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Brian Shackelford escribis: >>> Correction, a professional OS that requires its users to be > >>> professionals. Not a bunch of whining windows update people that > >>> have to call "IT" to launch excel. In case you hadn't noticed we > >>> are old school UNIX users that don't mind fixing whatever problem is > at hand. > >>> Including writing code or fixing a bug. This is why in the olden > >>> days your IT department was worth something and wasn't a bunch of > >>> monkeys reading a script. > > >>> It is exactly your attitude that has ruined the computer industry. > > > > >> You have an odd definition of professional, and the kind of attitude > >> that sounds like you haven't actually worked in the computer industry > in a while. > >> Generally, the computer industry is about providing services to end > >> users. And things like easy updates, specialisation of labour and all > >> of that kind of stuff have made us an awful lot better at taht than > 'old school UNIX' ever was. > > > > You know it is interesting - having been in this industry for over 16 > years - to see the attitudes of so many "professionals" in the IT > industry. I make my living by fixing all the problems many of these > so-called professionals cause when the work on things. It is so very > troubling to get phone calls from people that have been laid off from > their "IT" job in some of the large corporations where they commanded > huge salaries and now they have opened their own business and are > calling us for support because they don't have a clue about what it > takes to actually do the "work". > > > > I almost believe that the perception in this industry is if you can > pronounce "server", "workstation", "network", "switch", "hard drive", > and a few other "highly technical" (btw - the "" should be read with > sarcasm for you Microsoft folks out there) terms, that it is acceptable > to call yourself an IT professional. Fact of the matter is that I have > become convinced that those that know how to actually TROUBLESHOOT > problems are in the very small minority in this industry. > > > > Don't get me wrong - I am by no means complaining - for it is how I get > paid. I am just sick of so-called professionals with Master's Degrees > in IT telling me that they are right and I am wrong because they think > pushing a few buttons and having a degree makes them smarter than some > of us that earned our experience. > > > > Old School Unix = People that KNOW what they are doing. I work with > Macs, PC's, Windows, Novell, Mac OS, Linux, Unix, Windows, DOS (Yes some > customers still use this), THEOS (anyone else heard of that one???). I > have the certifications to prove my knowledge - but none of that means > bupkiss if I can't fix a problem I have never seen before. The strength > of Old-School Unix folks is their resourcefulness in fixing the problems > they are faced with - whether they have seen that specific problem or > not - without having to whine to everyone that it just doesn't work. If > there is a problem -they fix it - sometimes that means writing code or > hacking together a solution. I can't begin to tell you how many times a > client has a call into Microsoft and we fix the problem hours (if not > days) before Microsoft calls back simply by actually troubleshooting and > researching the problem. Sometimes this means we actually (gasp) edit > the registry..... > > > > Now to bring this to the place of why this relates to OpenBSD. I love > OpenBSD, we have some installs that have been in place for several years > and I never even think about them. I lose sleep every night I go home > when I think about all the Windows systems we manage, but I never even > think about the OpenBSD boxes we have put in place. Performance - well > three years running with no patches and never a problem and never been > compromised. Let me see ANY other OS make that claim. Microsoft Server > - connect to internet - compromised within minutes (actually happened to > a customer of ours...) > > > > Sorry for the long-winded post. I am simply tired of reading whiny > people complain about stuff they know nothing about. If you don't like > it, don't use it. If you don't understand it, then don't use it - OR - > (this might be earth shattering) take the time to LEARN to use it. > There are lots of people here that will help when asked questions that > show you have done your LEARNING BEFORE you ask. And how much did it > cost you......? > > > > That is my $1.87 worth - flame me - stone me - whatever if you must - > but again it is just one man's opinion..... > > > > Placing my Order today for the new set - that should take the US to at > least 11 copies......:)
