Re: Anyone had mail problems with the latest Mac OS?

2023-04-12 Thread Raymond Foret Jr
I have my mail empty the trash out every time I exit mail. but then again, I am using a 2017 Mac book pro 13 inch. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very proud Mac, Xfinity Mobile and Apple TV user > On Apr 12, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Herbie Allen wrote: > > I out the trash the othe

Re: Anyone had mail problems with the latest Mac OS?

2023-04-12 Thread Herbie Allen
I out the trash the other day and that seems to have fixed the problem. > On Apr 12, 2023, at 17:02, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > I haven’t noticed any performance problems either, but the machine is a 2021 > 14-inch MacBook Pro. > You may wish to archive old messages and

Re: Anyone had mail problems with the latest Mac OS?

2023-04-12 Thread 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries
I haven’t noticed any performance problems either, but the machine is a 2021 14-inch MacBook Pro. You may wish to archive old messages and reduce the size of your mail folders if they have grown excessively. > On Apr 4, 2023, at 15:26, Herbie Allen wrote: > > Since updating my system last week

Re: Anyone had mail problems with the latest Mac OS?

2023-04-12 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Hi, I have not seen these sorts of problems, unless you have multiple mail accounts, which require more database and CPU processing. However, one annoyance about mail on the most current MacOS, is that if you use favorites and switch between mailboxes with cmd+1, cmd+2, cmd+3, ETC, Voice Over n

Re: Anyone had mail problems with the latest Mac OS?

2023-04-05 Thread 'Nichole Keck' via MacVisionaries
Herbie, I have had no problems with my wonderful new MacBook Pro M2. This thing just keeps on trucking.. Sorry, Herbie; I know you tried to convince me to send it to you instead, but no can do. Guess you’ll just need a new one . Seriously, not sure what could cause this for you. > On Apr 4,

Re: Anyone had mail problems with the latest Mac OS?

2023-04-04 Thread Brad Snyder
I haven’t noticed any issues with Mail since updating to the new macOS. I know you know this, but I would suggest shutting down your Mac, and restarting. - Brad - On Apr 4, 2023, at 14:26, Herbie Allen wrote: Since updating my system last week, I’ve noticed that my VO seems to become a litt

Re: Anyone had mail problems with the latest Mac OS?

2023-04-04 Thread Suzanne Erb
Hi, I have not noticed this. I have a somewhat older Mac, too, and I have not noticed any sluggishness. Suzanne > On Apr 4, 2023, at 15:26, Herbie Allen wrote: > > Since updating my system last week, I’ve noticed that my VO seems to become a > little sluggish when opening the default mail app

Anyone had mail problems with the latest Mac OS?

2023-04-04 Thread Herbie Allen
Since updating my system last week, I’ve noticed that my VO seems to become a little sluggish when opening the default mail app. I’m running an Intel 2019 Mac. I did not notice anything before the update. I did try some things like clearing out trash and resetting VO> I have also restarted my sy

Still got mail problems

2022-01-16 Thread 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries
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Re: Disabeling Preview in Mac Mail Problems

2019-11-18 Thread 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
Hello, Ok, i’ll give that a try. Thanks. > On Nov 18, 2019, at 2:23 AM, Robert Hill wrote: > > Hi, > > Running Catalina, I check "use column view in the view menu, and that gets > rid of the preview. > > Bob Hill > > >> On Nov 17, 2019, at 3:10 PM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries >> wrot

Re: Disabeling Preview in Mac Mail Problems

2019-11-18 Thread Robert Hill
Hi, Running Catalina, I check "use column view in the view menu, and that gets rid of the preview. Bob Hill > On Nov 17, 2019, at 3:10 PM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Hi, > I already have the preview lines set to 0. > Oh well. > Thanks. > > >> On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:49 AM

Re: Disabeling Preview in Mac Mail Problems

2019-11-17 Thread 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
Hi, I already have the preview lines set to 0. Oh well. Thanks. > On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > Open mail settings and switching to the viewing pane you can find a “list > preview” popup button where you can change from 0 to 5 the number of lines > that are read when

Re: Disabeling Preview in Mac Mail Problems

2019-11-17 Thread Jonathan Cohn
Open mail settings and switching to the viewing pane you can find a “list preview” popup button where you can change from 0 to 5 the number of lines that are read when a message is selected. On my system setting this to 0 prevents this speaking, though personally I do like to be able to hear a b

Disabeling Preview in Mac Mail Problems

2019-11-17 Thread 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries
Hi folks, I have collapsed the horizontal slider but still my previews are being read. Is there another way to disable previews in mail? -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, o

mail problems

2014-10-10 Thread becky sabo
Dear all,I delet mail from my mack. When I re open mail those deleted email are still in my mail folder when it gets open and I have already read the messages. What should I do ? Thanks Becky Sabo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries"

Re: Mac mail problems and frustrations.

2014-09-02 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
This may appear obvious, but be aware that when you start a note to a person by simply selecting an email address, you are not replying, even if you copy or construct an appropriate subject line. Therefore extract the address from the headers (select the address character and then do VO space a

Re: Mac mail problems and frustrations.

2014-09-02 Thread Colin Matthews
Hi! OK when I opened more details in my headers the only option seemed to be to reply to the list! And your name did not seem to be a link! And Alex when sitting on the link in the message like yours below this open VO+shift+m and you get 4 options [well on mine it does] new email, make new cont

Re: Mac mail problems and frustrations.

2014-09-02 Thread Alex Hall
I tried several ways - quick nav, enter, vo-space, interacting with the text and then with the specific linked address - and could not get it to work. On Sep 2, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Pamela Francis wrote: > Hi Alex, > Generally, if I'm on a link in a header like that, I turn quicknav on. I > Use

Re: Mac mail problems and frustrations.

2014-09-02 Thread Pamela Francis
Hi Alex, Generally, if I'm on a link in a header like that, I turn quicknav on. I Use my quicknav keys to activate the link. Please try it in a reply by email off list to me just to see if it works for you. Pam Francis On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, the headers work diffe

Re: Mac mail problems and frustrations.

2014-09-02 Thread Alex Hall
Yes, the headers work differently, but I've never gotten enter to work reliably for activating the links there. The OP wanted to reply to just the sender (off-list), and the best way I've found so far is to reply normally, copy out the email address from the line right below your new message, th

Re: Mac mail problems and frustrations.

2014-09-02 Thread Pamela Francis
Hi Alex, If I am in my mail program on my Mac, looking at the headers, the email address shows up as a link. I then hit enter. If I strictly want to reply to an email, I simply reply to it & I'm done. Pam Francis On Sep 2, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Alex Hall wrote: Generally, yes. However, when you

Re: Mac mail problems and frustrations.

2014-09-02 Thread Alex Hall
Generally, yes. However, when you reply, nothing is turned into a link; if you read your reply later, the address will be a link, but in the message you are typing, it is just text. Perhaps others' experiences are different, or there is a setting I can change? It would certainly be easier to hav

Re: Mac mail problems and frustrations.

2014-09-02 Thread Pamela Francis
Hi Alex, Why would one need to copy The selected email address to the clipboard? Generally, any email address shows up as a link. Why can't one click on the link thereby opening a new email window proceeding with the note one wants to write? Pam Francis On Sep 1, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Anders Ho

Re: Mac mail problems and frustrations.

2014-09-01 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Ok. Thanks for your help. I'd thought your second answer would be the best. But i was just asking if there was an alternative way. Thanks. /A 1 sep 2014 kl. 16:07 skrev Alex Hall : > 1. This happens in any app that uses an updating table - Mail, Twitter > clients, anything. Currently, it cann

Re: Mac mail problems and frustrations.

2014-09-01 Thread Alex Hall
1. This happens in any app that uses an updating table - Mail, Twitter clients, anything. Currently, it cannot be changed or disabled, but please tell accessibil...@apple.com that you would like this to change. Maybe they'll do something about it soon. 2. The easiest way is to hit reply. That m

Mac mail problems and frustrations.

2014-09-01 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! I have two things i need an answer for. First, how do i turn off the annoying message one row added and so on? Is this in the notice center? Second, how do i reply to a sender in a mailing list. Lets say i would like to answer someone on the blindapples list in a private mail. Can i find the p

Re: huge mail problems still

2014-01-03 Thread Steve Holmes
iday, December 20, 2013 1:12 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: huge mail problems still > > Hi, > > Perhaps I am not in quite as much of a hurry as some people. For me, > however, having the information read in the order that it is presented > wo

RE: huge mail problems still

2013-12-20 Thread Eileen Misrahi
that VO-J command. Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Carter Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:12 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: huge mail problems still Hi, Perhaps I am not i

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-20 Thread Robert Carter
Hi, Perhaps I am not in quite as much of a hurry as some people. For me, however, having the information read in the order that it is presented works well for me. I hear the subject a brief preview and whether or not the message is part of a thread. I listen to as little or as much of this info

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-20 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi Nicholas, Yes I get conversation thread information announced last too, but it has stopped bothering me. If I want to know if something is a conversation, I press right arrow. If it opens. it is a conversation, and if it doesn’t open, it’s not a conversation. Cheers Lisette . On 20/12/

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-20 Thread Jim Gatteys
it looks like the only way to change the column order and work with them is to use classic view. Hopefully I am mistaken in this. On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Jessica D wrote: > yes, i have this issue too but the items you mentioned are all dimmed for me. > how do i change this so i can acces

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-20 Thread Jessica D
yes, i have this issue too but the items you mentioned are all dimmed for me. how do i change this so i can access them? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2013, at 11:33 PM, Nicholas Parsons > wrote: > > The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of > messages,

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-19 Thread Jim Gatteys
Nic! have you tried changing the order of columns in your mail? I did it using classic view a long time ago and don't know if you can do it with standard view but it might be worth checking out. Unless, of course, I am misunderstanding your message. Jim On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Nicholas

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-19 Thread Nicholas Parsons
The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-18 Thread alia robinson
fine, but it is for me. I just thought others might want to report it to accessibility as I did. I get about 2000 mails a day, some more than 30 pages in length. you can see how I would be constantly interupted. Alia On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:32 AM, ROBERT CARTER wrote: > Hi, > > I am also using

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-18 Thread Jim Gatteys
It seems like the only time I ever hear the "one row added" is when I am interacted with the message. If not and just reading by pressing enter on it I never hear that. On Dec 18, 2013, at 7:32 AM, ROBERT CARTER wrote: > Hi, > > I am also using gmail with IMAP. I have the popup setting that

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-18 Thread ROBERT CARTER
Hi, I am also using gmail with IMAP. I have the popup setting that says check for new messages set to automatic. I do not have the problem of constantly getting interrupted when new mail comes in. Perhaps you receive a lot more mail than I do but this just isn’t an issue for me. Robert Carter

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-18 Thread ROBERT CARTER
Hi Mary, I am using standard view with threading. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi Robert, > Are you using standard or classic view? And are you using threaded view or > not? > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 17, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Eileen Misrahi

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-18 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
Hi. not having any problems in classic view either. I didn’t do anything to the preview pain though. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 8:09 am, Lisette Wesseling wrote: > Like Robert, I am noticing no issues wit

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-18 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
HI. that’s vo j not command j. I’m not even sure what that command does. I hope this helps Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 8:22 am, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > Please tell meow you are reading mail in standard view? I just press enter > on each message once

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
don’t think you can with gmail and imap. I checked that setting and I just get email anyway. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Rhonda Hornbacher wrote: > Hi, > > You may want to check manually fetch mail, that is how I have it set because > messages kept coming in and interrupting . -- Yo

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Robert, Are you using standard or classic view? And are you using threaded view or not? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: > Hi Robert, > > Thanks for your tip on reading mail using VO-J. I am relatively new to the > Mac and I have been using the

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hi Robert, Thanks for your tip on reading mail using VO-J. I am relatively new to the Mac and I have been using the enter key, but needed to use CMD-W to close the email and then use the backspace key to delete it. Your method to me is more efficient when reviewing a tremendous amount of email

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Like Robert, I am noticing no issues with mail in Mavericks. I am in standard view with preview pane turned on. I am interacting with the messages table and it all works really fine. I know some people prefer classic view and/or their preview pain turned off. Maybe this is the difference. I just

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Please tell meow you are reading mail in standard view? I just press enter on each message once they have been deleted. Is there another better way? I don’t do command J. Thanks. Kawal. On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:09, Lisette Wesseling wrote: > Like Robert, I am noticing no issues with mail in M

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi there, I’m using vo j just fine in standard view. Sometimes, if it doesn’t work suddenly, restarting mail always solves the problem for me. I think it’s just a focus issue which this update hasn’t sorted out, but is probably wider than mail. On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson wrote:

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Rhonda Hornbacher
Hi, You may want to check manually fetch mail, that is how I have it set because messages kept coming in and interrupting . Rhonda On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:04 PM, alia robinson wrote: > when new mail comes in it will interput your reading and say ‘one row added’ > has been doing this since the u

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
Hmm vo j seems to work every time for me. I wonder why it’s different on some systems. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 2:56 am, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > Hi Robert, this is heartening, but since your experience on the list seems to > be the exception rather th

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Alex, I’m wondering what your Header detail is set to. In Mail Prefs, in the Viewing tab, if you have your Header Detail set to all, then it may take more time blipping through those details. I’ve set mine to Custom and only have things like From, To, CC, Attachments and Date. I believe t

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
Hi. sorry I don’t know how to write a script either. regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:23 am, alia robinson wrote: > It seems like it would be easy to do. If I writ

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
It seems like it would be easy to do. If I write a script I’ll probably blow up my processor! :) On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: > HI. that would be a good idea if it’s an option to turn it off. I think it > should be optional for sure though. -- You received thi

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
I am saying vo/j no longer works to read mail with imaps enabled. I prefer to read mail with vo/j since the currsor tracks correctly, and I can click on links without having to vo down or use the item chooser since enter and command o sometimes put me in the header field. On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
Mine isn’t consistent, at times it does, at times it doesn’t. I have no idea why. On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote: > I have to vo-left or right to get into the headers. mine always leaves me at > the first of a mail message when I press return to open. -- You received this

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
HI. that would be a good idea if it’s an option to turn it off. I think it should be optional for sure though. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:15 am, alia robinson wrote: > I realize that, but when it happens five or six times a message it becomes > ted

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Jim Gatteys
Are you saying you have to interact with a message to read it? I do not have to do this, only if I want a link or event or some specific info but just reading I just press enter. On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, alia robinson wrote: > I used to be able to read messages fine. Only if I was in the

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
HI. If I press return or command o I get from and maybe their email address etc. When I press backspace to delete I get inbox iPhone message 1 of xxx etc. If I press vo j I hear the text of the message straight up and then when I press back space it just tells me the next message usually

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
I used to be able to read messages fine. Only if I was in the message list did it say ‘one row added’ once I interacted with text it didn’t read that at all. It is since the upgrade to mavericks, and as I said some of my emails are pages long, so I am doing this ten times an email. Alia On Dec

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Jim Gatteys
I have to vo-left or right to get into the headers. mine always leaves me at the first of a mail message when I press return to open. On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:16 PM, alia robinson wrote: > It puts me in headers, almost everytime. I always have to vo down to get to > text. > On Dec 17, 2013, at

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
It puts me in headers, almost everytime. I always have to vo down to get to text. On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote: > If I open a message with the return key it puts me in the body of the mail > message. Maybe I'm missing something but I can't see the need for vo-j. > seems lik

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
I realize that, but when it happens five or six times a message it becomes tedious. I am simply saying for me, who gets long messages, and lots of them it is making mail unmanageable, that is all. I appreciate help and suggestions, truly I do, but when the work arounds are becoming this annoying

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Jim Gatteys
If I open a message with the return key it puts me in the body of the mail message. Maybe I'm missing something but I can't see the need for vo-j. seems like a lot of extra keystrokes. I have to turn on quick nag if I do vo-j. Can somebody explain? On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:11 PM, alia robinso

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
Hi just press vo a and the rest of the message should resume reading. hth Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:04 am, alia robinson wrote: > when new mail comes in it will interput your reading and say ‘one row add

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
if I do a return or a command O am not focusing in the text fields, so I have to vo down or use item chooser to get to links in mail. If I am doing vo/j alone the currsor moves as it reads. It makes working with links in mail more difficult. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
HI. I’m not really having any problems either. I prefer to use vo j but either way works just fine. If I get the 1 row added message I either just arrow down with quick nav on to read the rest of the message or do a vo a. Blessings! maria and Joe chapman Email, iMessage & fb: bubbygirl1...@gm

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey Ricardo, You use mail exactly the way I use, just enter on a message to open and backspace to delete it. Can you confirm to me that in Mavericks this still works fine. I use classic view in mail, and haven't wanted to upgrade to Mavericks because of all the mail issues but it sounds like th

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Jim Gatteys
What exactly is the hard way? Jim On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:02 PM, alia robinson wrote: > I am getting a lot of mail, and it does interfere greatly for me. with imap > you can’t tell it to do manual retrieval, so yes, it is interupting me every > couple of minutes. for the amount of mail I get

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
HI. I’m not sure that its broken. I think vo is just letting you know that a new message has come in. this might be important information for some. If I press enter on a message vo automatically reads it to me. it’s just that I don’t necessarily want to hear the email address and stuff again

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Jim Gatteys
Hi all! I've been sitting here all morning with my email open and reading lots of messages. I've tried to replicate problems that some seem to be having and I can't. I usually just press enter to open an email and press backspace or delete to get rid of a message. I also did vo-j and had no p

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
when new mail comes in it will interput your reading and say ‘one row added’ has been doing this since the upgrade. On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:59 PM, ROBERT CARTER wrote: > Hi, > > When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message > starts reading immediately. If there i

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
I am getting a lot of mail, and it does interfere greatly for me. with imap you can’t tell it to do manual retrieval, so yes, it is interupting me every couple of minutes. for the amount of mail I get it makes it unuseable. they will either have to fix it or I guess I will have to live with do

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
Hi. it’s the same for me, accept if quick nav is turned off and I’ve pressed vo j then try to arrow through a message it reads the message list, but this works fine if quick nav is on. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 18 Dec 20

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
Hi. if you jget a 1 row added just interact with the text and press vo a to continue reading. It shouldn’t really interrupt that much. Unless you’re getting lots of mail coming in. I hope this helps Cheers Maria sent from mac mini email, & fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com skype bubbygirl1972

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread ROBERT CARTER
Hi, When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion. M

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item choos

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps. Cheers Maria sent from mac mini email, & fb bubbygirl1...@

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
HI. with me at least, vo j just reads the text of the message. if you press enter or command o you hear who it’s from and their email address etc. It just seems a bit quicker to me. I’m not having any problems with vo j though. Blessings! maria and Joe chapman Email, iMessage & fb: bubbygir

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Jessica D
I use item chooser. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:00 PM, alia robinson wrote: > > for me enter never interacts with text, yes it reads it, but more often than > not I am on the header field, and the currsor isn’t tracking as it reads. If > I want to open a link, or review text

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
for me enter never interacts with text, yes it reads it, but more often than not I am on the header field, and the currsor isn’t tracking as it reads. If I want to open a link, or review text I have to vo down and interact with text. that is far more work if I forget to do it, and it’s never con

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, On my machine, a mid 2010 macbook pro, there is no real latency between pressing enter and control O and the message opening. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > Exactly, and that's why

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
exactly, and it worked fine before mavericks and now doesn’t. I am kind of put off by people saying just get used to doing it differently. Obviously something that was working is no longer working, imo that is a bug, and how many bugs am I supposed to be expected to “put up with” before the oper

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
no, you can’t disable it. Alia On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Jessica D wrote: > If you find it to be annoying I think you can disable it somewhere in system > preferences. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM, John Panarese wrote: > >> Yes, one row added will be spoken

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hmmm. I don’t experience the delay at all that Alex is speaking of when I use the return method. It does read the subject though which hasn’t bothered me much. Sometimes, I just VO-left then VO-right and it starts reading the message if I don’t feel like listening to the subject. Later… Tim

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, If you get rid of the Preview Pane so that pressing return/enter opens the message, then the “one row added” does not happen and the focus is directly on the message that you’re reading. Later… Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:04 AM, alia robinson wrote: > voic

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread John Panarese
This is the same for me. I prefer VO-j over the enter method for the reasons Alex and others have expressed in this thread. I only wanted to point out the sounds you were hearing and why. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi Robert, this is heartening, but since your experience on the list seems to be the exception rather than the rule, I think Apple Accessibility needs to let us know what the magic ingredient is to getting VO-J behaving 100% of the time in Mail as it used to. For now the work-around I'v employed

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread ROBERT CARTER
Hi, I am using a 2012 retina MacBook Pro. When I am on the message list in mail and press vo+j, the body of the message is read immediately by VoiceOver. I do not experience any delay at all. Robert Carter On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > Exactly, and that's why I usually use

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Alex Hall
Exactly, and that's why I usually use vo-a as soon as the message opens. In Mavericks, this won't work since the message usually takes so long to load. The clicks don't anny me, and I appreciate them when reading text where something like an embedded address is detected. It is more that there ar

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Jonathan Mosen
The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is that the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the message itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you read hundreds of messages a day. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness te

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Jessica D
If you find it to be annoying I think you can disable it somewhere in system preferences. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM, John Panarese wrote: > > Yes, one row added will be spoken because the inbox is a table and, of > course, new messages will add a new row. I have had

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread John Panarese
Use the sound effects help in the VoiceOver help menu. There are several new sounds for different elements. This is why you hear various sounds when you open a mail message. To me, some are quite helpful. I also think that whether the mail message is HTML or plain text/rich text makes a

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Alex Hall
I know what the new click means, but VO clicks five times after the sender's name where it should click only once. I wouldn't mind so much if the delay wasn't there. I am not sure about html versus text, but I can tell you that ML never did this to me - messages always opened immediately, and no

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread John Panarese
Yes, one row added will be spoken because the inbox is a table and, of course, new messages will add a new row. I have had this behavior going back to, at least, Leopard. The only time you might not is if you are not interacting with the message table. Take Care John D. Panarese Directo

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Alex Hall
In Mavericks, enter works most of the time, but I have had it fail on me. Also, in ML, enter opened a message and read it immediately. In Mavericks, though, the message opens, VO reads the subject as expected, and then it reads the sender's name followed by several clicks. There is then a silenc

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Terje Strømberg
Good advice from Ricardo, backspace to delete. Here in Mountain Lion i need to have full screen in Mail to get Vo + j to work. Maybe you need to have full screen in Maverick Mail too? Take care 17. des. 2013 kl. 14:26 skrev alia robinson : > this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread ROBERT CARTER
Hi, I’m using VO+j to jump from the message list table to the content of a mail message. It works perfectly for me. I see no reason not to use return if that also works. I have the preview pane turned on and am using mail in its default view. I would love to know what is different about what o

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Cheryl Homiak
When what you are used to doing doesn't work for you, it is time to move on and try something else. Vo-j is no longer the best way to handle mail so it's time to adapt in my opinion. -- Cheryl Go beyond the Christmas story this year; meet Immanuel (God with us), Jesus, the crucified Savior, Ch

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi guys, I know this is far from a solution, more just my curiosity but, why not just press enter or command O on the message instead of VO J? For starters, your pressing less keys. Second, it works 100% of the time. When your done, hit backspace to delete or, command W to close the window a

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Richard Ring
Well, it has always done it for me no matter what view I used. You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:26 AM, alia robinson wrote: > this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not s

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread alia robinson
this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a m

Re: huge mail problems still

2013-12-17 Thread Richard Ring
VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added. If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish to read, and when you’re done, press command w. You can have an off day, but y

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