Historically, Mark, you description of Bland's rhetoric is that of all
Stalinist groups who cared to opine on the differences between Lenin and
Trotsky, of which there were many, prior to 1917 which is why it takes so much
of the writings on the subject. Of course 1917 whipped the slate clean on
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Historically, Mark, your description of Bland's rhetoric is that of all
Stalinist groups who cared to opine on the differences between Lenin and
Trotsky, of which there were many, prior to 1917, is my understanding as well.
Which is why it takes up so much of the writin
It was a single drone. What it hit, anyway? Probably nothing. The drone hardly
changes the balance of power in the region. It is 100% symbolic like the
faux-attack on Israel by Iran a few months ago.
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FYI...the link to The Communist you provided doesn't go to the CPUSA's web site
but to a split split group, the "PARTY of Communists, USA". This part ALSO just
had a split! Over the issue of Zionism, it seems.
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The CPUSA just purged *dozens* of chapters (like from a few days ago). So much
for not being "manipulative". Workers World party is not "Trotskyist", on
should strive for accuracy here. The hold no specific Trotskyist positions and
reject the label.
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FYI...that last party you noted the PCUSA also split in two on Sunday.
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...except it's not the "Russian Donbass" it is Ukrainian.
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I would argue that this is a deep hole to slide into when one gets into "two
stage" revolution vs permanent revolution. My feeling is that we could have
this discussion but it is fraught with polemical over-hype and mudslinging. As
of now I'd suggest we avoid it. My opinion only.
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Not a problem Marv...but that is between you two (and me, I'd like to think)
but when others chime in to defend their historical sensibilities, that is a
resort to dogma, then it becomes a problem. Anyway...I agree about defense of
regimes under attack by Imperialism.
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When I was on vacation a few weeks ago in Hawai'i, there were several Israeli
families there. They all planned to return, though "when" was up in the air.
I think if you look around the time starting with the 2nd Intifada (the one
where groups were planting bombs on buses in Tel Aviv and Jerusal
>From rather extensive reporting and in talking to travelers who visit, over
>the years Maduro has lost the poorest neighborhoods. Posters of Chavez still
>adorn many of the streets unmolested. Maduro's get graffitied out.
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There is a whole lot of stuff that contradicts the "Japan was ready to
surrender". Mostly revolving who contacted the Swedish Ambassador to pass it
along to the U.S. That is what wing of the Japanese government was offering the
claim. I haven't read all the sources, there are too many, but it se
I appreciate Dennis' postings on this. They were very informative and its good
NEVER to not talk about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as they will always remain
blights on our species history.
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If Stalin and Hitler say that 2 + 2 = 4 it doesn't make it wrong. I have over
years found some worthwhile history on their web site. This one is not that as
it is full of nonsense conspiracy theories. If you see "Open Conspiracy of H.
G. Wells" (as a sub-head in the article notes) skip the artic
Most of you know that Ukraine's armed forces entered the Kursk Oblast of the
Russian Federation about 5 days ago. They have made stunning gains crossing two
entrenched lines of defense with almost no stopping. AT worst, this represents
a huge intelligence failure on part of the Russian military
Folks, regardless of how one sees the coming U.S. elections in November, I
think John's essay here is very good. I read https://www.democracydocket.com/
as well, it is quite frightening what the GOP proposes and is organizing for,
which is a legal coup to eliminate the franchise as a way of dete
The one John cites on his blog. My made really a general comment: no one covers
the erosion of formal capitalist democracy and the violations of the Bill of
Rights like Democracy Docket. When I saw it though, it was actually referenced
on another YouTube video. Then I read the essay itself here:
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The one John cites on his blog. My main point really is a general comment: no
one covers the erosion of formal capitalist democracy and the violations of the
Bill of Rights like Democracy Docket. When I saw it though, it was actually
referenced on another YouTube video.
I divide the denialists differently. Those that believe it IS happening but it
is not human caused/aggravated and those that deny it is happening at all.
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Avram, please prove that Mark B supports the "permanent colonization of Ukraine
by Russia"? Even Ukrainians don't support that. Having said that it would be a
very political stunt if the AFU announced they are going to hold a referendum
there (with a 98% approval vote
I wrote the following to a private email list. Some of this I may of stated
here already.
[I haven't being paying much attention to the battle in Ukraine for almost a
year, not until this week when one couldn't avoid it if one wanted to. The
"boring" part of the news until this week was the slo
This is not new at all. The overwhelming majority of Israelis supported the
counter-attack on HAMAS. It get's dicey as many/most support a ceasefire as
well so long as the hostages are in play. This works also for the gov't as it
"allows" them politically to continue the attack on Gazans "foreve
I believe it is important to respond to Abraham's comments. In every case
cited above, the discussions, positions, pronouncements were about a reality
for the per-Holocuast Eastern European Ashkenazi Jews the majority of whom
spoke their own language, Yiddish, and were for intents and purposes,
Russia has declared both Donestk and Luhansk as "part of Russia" trouncing on
Ukraine, a much weaker nation. But that is not all. Russia has also declared
both , Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia, Crimea, and Kherson oblasts (states/provinces) to
be part of Russia. Why? Because it satisfies Putin's belief t
It makes total sense that the GOP would try to get West and the GP on the
ballot. Why wouldn't they?
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Mark, in all honesty, I couldn't give a shit was West accepts or not. This not
a working class campaign so I have little interest in it's "success" at all. In
general anyone with the vaguely "leftist" politics of West should reject and
oppose, loudly, any other capitalist party giving him back h
I agree with Charles and Mark, in a way...first, neither the West nor Stein
campaign are seen as "socialist" by any operative for the two parties of Wall
St. That doesn't mean, Mark, that having ANY party on the ballot that can
siphon votes away from the Democrats for the GOP advantage the GOP
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Mark, in all honesty, I couldn't give a shit what West accepts or not. This not
a working class campaign so I have little interest in it's "success" at all. In
general anyone with the vaguely "leftist" politics of West should reject and
oppose, loudly, any other capital
If you want the original Engels editing of Capital I, it is available here:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/
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[ The U.S. Constitution has NO mention of a god other than the then standard
method of dating a document using the term “in the year of our lord.” This
appears once in Article 6 of the Constitution]
So...this issue has recently been turned up in far-right/Christian nationalist
circles and in go
The entire basis of the Chinese claim to essentially the ENTIRE South China Sea
(SCS) stems from the Qing Dynasty until it was put to the dust bin of history
by the Chinese Nationalists lead by Sun Yat Sen. Both the Nationalists and the
CCP continued the Imperial claim to all of the SCS. See the
FYI...stop calling the PSL "Trotskyist". No Trotskyist consider them as such,
and most importantly they REJECT the label as they don't have any common
historical or programmatic Trotskyist positions.
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Charlie, the "parent" argument is assigning generational guilt to an
organization that *factually* has little do with Trotskyist politics or
program. Each of your points is flawed.
1. WORKERS WORLD argument. Only 1 issue of the Workers World newspaper, it's
very first, identified with the Fourth
I don't understand. Trotskyism came into being in other to build a political
opposition to Stalin and the bureaucracy, in the USSR and the then existing
Comintern. PSL doesn't even care that debate ever existed. Not sure how this is
a "sickness"?
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I think it is somewhat stale as well, Marv. I wasn't trying to defend PSL
politically or attack "Stalinism" but rather trying to set the record straight
from cheap shots at a left group that has no resemblance to what it is being
charged with.
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> "Composer Michael Tippett "was certain in his belief – typical for a
> Trotskyist of the day – that it was better to overturn the British Empire
> than the German dictatorship. ‘My one hope is that the British Empire will
> go under and Hitler win […]. I hate the Empire as I hate nothing else.
I think your last sentence is quite accurate. They (Trotsky in particular)
believed that either Hitler would win the War and smash the USSR or there would
be political revolution there and socialist workers revolution in the
Imperialist countries. Prognostications by him and his supporters were
Hi Hari,
was there a link you could provide for this?
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The problem, Marv, is almost insurmountable. Despite everything you write being
true, the fact is it is possible to break the GOP monopoly in Texas and their
majority (not a monopoly, yet) in Florida. Of course that would only benefit
the Democrats but that in and of itself would significant in
Marv, in your view, how is has the U.S. "encroached" on China's borders? (we
won't bring up Ukraine here because it complicate any discussion)
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Marv, in your view, hw has the U.S. "encroached" on China's borders? (we won't
bring up Ukraine here because it complicate any discussion)
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I think it might be a false analogy...largely because that is exactly what
China is doing...with every country bordering the SCS1000 miles from any
Chinese territory. But that wasn't really my question...my question Marv is how
is the U.S. encroaching on the Chinese borders. That is what you
ML Today states facts on the SCS without taking a POV on China's claim but
leans against it, it appears. Could find anything from the Canadian CP.
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No one mentions the fact that in Dec of 1978 Vietnam invaded Cambodia to get
rid of the genocidal Pol Pot regime. The invasion by China was *primarily*
meant to stymie the influence of having BEATEN U.S. Imperialism and their
puppet regime. The Kmer Rouge were proxies for China and once the Viet
*WHERE I STAND*
I think John's description of the debate was accurate. Trump got trounced
because he allowed himself to be baited constantly by an assertive Harris who
looked at him in the fact with Trump never raising his eyes. Trump's lies were
truly outstanding, idiotic, and won him no votes
Since the advent of Trump and, in reality, starting after 9/11, the liberal
Democratic Party milieu have become "institutional boosters" of the State
including and most notably members of the Dept. of Defense (Army, etc). As
Trump has laid into the DoD the stronger liberals and Dems have been to
Mark, yes the FI such as it was (in exile, in prison, underground) via their
agents in London and New York supported the PMP. Though, of course, not all of
them.
But I've never found a "revolutionary defeatist" document in the SWPs internal
bulletins or printed in The Militant. This is one of t
@ Marv: Yes, the SWP (and the RCP in the UK) *realized* their former position
was not quite out of date given the turn in politics after Pearl Harbor. So the
anti-war line was dropped completely. What remained and is important, is their
analysis did not change. They correctly viewed this as an I
Both sides there use high level recruitment videos such as this. I've seen a
few Russian ones and I'd never know the difference without a score card.
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Under point 7, you have " The Revolutionary Communist International Tendency
(RCIT) calls to vote neither for Trump nor for Biden,.." Might want to change
that to Harris.
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So let me get this straight...giving US IMPERIALIST aid to the USSR was somehow
"class collaboration"? Or British aid to the Yugoslav Partisans was wrong the
part of the Partisans? Or that had the Nazi's kept control of Europe, that's OK
with you if the only way to actually win against the Nazis
The article for the link takes the reader to one by Ilan Pappe...not Scott R.
What am I missing here?
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No, one doesn't need a constitutional convention, one needs it to pass the
house and senate but super majority, signed by the President (I think) and then
3/4 of the states have to approve it. Amending the constitution is spelled out
clearly in the constitution itself.
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Interesting. The MIA uses the original Engels translation. I haven't checked to
see if the new one, with Mandel's introductions (Vintage) have been put on the
MIA but I doubt it due to copyright issues.
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Steve, interesting prognostication. I don't see any of what you say actually
happening. Yes, there will be *some* realignment...the last big one was between
1980 and 1982 when the "Reagan Revolution" occurred and a swath of reactionary
Democratic senators from the South (and one from Colorado) c
At no point did Trotsky or the Left Opposition call for or advocate the
"restoration of capitalism". Made up from the minds or sycophants of Grover
Furr. Criticizing the methods of the Soviet Bureaucracy doesn't amount to
capitalist restoration.
Secondly, the first Time Trotsky or the Internati
Mark, what do you mean by this statement
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> "...the debate over whether to vote for the Democrats is irrelevant since
> it is already decided who will win in most US states."
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BTW...what makes you think he was a "comrade" of Trotsky's? Can't find much on
him that would indicate this.
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..and how many has Hamas lost?
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Duane...have you read Trump's position on Gaza and the West Bank?
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it does actually look very interesting. I see, still, that only in the academy
and some activist communities is the term "Latinx" actually used. I've never
heard it, once, in a conversation in the Latino communities where I live
including my own family.
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San Francisco City elections are ranked choice. It is a LOT more democratic
than what exists now and it allows 3rd electoral parties to be a more serious
choice. I'm not sure how it would work nationally but it would be better than
the idiotic system we have now.
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Yes, it has been discussed on CNN and ABC a number of times. That the total
number of voters has dropped by over 10 million.
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Charlie Rachlis what is the "PT" you reference?
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And how does the Constitution get amended?
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> Two-thirds of both the House of Representatives and the Senate must vote
> in favor of the amendment. Alternatively, two-thirds of state legislatures
> can request a convention to propose amendments.
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I don't see that happening with the current
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> in favor of the amendment. Alternatively, two-thirds of state legislatures
> can request a convention to propose amendments. The amendment must then
I will take issue with Khalid Bhakdash's comments from 1932, during the period
when the ultra-left "3rd Period" was winding down. Here Khalid Bhakdash's
comments indicate opposition to cross class alliances as in this comment: “the
party never went beyond the rightist positions of support for th
Thank you Hari, as always, for your response.
No, I didn't understand what "Revisionist" means (capital "R" no less) since it
is always a relative term. Usually it has to do with some one disagreeing with
one's own interpretation of "Marxism" or "Leninism" or "Trotskyism" and it is
OK, IMHO, to
While the "Cold War" was between the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. and it was a
confrontation between a workers state in the U.S.S.R. and a capitalist one, the
term itself is applicable to any conflict between any states regardless of
social system. The U.S. beligerancy toward China (brought on in som
No, they have to respond, that's all. Sure, it can't be a wimpy response but it
can't BE stronger since the Lebonese don't have a way to really deliver such a
strike as Israel has been doing for the last week. Much of Hez. missiles were
wiped out in these Israeli Air Force raids. They still have
Now that Israel has decapitated much of the Hezbollah leadership, destroyed its
ability to communicate and wipped out half the Party of God's missile supply
(no one knows how much damage the IDF did do to all of this but clearly it was
substantial) they have sent tanks and IFVs (Infantry Fightin
There is no movement to repeal and change those section of the Constitution
that establishes the Electoral College as the means of choosing the President.
There IS however a very strong movement called National Popular Vote Interstate
Compact. As part of the Constitution amended a few times, is
Interestingly, the "best thing" that could happen to push this over the top is
if Trump wins the popular vote but fails in the EC vote! Most American voters
support eliminating the EC altogether and that includes in many red states as
well.
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I agree Charlie that we do NOT want a Constitutional Convention (Constituent
Assembly in more Marxist parlance). But the last big fight over the
Constitution was the battle of the Equal Rights Amendment which failed but
there was no hint of a Constitutional Convention being invoked at all. That
I'm against this concept of "punishing" the Democrats. It is not a serious
political strategy or tactic, IMO. The result of course would be a Trump
victory who is now arguably *worse* than Harris regarding Palestinians and who
*endorses* the West Bank settlements and uncritical support for the g
Because Trump is going to be s much better? Really?
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It is necessary to STOP labeling people and stick to the issues, not list
members political personalities. This means you Duane. Secondly, idiotic and
quite false counter-labeling like "Trotskyite" (itself a pejorative term) vs
"communist" is simply trolling. Secondly, for most of us, "Stalinist
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It is necessary to STOP labeling people and stick to the issues, not list
members political personalities. This means you Charlie and whoever is
repeating this. Secondly, idiotic and quite false counter-labeling like
"Trotskyite" (itself a pejorative term) vs "communist
Different time, really. Cockburn was dead. Secondly, it is less of an issue
when dealing, IMO, with historical positions especially are regards the
polemics that existed between the different wings of international communism,
divided as they were between the "Stalinist" wing and the "Trotskyist"
The topic is kind of interesting and the author raises several issues. I don't
think based on large gap between what Russia says it will do and what it
actually does that any of this will lead to "WWIII". Hitting another 100km
Russian military targets will provoke an ICBM response from Russia. T
I agree with Mark B on this. I believe Sartesian was simply overstating his
case. A wing of the capitalists have supported tariffs, not the ruling class as
a whole. Most actually oppose them which I glean from the fact that only the
talking heads in economic studies have commented favorably (a m
Duane, stop. Just fucking stop these attacks on Hari or anyone else. This is
not productive and it elucidates absolutely nothing. This is pure trolling.
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The KCTU is the second largest union in S. Korea with somewhere over 500,000
members. The more conservative KFTU has about 3 times that number.
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Small response to a small part of Hari's question/comments: the SEP, from what
ex-SEPers have told me have between 80 to 200 depending on the month/year as
they have something of a rotating membership of people joining, becoming
disillusioned and then dropping out. That is in the U.S. of course.
They are IN Damascus according to both the BBC and CNN. Government troops are
fleeing. The rebels have captured now MIGs and armor. Anything can happen at
this point.
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It reeks of Russian chauvinism in a big way. I agree Mark. Most Syrians, on
both sides of the conflict, would reject this sort of Imperialistic
intervention.
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Duen writes:
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> David persists in fighting a losing battle, flogging his radioactive dead
> horse, "Pirani revolves his POV around the need to build out solar and
> wind. Mine is to build out nuclear"
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A losing battle? Do tell? One of the things that non-energy interested folks
do, is a
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> David, Is that what we want? More energy? More poison to accumulate, or
> eventually to be dumped on the lands of the least powerful?
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Mark, are raising literally 3 distinct issues.
1. YES, we need more energy. We need a LOT more energy in order to get OFF of
fossil fuels, our common go
First, to answer "Modulas" what you write is factually accurate. But the costs
to extract uranium from seawater is about 10x what the current price-per-pound
is, or even more. The article is a good one and both the Chinese and Japanese
are working on this technology. So, technically, uranium is
Good question. We use about 70,000 tons a year as fuel for reactors and for
military weapons. Uranium, like any raw material commodity under the political
economy of Imperialism reserves of it depend on what the price may be, per
pound, at any given time. When the price goes down, the "amount" o
Kurds in IRAQ do have a relationship with Israel and have for a long time.
Kurdish political organizations in Iraqi Kurdistan are very conservative
politically. But Kurds in Syria, are generally fairly leftist in terms of their
organization. Despite working with the U.S. against ISIS, they are s
Hi Mark, well, FYI, there are a LOT more than 5 "internationals, so ya' know.
Irrelevant to anything substantial. What makes this statement important is that
it is from the the "international" dominated by the PTS of Argentina, the
largest self-proclaimed Trotskyist party in the world as I under
Hari, I think Mark did a good job of Trotskyist spotting some/most of the
Trotskyist internationals out there. There are more not mentioned and I'm not
inclined to count all of them as it is sort of an apolitical exercise. Always,
almost, these groups split for same reasons your M-L groups have
I think, Hari, it is quite a fascinating question historically for the Marxist
left. One of the reasons that I set up the Encyclopedia of Anti-Revisionism
Online was that I wanted to see the actual origin of "post Stalin socialism" as
it effect the U.S. primarily but also the Imperialist countri
Their core group comes from the split in the SWP back in 1965 and
are...polemically trained...by almost 60 years of this stuff. Figure all they
do are polemics, right? Their leader, "David North", has bucks as he privatized
their presses and set up their printing business in Michigan that makes
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> Mark - "the Bolshevik leadership also supported the violent suppression
> of the Kronstadt rebellion"
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Interestingly so where the members of the Workers Opposition (and I think the
Democratic Centralists opposition as well), on the front line to suppress
Kronstadt.
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This is one of the better essays out there on the falsehood of Furr's
conclusions. Amazingly well written. I want to add something else: WHY did any
of the defendents...all of them for that matter...confess at all? Furr doesn't
explain this.
Secondly, there was not right to examine evidence by
You missed my point Mark. Yes, the 10th Party Congress about the same time as
the Kronstadt rebellion. My point is that neither the Workers Opposition nor
the DCs had any sympathy for them despite similarities between what the
Kronstadters were fighting for and the WO/DCs were advocating. Yes, b
Right ALL of them...? Is this supposed to be serious? HUNDREDS if not
eventually thousands of defendants and no defense "because they didn't want
any". Such nonsense and it's obvious ALL of them were railroaded.
David
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