Re: Feature: Support for other citation styles

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/25/2011 07:07 PM, Johannes Wilm wrote: I think this is a non-discussion. Neither one of us can control what Lyx-developers choose to decide in 3-7 years, when LyX3.0 comes out. Make it 10 ;-) Some of us will be retired by then... Abdel.

Re: password to edit wiki

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Ramin Nakisa wrote: > Could I please have a password so I can do this? LyX pavel

Re: Feature: Support for other citation styles

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On 26-4-2011 9:32, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > On 04/25/2011 07:07 PM, Johannes Wilm wrote: >> I think this is a non-discussion. Neither one of us can control what >> Lyx-developers choose to decide in 3-7 years, when LyX3.0 comes out. > > Make it 10 ;-) I like your optimism. Vincent

Re: Feature: Support for other citation styles

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 10:11 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On 26-4-2011 9:32, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: On 04/25/2011 07:07 PM, Johannes Wilm wrote: I think this is a non-discussion. Neither one of us can control what Lyx-developers choose to decide in 3-7 years, when LyX3.0 comes out. Make it 10 ;

Re: Feature: Support for other citation styles

2011-04-26 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Johannes Wilm wrote: > Ok, some parts of the gui for bibtopic support may be reusable then. But > the bibtex-commands involved are different and the latex-commands are > different and the gui will have to give different options. So in the end I > really don't think it makes sense to try to mix the

Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On 26-4-2011 10:13, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > On 04/26/2011 10:11 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >> On 26-4-2011 9:32, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: >>> On 04/25/2011 07:07 PM, Johannes Wilm wrote: I think this is a non-discussion. Neither one of us can control what Lyx-developers choose

Re: possible buglet with French, non-TeX fonts, XeTeX and guillemets

2011-04-26 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Liviu Andronic wrote: > Normally there is a fixed width space between guillemets and the > wrapped text: « asdf ». However, when using non-TeX fonts (Libertine > or Palladio) and compile with XeTeX, the first space is missing: «asdf > ». When, on the other hand, I use TeX fonts (Palatino) and stil

RE: #7414: copy / paste issue in 2.0 RC1 under windows

2011-04-26 Thread Pascal Olivier Gaggero
Hi guys, I cannot remember that, but I am full time administrator on my computer, so I guess it should answer your question. Best regards, Pascal -Original Message- From: LyX Ticket Tracker [mailto:t...@lyx.org] Sent: jeudi 21 avril 2011 22:46 To: pas...@gaggero.ch; lasgout...@lyx.org

Re: Feature: Support for other citation styles

2011-04-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 26/04/2011 10:13, Jürgen Spitzmüller a écrit : At any rate, at least 90% of the bibliography gui stuff will have to be completely redone for biblatex. That's for sure. I do not deny it's a major task. I just think it will get better the more we try to abstract from a concrete package (biblat

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 10:17 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On 26-4-2011 10:13, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: On 04/26/2011 10:11 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On 26-4-2011 9:32, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: On 04/25/2011 07:07 PM, Johannes Wilm wrote: I think this is a non-discussion. Neither one of us

Re: possible buglet with French, non-TeX fonts, XeTeX and guillemets

2011-04-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 26/04/2011 08:54, Liviu Andronic a écrit : On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote: Dear all I'm writing a document in French using RC3 and I spot some dubious behaviour concerning the French guillemets. See attached. Normally there is a fixed width space between guillemets a

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 26/04/2011 10:25, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Shouldn't we start with 2.1 first? I guess there will still be 2.0.x bug fix release an that Jürgen will keep maintain them. Yes; no. I'd like to propose that 2.x release are only about GUI improvements and code cleanup. IOW 2.x should keep th

Re: possible buglet with French, non-TeX fonts, XeTeX and guillemets

2011-04-26 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Liviu Andronic wrote: >> Normally there is a fixed width space between  guillemets and the >> wrapped text: « asdf ». However, when using non-TeX fonts (Libertine >> or Palladio) and compile with XeTeX, the first space is missing: «asdf

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 10:29 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 26/04/2011 10:25, Abdelrazak Younes a écrit : Shouldn't we start with 2.1 first? I guess there will still be 2.0.x bug fix release an that Jürgen will keep maintain them. Yes; no. If not Jürgen then who? You? I'd like to propose that

Re: possible buglet with French, non-TeX fonts, XeTeX and guillemets

2011-04-26 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >>> Normally there is a fixed width space between  guillemets and the >>> wrapped text: « asdf ». >>> >> We're talking about a thin space missing here ("\,"). See attached. >> Liviu > > What is the TeX output? I am not sure that quotes

Re: possible buglet with French, non-TeX fonts, XeTeX and guillemets

2011-04-26 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > I am not sure that quotes output has been > adapted to xetex and friends. Note also that the extra space only > appears when the document is in french. Polyglossia seems to support it. Here is the relevant excerpt from my log: ) (/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf-dist/

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > Yes; no. > > If not Jürgen then who? You? You. Seriously, this is not decided yet. I have to talk to some people in the next days (I will not write names now so they cannot hide). I'll post some more info here soon. Jürgen

Re: possible buglet with French, non-TeX fonts, XeTeX and guillemets

2011-04-26 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> I am not sure that quotes output has been >> adapted to xetex and friends. Note also that the extra space only >> appears when the document is in french. > > Polyglossia seems to support it. Here is the re

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 10:43 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Yes; no. If not Jürgen then who? You? You. Bouh!

Re: r38496 - lyx-devel/trunk/src/insets

2011-04-26 Thread Tommaso Cucinotta
Il 25/04/2011 14:56, rgh...@lyx.org ha scritto: Author: rgheck Date: Mon Apr 25 14:56:09 2011 New Revision: 38496 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/38496 Log: Fix crash when there are text insets in a table cell with decimal alignment. This is discussed in these threads: . . . and the te

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: >>> I'd like to propose that 2.x release are only about GUI improvements and >>> code cleanup. IOW 2.x should keep the file format unchanged. >> >> How are you going to do that? No format change? This is not going to >> happen. > > Why not? Why should be rush in changing t

Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
> Shouldn't we start with 2.1 first? Yes. > > I guess there will still be 2.0.x bug fix release an that Jürgen will keep > maintain them. We should ask Jurgen whether he wants to continue doing this job, then we should query whether there are other candidates and then we would need to organize

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 10:48 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I'd like to propose that 2.x release are only about GUI improvements and code cleanup. IOW 2.x should keep the file format unchanged. How are you going to do that? No format change? This is not going to happen. Why not? Why sh

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > > I guess there will still be 2.0.x bug fix release an that Jürgen will > > keep maintain them. > > We should ask Jurgen whether he wants to continue doing this job Actually, I wanted to wait some more days until I have talked with potential succesors, but since i

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 10:59 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: I'd like to propose that 2.x release are only about GUI improvements and code cleanup. IOW 2.x should keep the file format unchanged. 3.0 would in this scheme introduce a new file format, maybe XML, maybe not. You're just moving up the min

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Liviu Andronic
Slightly off-topic.. On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > I'd prefer to continue with the current versioning scheme and introduce > LyX3.0 when there is a significant change, or when we think LyX has taken > another step in maturity. > In this sense the decision to st

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > I'd prefer to continue with the current versioning scheme and introduce > LyX3.0 when there is a significant change, or when we think LyX has taken > another step in maturity. +1 > Git uses another level in-between, but I think that is a bit too much > given the fa

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > That's also why time between releases are sooo long... 2 or 3 releases > every six without file format changes sounds very appealing to the user > that I am. To the developer, this means that his pet feature will arrive > sooner to the users. > > The file format change

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
>> Git uses another level in-between, but I think that is a bit too much >> given the fact that there are not that many developers testing other one's >> features to the bone. We just don't have manpower to do that. > > git branching is nice for development where you have hundreds of people > ar

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > What happens is that the topic branches are _really_ regularly merged into > the "development" branch which stands on top of the "trunk" branch and which > developers should use in stead of "trunk". this looks good. > The more advantageous users that want to use "t

Trunk freeze, 2.0.0 landing

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
hi all, trunk is frozen from now on, all commits to code must have my OK. i'm waiting for a few last localisaztion contributions but apart from it we are done. either wed or thu evening i'll prepare tarballs. anything important you still want to have in 2.0.0? something new about #7490? pavel

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On 26-4-2011 12:32, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >> What happens is that the topic branches are _really_ regularly merged into >> the "development" branch which stands on top of the "trunk" branch and which >> developers should use in stead of "trunk". > > this looks good. >

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > > i'm not convinced about this, but perhaps only trying it can show us... > > to me each new layer just divides the number of testing people. if somebody > > want stable trunk for usage and not development he should stick to alpha/... > > According to the current pr

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
Two notes about the bugs in the bug tracker: - Please do not blindly retarget all bugs with a 1.6.x milestone to 2.0.x. Let's only target bugs for 2.0.x which we think should be fixed in this cycle. Bugs that haven't been touched or looked upon in the last two years, surely don't deserve thi

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > Two notes about the bugs in the bug tracker: > > - Please do not blindly retarget all bugs with a 1.6.x milestone > to 2.0.x. Let's only target bugs for 2.0.x which we think should > be fixed in this cycle. Bugs that haven't been touched or looked > upon in th

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
> unless the branch is merged into some kind of trunk that means they will have > incongruent version of file format. if they are just users, thats showstopper > with dataloss possibility due to some lyx2lyx chaos later. I assume a user wants to use/try the new feature not before it is stable and

Re: Towards RC4/final release

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Stephan Witt wrote: > > if you added some feature which is not in our manuals yet (or outdated) > > please > > consider to contribute documentation to it as well. (please remember to > > switch > > on the change tracking so our translators see whats happening). > > I feel some responsibility her

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
>>> >>> - We can think of having several branches: e.g., LyX3.0 (or experimental) >>> /LyX2.1 (or development)/LyX2.0.1(or maintenance) >> >> There are certainly benefits. > > these were all true. i wouldn't divide development on 3 layers though. > just keeping experimental branch in a working

Re: Towards RC4/final release

2011-04-26 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 26.04.2011 um 13:21 schrieb Pavel Sanda: > Stephan Witt wrote: >>> if you added some feature which is not in our manuals yet (or outdated) >>> please >>> consider to contribute documentation to it as well. (please remember to >>> switch >>> on the change tracking so our translators see whats

Re: r38496 - lyx-devel/trunk/src/insets

2011-04-26 Thread Richard Heck
On 04/26/2011 04:48 AM, Tommaso Cucinotta wrote: Il 25/04/2011 14:56, rgh...@lyx.org ha scritto: Author: rgheck Date: Mon Apr 25 14:56:09 2011 New Revision: 38496 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/38496 Log: Fix crash when there are text insets in a table cell with decimal alignment. This

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Richard Heck
On 04/26/2011 04:48 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Most "active" developers (I am not) are already using git AFAIK... i dont think you are right (highly depends on Richard) if we count it on the number of commits. i use git personally but i'm not so excited about the change be

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
> I'm not opposed to moving to git, but I do not use it, and never have, so it > would mean some learning here. Well, we'll guide you through. When doing svn-like development, there is not much to learn. If you want to use all git features, you might want to learn, but that's just fun. As said

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Richard Heck
On 04/26/2011 05:04 AM, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: On 04/26/2011 10:48 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I'd like to propose that 2.x release are only about GUI improvements and code cleanup. IOW 2.x should keep the file format unchanged. How are you going to do that? No format ch

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Richard Heck
On 04/26/2011 05:57 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: That's also why time between releases are sooo long... 2 or 3 releases every six without file format changes sounds very appealing to the user that I am. To the developer, this means that his pet feature will arrive sooner to th

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Richard Heck
On 04/26/2011 07:17 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: Two notes about the bugs in the bug tracker: - Please do not blindly retarget all bugs with a 1.6.x milestone to 2.0.x. Let's only target bugs for 2.0.x which we think should be fixed in this cycle. Bugs that haven't been touched or loo

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 02:40 PM, Richard Heck wrote: On 04/26/2011 05:04 AM, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: On 04/26/2011 10:48 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I'd like to propose that 2.x release are only about GUI improvements and code cleanup. IOW 2.x should keep the file format unchanged

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 02:45 PM, Richard Heck wrote: On 04/26/2011 05:57 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: That's also why time between releases are sooo long... 2 or 3 releases every six without file format changes sounds very appealing to the user that I am. To the developer, this means

[PATCH] #7490

2011-04-26 Thread Richard Heck
I did some investigation of this, and maybe we can fix it before we land. It is pretty nasty. Here's the backtrace: 0 raise raise.c 64 0x3726c330c5 1 abort abort.c 92 0x3726c34a76 2 lyx::lyx_exit LyX.cpp 236 0x510568 3 boost::assertion_failed boost.cpp 47 0x460e5d 4 lyx::doAssert lassert.cpp

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Richard Heck
On 04/26/2011 08:57 AM, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: On 04/26/2011 02:40 PM, Richard Heck wrote: The file format change is _the_ reason why people are kept back with older version of LyX. 2 or 3 years time is OK for a file format change but 6 months is obviously not. The problem here is that so

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > I would be glad if we could be more liberal indeed. But then we would also > need bug fixing only releases. If you allow some new big features at one > point, say 2.0.2  and then declare that 2.0.3 will only be about bug fixing > because

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Rob Oakes
I know that I don't really have a vote in this things, but I can't help but jump in on the conversation. > So the idea is to have two parallel development trees, basically: One that is > devoted to changes that do not touch the file format, like GUI improvements, > and one where we can make for

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Rob Oakes
On Apr 26, 2011, at 8:33 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > One possibility is to use the Xfce numbering scheme: odd for > development releases and even for stable releases. For example, 2.0.0 > is the major stable release, 2.0.2 is the minor stable release, 2.0.3 > is the minor development release. Th

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > I'm not advocating to have 3 layers in general. ok, Abdel is :) if i understand correctly there are 3 proposals: 1) 3 trees: - agile (gui things) - trunk (fileformat) - stable 2) 2 trees, 3 trees in freze transitions 3) current scheme with sooner alpha. 1 is mo

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Richard Heck
On 04/26/2011 10:34 AM, Rob Oakes wrote: I'm also worried about what effect it might have on the release schedule. Fragmenting the code might also fragment developers. Would all GUI related changes be automatically merged with the non-GUI branch (meaning that all GUI related bugs also end up i

feature: "page" in import graphics dialog

2011-04-26 Thread Xu Wang
Sure, the user can put it manually under "LaTeX options" but I think it would be helpful to have a text box. This way, LyX could also display that page instead of the first page. Would this be difficult? My guess is that the text box would not be difficult, but displaying the correct page would be

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Richard Heck
On 04/26/2011 10:46 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: I'm not advocating to have 3 layers in general. ok, Abdel is :) if i understand correctly there are 3 proposals: 1) 3 trees: - agile (gui things) - trunk (fileformat) - stable 2) 2 trees, 3 trees in freze transitions 3

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On 26-4-2011 16:46, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >> I'm not advocating to have 3 layers in general. > > ok, Abdel is :) > > if i understand correctly there are 3 proposals: > > 1) 3 trees: > - agile (gui things) > - trunk (fileformat) > - stable > > 2) 2 trees, 3 trees in

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Rob Oakes
Though it's completely arbitrary, a six month release schedule might make sense. Once a year for format changes, once a year for file formats? It seems to have worked well for Ubuntu, KDE and Gnome ... Cheers, Rob

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On 26-4-2011 17:00, Richard Heck wrote: > On 04/26/2011 10:46 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: >> Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >>> I'm not advocating to have 3 layers in general. >> ok, Abdel is :) >> >> if i understand correctly there are 3 proposals: >> >> 1) 3 trees: >> - agile (gui things) >> - trunk (f

Splash.lyx document: LyX Graphical Tour

2011-04-26 Thread Diego Queiroz
Isn't interesting to update the Graphical Tour of LyX? http://www.lyx.org/Walkthrough It is mentioned in splash.lyx document but there is a long time it isn't updated... I think it should be updated with the final release of LyX 2.0.0. --- Diego Queiroz

Re: Translation to Brazilian Portuguese

2011-04-26 Thread Diego Queiroz
And how about the lyx.org site? How to proceed to start a translation of it in Portuguese? And how about a portuguese mailing list? Regards, --- Diego Queiroz 2011/4/25 Diego Queiroz > Thanks Pavel. :-) > > --- > Diego Queiroz > > > > > 2011/4/25 Pavel Sanda > >> Diego Queiroz wrote: >> >

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > file-format changes releases. i must admit that being lately forced to cooperate with people not having full control over the version of LyX installed release cycle of 2 years does not sound so bad to me ;-p 1.5->1.6 took 1,5 years and i dont remember such preasur

Re: Splash.lyx document: LyX Graphical Tour

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Diego Queiroz wrote: > Isn't interesting to update the Graphical Tour of LyX? > > http://www.lyx.org/Walkthrough > > It is mentioned in splash.lyx document but there is a long time it isn't > updated... > > > I think it should be updated with the final release of LyX 2.0.0. the question is: wi

Re: Splash.lyx document: LyX Graphical Tour

2011-04-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 26/04/2011 17:23, Diego Queiroz a écrit : Isn't interesting to update the Graphical Tour of LyX? http://www.lyx.org/Walkthrough Of course, it would be very interesting (and to add some of the most important new features). JMarc

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 05:29 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: file-format changes releases. i must admit that being lately forced to cooperate with people not having full control over the version of LyX installed release cycle of 2 years does not sound so bad to me ;-p Which is exa

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 05:00 PM, Richard Heck wrote: I am still wondering if there is not some way to proceed here that would allow more new features that do not touch file format into the stable branch. It seems to me that the main concern is that some new features that could have been included in 1.6.

Re: Splash.lyx document: LyX Graphical Tour

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 05:30 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Diego Queiroz wrote: Isn't interesting to update the Graphical Tour of LyX? http://www.lyx.org/Walkthrough It is mentioned in splash.lyx document but there is a long time it isn't updated... I think it should be updated with the final release of LyX

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On 26-4-2011 17:34, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > On 04/26/2011 05:29 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: >> Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >>> file-format changes releases. >> i must admit that being lately forced to cooperate with people >> not having full control over the version of LyX installed >> release cycl

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 05:40 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On 26-4-2011 17:34, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: On 04/26/2011 05:29 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: file-format changes releases. i must admit that being lately forced to cooperate with people not having full control over

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 26/04/2011 17:40, Vincent van Ravesteijn a écrit : So we will have (maintenance releases) 2.0.0.0 end of april 2011 2.0.0.1 end of may 2011 2.0.0.2 end of july 2011 2.0.0.3 end of september 2011 (new feature releases) 2.0.1.0 end of october 2011 2.0.2.0 end of april 2012 2.0.3.0 end of octob

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 05:52 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 26/04/2011 17:40, Vincent van Ravesteijn a écrit : So we will have (maintenance releases) 2.0.0.0 end of april 2011 2.0.0.1 end of may 2011 2.0.0.2 end of july 2011 2.0.0.3 end of september 2011 (new feature releases) 2.0.1.0 end of octobe

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
> 2.1.0.0 could happen sooner of course if we think we have reached > something worth releasing (like the bib stuff or the epub export). Yes of course. Given that there are only non-file-format changes, there is no reason not to do that more often. > > Another important argument in favor of freq

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
> I'd drop the stunning releases and increment the major version > at each format change, in this case. Too many numbers. Raising the first number every 2 years leads to 10.0 in 2032. That doesn't seem like a reason not to do it. Anyone objects to this ? > > JMarc Vincent

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
> I'd drop the stunning releases and increment the major version > at each format change, in this case. Too many numbers. I mean LyX-10.0 in 2028 of course ;) > > JMarc Vincent

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
> I'd drop the stunning releases and increment the major version > at each format change, in this case. Too many numbers. Wouldn't this be confusing for the user that suddenly 2.0/2.1/2.2 have the same file format. So he can easily upgrade. He is used to having a stable file format only during the

Re: Splash.lyx document: LyX Graphical Tour

2011-04-26 Thread Diego Queiroz
LOL That was not exactly what I was thinking of (lazyness), but I can handle that. I'll work on it this afternoon. :-) BTW I think it won't take a long time to just update the images. It will be ok if I use LyX 2.0.0 RC3, right? --- Diego Queiroz 2011/4/26 Pavel Sanda > Diego Queiroz wrote

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Johannes Wilm
Will this mean that we will not be allowed to put bib-information into the header until 2013? On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > > I'd drop the stunning releases and increment the major version > > at each format change, in this case. Too many numbers. > > Wouldn't

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On 26-4-2011 18:12, Johannes Wilm wrote: > Will this mean that we will not be allowed to put bib-information into the > header until 2013? > At the earliest point in time, this will be released in the end of 2012 indeed. This seems long, but in practice we need the time. Fixing all little bugs

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 06:08 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: I'd drop the stunning releases and increment the major version at each format change, in this case. Too many numbers. Wouldn't this be confusing for the user that suddenly 2.0/2.1/2.2 have the same file format. So he can easily upgrade. He is

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Johannes Wilm
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > On 26-4-2011 18:12, Johannes Wilm wrote: > > Will this mean that we will not be allowed to put bib-information into > the header until 2013? > > > > At the earliest point in time, this will be released in the end of 2012 > indeed. >

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
> ok, I can understand that. I just wondered whether there is some > differentiation > in file format changes. For example, adding bibliography-info there, like I > did > with a little test patch, does not mean that the file no longer can be opened > from an earlier version of LyX. I don't know

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > Wouldn't this be confusing for the user that suddenly 2.0/2.1/2.2 > have the same file format. that was my concern as well... p

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Johannes Wilm
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: ... > I know there are different opinions about what a file format change is. > Some people say that every change in LaTeX output is basically a file > format change. That is, the same file gives a different output, and > thus the for

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > we are always seeing new > developers around new releases; 2.0 is no exception. this looks as interesting insight, the more that i do not recognize that ;) isn't it just illusion made by the fact the we are in freeze, rejecting new stuff and (hopefully) nicely expalini

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On 26-4-2011 18:48, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Abdelrazak Younes wrote: >> we are always seeing new >> developers around new releases; 2.0 is no exception. > > this looks as interesting insight, the more that i do not recognize that ;) > isn't it just illusion made by the fact the we are in freeze, rej

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 04/26/2011 06:48 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: we are always seeing new developers around new releases; 2.0 is no exception. this looks as interesting insight, the more that i do not recognize that ;) isn't it just illusion made by the fact the we are in freeze, rejecting n

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On 26-4-2011 18:55, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > On 04/26/2011 06:48 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote: >> Abdelrazak Younes wrote: >>> we are always seeing new >>> developers around new releases; 2.0 is no exception. >> this looks as interesting insight, the more that i do not recognize that ;) >> isn't it just

Re: Splash.lyx document: LyX Graphical Tour

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Diego Queiroz wrote: > LOL > > That was not exactly what I was thinking of (lazyness), but I can handle > that. > > I'll work on it this afternoon. :-) > BTW I think it won't take a long time to just update the images. > > It will be ok if I use LyX 2.0.0 RC3, right? sure pavel

Re: Translation to Brazilian Portuguese

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Diego Queiroz wrote: > And how about the lyx.org site? > How to proceed to start a translation of it in Portuguese? do you intend to create and maintain portuguese version of lyx site? pavel

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Richard Heck
On 04/26/2011 12:18 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On 26-4-2011 18:12, Johannes Wilm wrote: Will this mean that we will not be allowed to put bib-information into the header until 2013? At the earliest point in time, this will be released in the end of 2012 indeed. This seems long, but in

Re: new SVG icon for lyx

2011-04-26 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 25.04.2011 14:37, nbubis wrote: Here's an attempt with a small 'y' :) Thanks again to all the "real" developers for an awesome piece of software - somewhere around the world a future Nobel prize winner is writing his thesis with LyX. Thanks, also looks good. But I was wrong, it's indeed a

RE: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread venom00
> > Shouldn't we start with 2.1 first? > > Yes. This thread is growing fast and I don't know if this is the right place for features, but I've been thinking of some features it would be nice to have in LyX: - scripting: it would be great to allow community to contribute with plugins, maybe for so

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Julien Rioux
On 26/04/2011 11:40 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: new feature releases I would keep the numbering as it is and allow new feature releases once a year. As long as we are careful about the format conversion (and I have seen that this is very serious), then it's not a problem for users to j

Re: Goals and Milestones for LyX3.0

2011-04-26 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 26.04.2011 14:37, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: I'm not opposed to moving to git, but I do not use it, and never have, so it would mean some learning here. Well, we'll guide you through. When doing svn-like development, there is not much to learn. If you want to use all git features, you mi

Re: Bug #7301: New layout for Springer (smono.layout, smult.layout, sjour3.layout)

2011-04-26 Thread Marcus Kriele
I have produced a new version of the layout files, the test files, and the templates. It has been posted to the bug tracker. This new version is now fully backward compatible. However, the style abstract now behaves differently as the current implementation is broken. The following price ha

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Julien Rioux
On 26/04/2011 4:59 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: It would be possible to use svn/git together for one release cycle. I've been maintaining a git repo parallel to the svn repo for the last few months. However, everyone needs to become used to using git, we need to decide on a place to host the

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > I agree. It is stupid to have new and exciting features to be stalled > for two years before being released. acting as the devils advocate, one good thing about the current release model is that we have stable (i mean _STABLE_) 1.6.10 product for people who look for

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 26.04.2011 19:51, venom00 wrote: Shouldn't we start with 2.1 first? Yes. This thread is growing fast and I don't know if this is the right place for features, but I've been thinking of some features it would be nice to have in LyX: - scripting: it would be great to allow community to contr

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 26.04.2011 20:14, Julien Rioux wrote: On 26/04/2011 4:59 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: It would be possible to use svn/git together for one release cycle. I've been maintaining a git repo parallel to the svn repo for the last few months. However, everyone needs to become used to using git

Re: Development for LyX 2.1

2011-04-26 Thread Pavel Sanda
Peter Kümmel wrote: > And one additional advantage of working on one branch is the ability to > "communicate" over this channel, everyone could jump in without switching > the branch. yep, if there is something unusable about git branches its online switching between them. single change in some h

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