we all still live in the early 90s, feel free. > I hope it works out well for you. Works fine. Too bad there are all those youtubers and twatters on the net. It was a much nicer place without them. > > OpenBSD's a wonderful OS, but it's lack of easy upgradability is a > *disadvantage, not something to be proud of. And yes, there are good > reasons why it doesn't exist, the linuxes do have massively more > man power, and developers time *is* probably better spent on new features, > rather than on packaging. Acting smug about your failings just makes you look > like silly, however. I update all my openbsd machines in less than 10 minutes including boot time. That is less time than it takes to download a linux kernel. Not sure what this upgradeability you are talking about. I patched in my years of openbsd use twice from source. Once for ssh and once for bind. I have no clue what you are on about. It is all perceived ease. Your argument has no practical merit.
