Re: Icon when there is no translation (Was: Web site in other languages)

2008-12-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Oh... were you logged in? (They're more difficult to see then). No. I see them when I look for them, but I would not be able to discover that translated pages exist if not looking closely. Any improvement? If it's still not good enough, would bigger flags help? I think the problem is

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-28 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I don't know if we'll have an automatic language switch depending on browser settings. A compromise might be to emphasize the mechanism for switching language if the user's browser is set to another language than the current. This way, if a ja

Re: Icon when there is no translation (Was: Web site in other languages)

2008-12-28 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I think that I would never have found the flags if you did not tell about them. I'd prefer to see them in the sidebar, along wih the rest. Oh... were you logged in? (They're more difficult to see then). Please make sure you are logged out an

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
I don't know if we'll have an automatic language switch depending on browser settings. A compromise might be to emphasize the mechanism for switching language if the user's browser is set to another language than the current. This way, if a japanese user comes to the site he'll more easil

Re: Icon when there is no translation (Was: Web site in other languages)

2008-12-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Moving flags to, say, top-right corner of the main page looks sensible because the flag switches "individual" pages, but I'm not sure if this is too complicated to code or not. I've move the flags with the current functionality, what do you think? I think that I would never have found the f

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-27 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: How do you get this information? For a site I wrote I had something like that: It is probably possible to do something smarter. I would be surpried that it is not handled already. PmWiki does not seem to use it. I checked, and my browser

Re: Icon when there is no translation (Was: Web site in other languages)

2008-12-27 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008, Yokota K. wrote: Moving flags to, say, top-right corner of the main page looks sensible because the flag switches "individual" pages, but I'm not sure if this is too complicated to code or not. I've move the flags with the current functionality, what do you think? I'm n

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-27 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008, Yokota K. wrote: So, I personally think the current design with flags is sufficiently good because it's already noticeable (and we are going to have automatic switch? ;-). I don't know if we'll have an automatic language switch depending on browser settings. A compromi

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Christian Ridderström writes: >> It is the setting `preferred languages' in firefox. Some native >> language versions are set up to prefer some language. For example, >> google acts on it (I think). > > And you think the LyX web site should act on it? (See above regarding > overdoing it..) Well,

Re: Icon when there is no translation (Was: Web site in other languages)

2008-12-25 Thread Yokota K.
I think it's a good idea, but if the indicator of translations sits among other menus, it may be slightly confusing. (In this case, the meaning of flags is slightly different from the one of other menus, isn't it? They are not submenus of Languages menu.) Moving flags to, say, top-right corner of

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-25 Thread Yokota K.
> Well, which will be easier for japanese viewers to easily find? If it's > the english text "japanese" among the other text, or if it's an image with > it written in japanese? (I suspect the latter, but I don't know). Well, of course, if it is written in Japanese language, it's much more easil

Icon when there is no translation (Was: Web site in other languages)

2008-12-25 Thread Christian Ridderström
Hi, I just had a thought... how about the following stragegy. When there exists a translation of the current page, the sidebar contains a link to the translated page (and the primary english page). This could perhaps be done with the following wiki markup: (:if exist WebJa.{$Name}:)

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-24 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: For a site I wrote I had something like that: Perfect, I can give that a try. What should happen when there is no translated page? Should we automatically show the english page? If we do show the english page, I'm at the moment not sure h

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-24 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008, Yokota K. wrote: What do you think of the current change? (Fell free to translate 'Japanese' into japanese) It looks nice. You mean I may translate 'Japanese' into Japanese :) in the main side bar? yes, sorry for being unclear. PS I did look for flags, but so far I've

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-24 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008, Yokota K. wrote: You mean I may translate 'Japanese' into Japanese :) in the main side bar? That is, I suspect it becomes a mess if Japanese font is not installed. It looks ok on my machine... (Xbuntu, Opera) but I guess that doesn't mean anything. So, I may better ch

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-24 Thread Yokota K.
> > You mean I may translate 'Japanese' into Japanese :) in the main side bar? > That is, I suspect it becomes a mess if Japanese font is not installed. So, I may better change it only on WebJa.SideBar or put a Japanese translation of 'Japanese' as an image. Koji

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-24 Thread Yokota K.
> > What do you think of the current change? (Fell free to translate 'Japanese' > into japanese) > It looks nice. You mean I may translate 'Japanese' into Japanese :) in the main side bar? PS I did look for flags, but so far I've only found really small ones. > Indeed, small icons seem standard

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-24 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
How do you get this information? For a site I wrote I had something like that: It is probably possible to do something smarter. I would be surpried that it is not handled already. I'm not sure we want that though.. is this standard behaviour? I'd be annoyed if the browser didn't show t

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-23 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: And we can maybe do some url rewriting to make things like www.lyx.org/ja/ work. Good idea. All we need is something that rewrites www.lyx.org/ja/ into www.lyx.org/index.php/WebJa/. Alternatively, we can create the directory /ja/ and let it b

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-23 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008, Yokota K. wrote: Automatic change of languages according to web browser setting sounds great. How do you get this information? I'm not sure we want that though.. is this standard behaviour? I'd be annoyed if the browser didn't show the native language of the page, but

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-23 Thread Yokota K.
Automatic change of languages according to web browser setting sounds great. As for the menu entry, I'm not sure if there is enough space when several languages become available. Some design invention may become necessary (e.g. putting small country flags?) Regards, Koji

Re: Web site in other languages

2008-12-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Christian Ridderström writes: > Should we directly show the other languages, e.g. 'Japanese' in the > side bar? Yes, I'd prefer that. And we can maybe do some url rewriting to make things like www.lyx.org/ja/ work. And finally, show the page in the correct language according to the web browser

Web site in other languages

2008-12-23 Thread Christian Ridderström
Hi, I'd like some feedback on how to let viewers of the web site see that it's available in a different language. Right now I've just added a page called 'Other languages' and linked to it from the sidebar. http://www.lyx.org/Web.OtherLanguages When you go to this page you should s