If your 'partner' repeatedly gets blacklisted, or you ask to be
'delisted' before you take care of an issue (say a virus is sending
out spam, and you ask to be delisted while still infected), they will
ignore you.
-A
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Eduardo Silvestre
wrote:
> Hello John,
>
> t
On the note of trying to be a good netzin, should I publish a SPF
record for a domain that should never be used to send e-mail?
Would "v=spf1 -all" cause milters to reject all mail from the domain?
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That's a *great* document. It even answered my question about abuse@.
Thanks for the pointer.
-A
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Kurt Andersen (b) wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn
> wrote:
>>
>> On the note of trying to be a good netzin,
I have two clients (different mail servers on wildly different IPs)
that suddenly can't e-mail anyone that uses mxlogic.net for spam
filtering.
They don't appear to be on any blacklists, and the messages don't
appear to be spammy to me.
In all cases, I'm getting the following useless error:
p01c
week*), they
replied with "That IP was on our firewall. It has been removed."
It only took threatening to contact every domain we couldn't reach and
convincing them to ditch mxlogic before they fixed it.
-A
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote:
> I have
I have been using policyd-weight in my spam filtering chain for a long time.
I have a client that received hundreds of messages per day from a 3rd
party that uses outlook.com.
In the last few days, this 3rd party has been getting 2-3 messages
bounced per day and they are complaining that my spam
Yeah--I was wondering about that too.
I have "exercised" my 5th amendment right on several occasions and
have never been arrested for doing so.
Not to get even more off-topic but in the state of Oregon, there are
only 3 things an officer *MUST* absolutely arrest you for (i.e. he/she
has no discret
The BOFH has been doing this for years. Just route all your mail to
/dev/null. Never see spam again.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/24/bofh_2006_episode_8/
-A
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Jay Hennigan
wrote:
> On 1/14/16 7:43 AM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry; I didn't get
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:02 PM, John Levine wrote:
> > What get's spammers caught is that eventually they
> >have to sell you something
>
> Gee, did we drop through a wormhole into 1998 or something?
>
He's missing a few somethings.
Spammers might not be trying to sell you something.
They cou
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Hal Murray wrote:
>
> How much is their non-delivery problem costing them? Be sure to include
> lost-time as well as charges that show up on a bill
>
Dealing with everyone except Microsoft took about 20 minutes. Over 8
years, this is the first time it's come up.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Michael Wise
wrote:
> We **ARE** working on making it easier…
>
>
>
> Witness this (granted, if’s for Exchange Online, but):
>
>
>
> https://sender.office.com
>
Handy. I'm stashing that link away.
> Is that shack for rent on weekends?
>
Yes.
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Michael Wise
wrote:
> Has the customer signed up for JMRP or SNDS?
>
> Because if not, that would be step #0; see below.
>
Nope.
This seems especially bad to me.
Is every mail provider out there going to create their own pet reporting
system that requires an acc
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Jay Hennigan
wrote:
>
> Am I just grumpy this week?
>>
>
> Kinda.
The desire to move to a small cabin in the woods and never hear the words
'e-mail' or 'Microsoft' ever again sounds perfect right about now--so I
guess I am grumpy. ;)
> Is e-mail no longer a c
A customer complained to me they haven't been able to e-mail
outlook/hotmail users for "a while".
I talked with their IT department and they said "A few weeks ago we had a
virus that spammed a bunch of people. We cleaned it up and got de-listed
everywhere, but outlook.com is still broken".
They
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Hugo Slabbert
wrote:
>
> They're welcome to run their own server at near-zero maintenance cost.
> But, if that mode of operating the mail server results in other mail
> systems being negatively impacted and the admins of those mail systems then
> taking corrective
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Michael Peddemors
wrote:
> On 16-03-18 11:28 AM, Rodgers, Anthony (DTMB) wrote:
>
>> Dropping Email has been acceptable ever since unwanted email has occurred.
>>
>
I suppose it's your server, do what you want.
If I was your customer, I'd be pissed that you silen
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Michael Wise
wrote:
> Oh wait, that means we have to get 10x the number of servers ... and data
> centers.
>
> Actually, the measures I outlined require *fewer* servers, less storage,
> and (in most cases) less network bandwidth.
>
> Our engineers tell managem
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Michael Wise
wrote:
> Yes.
> A decade ago our service ran on it.
>
Yeah--that was my attempt at a bad joke.
I would have paid good money to be a fly on the wall during the Hotmail
conversion.
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back in the day, whereas HotMail started out on FreeBSD, if
> memory serves.
>
> Volume has grown from tens of millions of emails daily to tens of
> Billions, again IIRC.
>
> Aloha,
> Michael.
> --
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ----------
> From: Aaro
Looks like the cert for chilli.nosignal.org expired about a month ago.
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fchilli.nosignal.org%2fcgi-bin%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2fmailop&data=01%7c01%7cmichael.wise%40microsoft.com%7cb520e5e9388e431ff62c08d358cbde70%7c72f988bf86f141af
A user sent a message to the django-users list asking for help. I replied
and about 5 minutes later I got a 'bounce' message that is basically a
bounce message laden with spam.
http://imgur.com/Ohn6sPE
Is this a new method of delivering spam? Get 'someone' like
j...@piccloud.com to sign up for
ny other
> spam operation, not enough people mark them as spam, so their email still
> gets accepted. I asked our ESP to avoid sending email to any domain with a
> BIO server in the MX.
>
> Gil
> On May 6, 2016 11:43 PM, "Aaron C. de Bruyn" wrote:
>
> A user sent a
It came in to my GMail account, and I figured I'd mark it as spam. It's
gone now. Sorry.
-A
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Anne Mitchell wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > Weird. I've been involved with mail servers for 15 years, and it's the
> first time I've run in to that.
>
> Without commenting on wha
Go ahead. Nothing needs to be obscured.
Thanks,
-A
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Anne Mitchell wrote:
>
> > It came in to my GMail account, and I figured I'd mark it as spam. It's
> gone now. Sorry.
>
> Ok if I forward over the image, with your info obscured?
>
> Anne
>
>
Apparently my search-fu was bad. I hadn't marked it as spam, but I lost it
in the Master In Pile.
It's a rather long message, so I stuck it here: http://dpaste.com/2D7WMFK
-A
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn
wrote:
> It came in to my GMail account, and I fig
I have a client using Office 365. They have 39 accounts, and they have all
been in use for about 9 months.
This morning one of the users says "no one has been able to e-mail me for
several days".
She was able to get the remote user to forward me details.
Apparently the remote user is a Hotmail
gt;
> --
>
> *Michael J Wise* | Microsoft | Spam Analysis | "Your Spam Specimen Has
> Been Processed." | Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool
> <http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=18275> ?
>
>
>
> *From:* mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mail
rosoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=18275> ?
>
>
>
> *From:* mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] *On Behalf Of *Aaron C.
> de Bruyn
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:43 PM
> *To:* mailop@mailop.org
> *Subject:* [mailop] Tracking Office 365 Delay notic
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Michael Wise
wrote:
>
> No worries! J
>
> $DIETY knows, these things happen.
>
Yup.
I'm not sure if you can comment on one part of my original question. In
this situation the message obviously didn't make it from hotmail to Office
365 because of the expired doma
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Michael Wise
wrote:
>
>
> In this case, if I’m understanding it right, the traffic never got IN to
> the Office365 environment, or if so, it might not have been associated with
> the actual domain in question, but … the number of times I’ve used Message
> Trace ca
I have a client (a law firm) that is unable to e-mail one of their clients
at att.net.
We consistently get the following error:
Failed to deliver to '--redacte...@att.net'
SMTP module(domain att.net) reports:
return-path address <--redacte...@walstead.com> rejected by
ff-ip4-mx-vip2.prodigy.net:
Talked w/ Anne off-list. She was able to get things sorted out.
Thanks again Anne.
-A
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Anne Mitchell wrote:
> Aaron, please contact me offlist with details including your client's IP
> address(es), and we can help.
>
> Anne
>
> Anne P. Mitchell,
> Attorney at
Thanks Fernando. I had filled out that form 3 times over the last month
and had no response.
-A
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On 8/26/16, Anne Mitchell wrote:
> >
> >> Talked w/ Anne off-list. She was able to get things sorted out.
> >>
> >> Thanks again Anne.
> >
Just wondering if anyone else has noticed a *huge* uptick in false
positives with GMail or Google Apps?
Before this week, I'd get one legit messages in spam folder every month or
two.
This week, lots of stuff from mailing lists (several on Google Groups) is
going to spam as well as a few messages
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Renaud Allard via mailop
wrote:
> On 09/02/2016 10:28 AM, Brandon Long via mailop wrote:
> > The spam team would love to send all unauthed mail to the spam label or
> > even reject it (they call it no auth no entry).
> >
>
> IMHO, that would be a good idea. If one
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Laura Atkins
wrote:
> Gmail is pretty smart, they do a “best guess” SPF where if the sending IP
> is the same as your MX then it’s considered authed even if it’s not
> explicitly set. That covers a lot of small servers that aren’t
> professionally maintained.
>
Ye
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Dave Warren wrote:
> They
> can yell and scream all they want about not being a host, but they also
> advertise that "CloudFlare will serve your website's static pages from
> our cache" when your origin server isn't reachable, that falls into my
> definition of bei
Compuserve
or Prodigy or something was ruled to not be responsible for content flowing
through their networks as they are simply the conduit. Wouldn't that apply
to something like CloudFlare?
-A
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Dave Warren wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 21:44, Aaron C.
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Dave Warren wrote:
> There is a difference: CloudFlare serves content on behalf of the site
> owner, my cache does not.
>
> What is your point here?
>
I guess I see it differently. CloudFlare is just a cache. They are a
proxy service. They aren't the host of t
I haven't had experience with any of them, but I have had great
success by sticking a Linux box in front of my Exchange server running
Haraka (https://haraka.github.io/) as a proxy with a handful of
plugins (DKIM, SPF, etc...).
Just an option to consider.
-A
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Aut
Slightly off-topic, but I've seen a lot of responses to the DKIM for
Exchange topic about wrapping Exchange with Postfix.
I ended up switching all our outbound servers to Haraka about 1.5
years ago, and switched out inbound to Haraka about a year ago with
great success.
There have been a few bugs
It exists: http://rfc-clueless.org/ :)
-A
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> Hi Lindani,
>
> we're an italian ESP and we never had success contacting Alice.it postmaster.
> Alice.it is the freemail domain of the biggest telecom operator in
> italy (Telecom Italia, now nam
mains that refuse to accept postmaster@,
abuse@, etc...not domains that accept it and never respond because
it's difficult to automatically detect addresses that never respond.
-A
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 2:06 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> On 7 August 2017 at 17:27, Aaron C. de Bruyn wro
ey host the list, so they have the
> right to write the rules (I can simply explain people why I suggest to
> not use that list).
>
> So I still hope someone will make a list for domains that dev/null
> email to postmaster@domain because rfc-clueless "POSTMASTER" list,
> u
path of the eclipse, so I'm going to retreat to my
underground bunker now as everyone's starting to go crazy around here.
;)
-A
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> On 18 August 2017 at 19:25, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote:
>> As a postmaster or abuse co
There's a link at the bottom of each message where you can unsubscribe.
https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
-A
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Ram Sripracha wrote:
> unsubscribe
>
> On 9/19/17 8:59 PM, mailop-requ...@mailop.org wrote:
>>
>> Send mailop mailing list sub
I think it's the numbers. If they can blast out a few million messages and
even a small percentage of people buy whatever they're selling, they'll
keep it up.
Years ago I worked for an IT company that *knew better*, yet when we
received our business cards they were trashy (white borders around th
A query against their nameservers show multiple MX records being
returned at the moment.
Queries against 8.8.4.4 return MX records for me, but 8.8.8.8 returns:
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;frontier.com. IN MX
;; ANSWER SECTION:
frontier.com. 79773 IN CNAME qathostedassist.frontier.com.
;; AUTHORITY SE
I'm wondering if anyone else can confirm what I'm seeing...
I'm using Google's GSuite to host mail.
DKIM has been set up for a while (years?) and validates against
auto-responders and a hastily set up test mail server.
Creating a calendar item containing external (non-GSuite/GMail) users
works a
It's been about a month for me, but my GSuite account has been
hammered from other GSuite or Gmail accounts and it's all a mix of SEO spam
and "Hire us for your business website" junk. Most of it gets filtered,
but a few per day get into my inbox.
-A
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:22 PM John Levine
On Wed, Mar 6, 2019, 00:01 Philip Paeps wrote:
> I wonder if GitHub cares about their platform being used for harvesting.
>
I wonder if the Yellow Pages cares about their phone book being used by
prank callers. /sarcasm
https://github.com/ppaeps
Make your email address private. Otherwise it'
Hey MailGun,
I opened a support ticket with you a few days ago...your TLS cert is about
to expire on smtp.mailgun.org:25.
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Someone saw the message. Cert just renewed a few minutes ago. :)
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On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 12:36 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn
wrote:
> Hey MailGun,
>
> I opened a support ticket with you a few days ago...your TLS cert is about
> to expire on smtp.mailgun.or
I'm hoping someone at Google with a clue can reach out.
I've been stuck in a 2 hour loop with a tech that knows nothing about email.
Short version:
A client uses GSuite and has an internal fax server that converts faxes to
email. The fax server relays messages through mailgun. It's worked for
ye
The sending email is a no-reply.
Google accepts the message with at 2xx and then logs a bounce in gsuite
with no info.
Someone at Google replied off -list. Apparently it was a group permission
issue, but the GSuite logs don't give a reason, just that it bounced.
And their chat support couldn't fi
>
> Can't speak about the logs, it's been a while since I managed a Google
> Workspace deployment, but I would've guessed the logs would've shown the
> permission issue & bounce?
> On 5/11/24 2:56 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via mailop wrote:
>
> The sending email
On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 9:52 AM Brandon Long via mailop
wrote:
> The workgroup email log search should really have given the reason,
> however. Or if we'd ever added a groups log feature like we did when I was
> at eGroups/Y!Groups.
>
That's what surprised me--zero ability to easily debug this
Gotta hand it to 'em.
Clown Strike is kinda funny. ;)
-A
On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 10:58 AM Mark Alley via mailop
wrote:
> Hey Mailop friends, sharing info here from the email security community.
>
> I'm sure many of you are already *very* acutely aware of the Crowdstrike
> outage going on global
There's life at Google. Just pay for GSuite.
I'm not sure if you can run into the same issue if you have one (and only
one) GSuite administrator (we always have at least 3), but their support is
responsive for paid customers.
I'll pull the pin on this grenade and take the flack, but if you aren'
I've been seeing issues with filtering with my Google Apps for Domains account.
Filtering has been perfect for years. Now I'm getting more legit
e-mail into spam all of a sudden, and more spam into my inbox. (Lots
of e-mail from India offering to design websites for me.)
The bad part is the leg
We have a bunch of satellite offices that relay through our corporate mail
gateway. The mail gateway handles things like scan-to-email from copiers,
email from our internal fax gateway, etc...
Starting Monday morning-ish Google has been one of a few things apparently
at random:
* Accepting the me
I looked through the logs. No duplicate message IDs over a 7-day period.
-A
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 1:33 PM Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> > The second tech arrived at the conclusion that it was the Message-Id
> > header. Messages that were delivered had an externally-resolvable domain
> > as part of
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 1:51 PM Bill Cole via mailop
wrote:
> Not exactly garbage: if it exists, it needs a '@' and the legal content
> is slightly less permissive than the 'addr-spec' definition (i.e. email
> addresses.) Also, it must be unique, so using a real fully qualified
> hostname (i.e. on
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 4:55 PM Brandon Long wrote:
> At this point, it looks like the message-id header is a red-herring (or an
> indication of a different path on their side), the problem is a bug in the
> proxying mail server (haraka) issuing multiple EHLO commands after
> STARTTLS, but only e
I have the same combination on my luggage...
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:14 PM Brandon Long via mailop
wrote:
> By a complete coincidence, Don Woods worked on Gmail related stuff after
> we acquired Postini... but didn't add this code.
>
> Brandon
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 3:45 PM John Levine via
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 8:23 AM Steven Champeon via mailop
wrote:
> I've only ever seen 11 hosts that were
> actually running it.
>
I use it as an 'internal relay' and it works well.
Hundreds of copiers, UPS units, and other low-level network devices use it
as their outbound SMTP server. It does
On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 4:55 PM Michael Peddemors via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
> You think that bad publicity would hurt the stock price.. isn't that bad
> for a CEO's career ;)
>
Why would it? I don't pay Digital Ocean for IP reputation. I pay them to
run a bunch of "droplets" that d
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 1:11 AM Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
> Some DO customers actually do send email from their droplets. Some of them
> aren't even spammers, so I would suspect that for them, bad IP reputation
> probably means inferior deliverability. But you may b
What software is in-use for the mail server, any AV products that might be
intercepting it, and the mail clients?
Have you tried tossing a packet capture on the mail server to see what is
received from your client? Or what the recipient receives when he pulls
mail from his box?
-A
On Thu, Sep 2
Nobody wants to unsubscribe from Costco.
I like my Costco email like I like my Costco purchasesin bulk. ;)
-A
On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 14:58 John Levine via mailop
wrote:
> It appears that Larry M. Smith via mailop said:
> >Ya know, I'm not a deliverability guy; So there's a good chance that
Black Friday mail spam is so "last decade". Apps is where it's at.
I woke up to somewhere around 25 different 'notifications' from Android
apps telling me to subscribe to crap services (i.e. "Sign up for a year of
free ringtones" or "Buy the paid version of this app to stop receiving spam
notific
The important part in that statement is "via mailop".
The mailing list accepted and re-distributed the message.
If you tried to email Noel directly, it probably wouldn't go through.
Noel isn't the only one who blocks linode.
-A
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 7:12 PM Mary via mailop wrote:
>
> You are
I'm hoping someone at Comcast is lurking who can contact me about the "Your
Comcast Business SecurityEdge Activity Report" emails.
At some point a year or two ago a CSR got my email address for a ticket,
and now I'm getting around 30 Security Edge Reports every week for cable
connections that aren
rotman
>
> Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy
>
> Comcast
>
>
>
> *From:* mailop *On Behalf Of *Aaron C. de
> Bruyn via mailop
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 10:05 AM
> *To:* mailop@mailop.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [mailop] Comcast "Secu
FYI - The 'S' in 'Outlook' stands for 'Security'.
-A
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 8:29 AM Scott Q. via mailop
wrote:
> It seems MS is pushing really hard for the 'NEW' Outlook adoption. This
> software, along with Outlook Mobile and myMail (mail.ru), etc, cache
> logon information on their own infra
You're probably thinking of it from the position of spamming people.
It's probably just some automated tool searching for ways to attack various
websites using guessed or stolen credentials.
-A
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 2:06 PM Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
wrote:
> Hello,
> a few days ago someone ma
I ran face first into that a few weeks ago.
An internal app was using Mailgun to send out occasional info and alerts,
and they suddenly stopped arriving.
I was kinda surprised it wasn't an existing feature to clean up bad headers
before passing messages on for delivery.
For bizarre old equipment
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 8:17 AM Paulo Pinto via mailop
wrote:
> What, they cannot tell if the connection is encrypted or not because
> they've ignored the handshake result ?
>
Yeah, their software should be standards-compliant for special
use-cases...but seriously...if it is an issue of the serv
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