t; > On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> > > terms of both production tools and training. Also, many of the academic
> > > community who plan the content want to use features that Msoft offers
> > > that are not
Look at what happened in the last year,
just today I read in slashdot about sun giving away star office
to millions of students all over the world.
So I guess it can't be that bad? if it's responsible enough for so many
coutries to encourage the students there to use staroffice why can't we?
and pl
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 22:59, Uri Bruck wrote:
> > Everyone has a choice, of course. I do think that such an attitude is a
> > bad one though. No, not everyone needs to be a rocket scientist. But I
> > don't think you need a rocket scientist to have a basic understanding of
> > how things work.
> T
On 2 Jan 2003, Alex Shnitman wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 15:03, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
>
> > So you think what your children need to be successful adults is full
> > knowledge of Word?
> >
> > Funny, I prefer my children to learn to think for themselves, be self
> > reliant, learn to solve pro
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> > terms of both production tools and training. Also, many of the academic
> > community who plan the content want to use features that Msoft of
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote:
>
> >Hi Alexander! Next time please delete the rest of the message - it was
> >quite long.
>
> Ok.
>
>
> >As much as a code can be well-thought and well-designed, there can always
> >be typos and things you did not thought about. A misplaced operato
another important diffrent is that it would be out of the end
of specific software makers, it would be a europian standart
and therefore if some company like sun or ms would want to change it
they would have problems in the EU.
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Fri, 3
Hi Alexander! Next time please delete the rest of the message - it was
quite long.
Ok.
As much as a code can be well-thought and well-designed, there can always
be typos and things you did not thought about. A misplaced operator, two
consecutive if's instead of one nested in the other or vic
Quoting Xavier Gentoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Well, you may not like it, but you are one. There's no way that
> somebody
> > could know everything about everything, and that's why we specialize
> in
> > different things. You have no choice but accept that most of the
> > technologies and products
Hi Alexander! Next time please delete the rest of the message - it was
quite long.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote:
> I won't get into this "war", but I'll respond to a small comment:
>
> >And you do need a good Java debugger. Trust me. You could always use a
> >good debugger, re
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
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> On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 19:17 Asia/Jerusalem, Ely Levy wrote:
>
> > anyhow I would like to remind the EU is working on enchant OO file
> > format
> > that would become the official file format for documetation and passing
> > info between gover
On 3 Jan 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
> Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > And C is the only language that is expected to bootstrap
> > itself.[1]
>
>
>
> > [1] - There are a few exceptions. ghc is an Haskell compiler that is the
> > only tool capable of compiling its own Haskell code.
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On Friday 03 January 2003 11:53, Uri Bruck wrote:
> >
> > That not what he said,
> > come on..
> > he said that people who use ms cause they don't know of any alternatives
>
> Which may be true for some people. However, the general sentiment I'm
> getting list is that this is the only reason to ch
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:39:28 +0200
Boulgakov Andrei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> we can do in school - work with 15-17 aged. As example I can tell you about
> activities of "Amuta leAtid aNegev". They did Web Olympiad for youth. (btw,
> guess what was the platform for web+db server with PHP for it?
HERE HERE !
- Original Message -
From: "Xavier Gentoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Alex Shnitman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Edu in linux
> On Thursday 02 January 2003 19:30, Alex Shn
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Uri Bruck wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
>
> >
> > I think we should try and pass legislation that schools will be forbidden
> > to require the students to purchase closed software to submit their
> > schoolwork.
> How is that different than requiring studen
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Uri Bruck wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be
> > > deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I suggest
> > >
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Uri Bruck wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote:
>
> >
> > Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be
> > deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I suggest
> > you watch Total Recall 2070 to see how bright out fu
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: Edu in linux
> I'd like to try to give a summary of some of the points raised in this
> thread:
>
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> > I wanted to raise a discuss
no cause it would be full open spec format,
everyone can look at the spec and implemant it.
it's like saying email it propraity cause some platfroms doesn't have
e-mail clients, but e-mail's spec is open you can just write one with not
much problem.
anyhow it's XML so you can read it at least partl
On Friday 03 January 2003 09:34, Uri Bruck wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
> > I think we should try and pass legislation that schools will be
> > forbidden to require the students to purchase closed software to submit
> > their schoolwork.
>
> How is that different than requiring
On Friday 03 January 2003 09:29, Uri Bruck wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote:
> > Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be
> > deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I
> > suggest you watch Total Recall 2070 to see how bright
Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And C is the only language that is expected to bootstrap
> itself.[1]
> [1] - There are a few exceptions. ghc is an Haskell compiler that is the
> only tool capable of compiling its own Haskell code. The GNU Ada compiler
> is written in Ada. There's als
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
>
> I think we should try and pass legislation that schools will be forbidden
> to require the students to purchase closed software to submit their
> schoolwork.
How is that different than requiring students to buy a certain textbook?
(In Haifa we rarely
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote:
>
> Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be
> deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I suggest
> you watch Total Recall 2070 to see how bright out future is going to be.
So someone who chooses M
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 19:17 Asia/Jerusalem, Ely Levy wrote:
anyhow I would like to remind the EU is working on enchant OO file
format
that would become the official file format for documetation and passing
info between goverment and citizans. The guys who work on it seems to
be
very nic
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
>
> > Hi Shoshannah,
> > The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to submit
> > material in the same format. The teacher does not have time or patience to
> > convert document formats f
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> I remember very clearly a discussion I had with a friend 11 years ago
> when I was in the 11th grade. We were studying then Turbo Pascal on DOS and
> also using Windows (3.1) at school, and I told him about C and Unix, which
> were virtually unknown (espec
On Thursday 02 January 2003 19:30, Alex Shnitman wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 17:57, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
> > > Don't forget that not everyone in this world is meant to become a
> > > programmer. In fact, *all* the people in the modern world are mere
> > > consumers of most of the technologies
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote about "RE: Edu in linux":
> > 2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any
> > normal office. Why should I to sacrifice competitive strength of my kids
>
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
>
> > Hi Shoshannah,
> > The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to submit
> > material in the same format. The teacher does not have time or patience to
> > convert document formats f
Seems like you're advocating the round about route first.
Lobbying an MK to put some weight can never the first stage of any
process. It's something that should be done only after regular channels
fail.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
> I think that if there is a time to push matach on po
I think that if there is a time to push matach on porting things to linux
it's now,
maybe we should originize and approch haching like eitan or nachama ronen,
and ask them,
1)make matach allowing the port of programs to linux,
2)release their rav pealim word list (remember they wanted to pay ibm
to
I'd like to try to give a summary of some of the points raised in this
thread:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
> Hey,
> I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
> and kindergardens around israel.
> there are few questions that come to mind.
There are a number
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
> Cause what he would use outside in the world has nothing to do with the
> things he uses at school in school he learns browesing/office
> he DOESNT learn how to use windows.
browsing and office are the most common uses for windows for
non-developers (most peo
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote:
>
> > 1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for
> > Windows (there was appropriate IDC report).
>
> Doesn't matter, the numbers are quite diffrent for goverments.
>
> > 2. I want my kids
On 2 Jan 2003, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
>
> Everyone has a choice, of course. I do think that such an attitude is a
> bad one though. No, not everyone needs to be a rocket scientist. But I
> don't think you need a rocket scientist to have a basic understanding of
> how things work.
This I can rela
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> This friend of mine, on the other hand, can now do absolutely nothing with
> his knowledge of Turbo Pascal
This is a claim I find odd. Most of programming is not about learning the
syntax of a specific language.
> and DOS, and yelling "But these were t
; > provide software on other platforms.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Gilad Ben-Yossef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Jonathan Ben Avraham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTEC
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
>
> Imagine a country where not only can schools use free software, but kids
> are actually free to use the same software at home without draining the
> family's budget. This is not only essential to sick kids, but also useful
> for parents who cannot affor
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
>
> > Right. Full localization of the working environment the (child) user
> > normally works with is normally needed. Except for English and such
> > programs, that is.
> >
> > And that working environment may be even a dedicated application, in some
> > cases
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Guy Baruch wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> Treatment of multiple-children families by the state and society is way
> OT, as well as
> politically explosive, lets NOT go there.
This is indeed getting OT, but I'd just like to point out that while t
ael
>
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> > > home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My
> > > kids (all 10 of them) had to submit a portion
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Guy Baruch wrote:
>
> Nadav Har'El wrote:
>
> >
> Treatment of multiple-children families by the state and society is way
> OT, as well as
> politically explosive, lets NOT go there.
Maybe it is! but it is part of it!
actualy it is part of the reason of why I'm bringing it up
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 17:57, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
> > Don't forget that not everyone in this world is meant to become a
> > programmer. In fact, *all* the people in the modern world are mere
> > consumers of most of the technologies and products that they use, be it
> > computer software or can
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote:
> I think battle for Linux Desktops in schools is useless. Battle should be on
> Colleges and Univercities, there jobs usually submitted in english :) . All
> we can do in school - work with 15-17 aged. As example I can tell you about
> activities of "A
I agree coverting from office 97 to XP is much harder
especialy when it comes to hebrew.
actualy that is the reason why a lot of people do use RTF
when they don't know the version of windows the person they are sending
it to would have.
anyhow I would like to remind the EU is working on enchant OO
ng way
> from providing the tools that they need to make cuting edge educational
> content.
>
> - yba
>
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Gilad Ben-Yossef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Jonathan Ben Avraham" <[EMAIL PRO
the idea of freedom which is behind OSS.
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Ely Levy wrote about "Edu in linux":
> > > Hey,
> &
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote:
> 1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for
> Windows (there was appropriate IDC report).
Doesn't matter, the numbers are quite diffrent for goverments.
> 2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any
>
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Weinstein wrote:
> "Pretty well" is the key word here - you need perfect compliance IMO.
> And CrossOver is not free (or am I wrong?), which means you need to
> purchase an Office license and CrossOver, so the cost saving shrinks.
They have the same problems with moving fr
>
>
> >
> > Ely Levy
> > System group
> > Hebrew University
> > Jerusalem Israel
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > >
> > >
Nadav Har'El wrote:
Recently Channel 2 news carried a story about large families (like yours)
whose schools demand 500 shekels a year (or more) from each child for
school trips. For the school it's much easier and nicer to force everyone
to fit this mold and not "cause problems". But what does
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 16:05, Alex Shnitman wrote:
[ Note: I edited the order of paragraph in Alex's post from the original
]
> And you can very well think for yourself, be self-reliant, learn to
> solve problems, be creative, learn to protect your rights and ask smart
> questions, while at the sa
n Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> > home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My kids
> > (all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments in
> > .doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> terms of both production tools and training. Also, many of the academic
> community who plan the content want to use features that Msoft offers
> that are not standard technologies in order to get ma
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 16:17 Asia/Jerusalem, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote about "RE: Edu in linux":
courses on Linux, SQL, Apache, PHP, cvs, bla-bla-bla 20 clever
boys will
switch from Ms to Linux.
boys *and girls*, I hope.
Yep
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My kids
> (all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments in
> .doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 15:03, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
> So you think what your children need to be successful adults is full
> knowledge of Word?
>
> Funny, I prefer my children to learn to think for themselves, be self
> reliant, learn to solve problems and be creative, learn to protect their
>
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote about "RE: Edu in linux":
> courses on Linux, SQL, Apache, PHP, cvs, bla-bla-bla 20 clever boys will
> switch from Ms to Linux.
boys *and girls*, I hope.
--
Nadav Har'El| Thursday, Jan 2 2003,
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen, from the post of Thu, 02 Jan:
> Frankly, there is no "ms-word" format. There are a bunch of
> (non-compatible) formats: word2, word6, word7(95), word8(97), word9(2000),
> word10(xp) and now there is a word11 (.net?).
MS swore on their mother's grave that OfficeXP is bit-by-b
Title: RE: Edu in linux
3 years ago I did support to the schools in B7. There (I guess in other cities too) was support cost by hours. So, If school needs file/printer server the cost is same for both MS and Linux. But, if school(specialized in math and comp) needs Web/FTPÂ + DB server, Linux
This is one thing that I never understood- word can read a wide
variety
of Hebrew document formats, so why insist on the files being submitted
as doc?
Hi Shoshannah,
The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to
submit
material in the same format. The teacher does not have
Title: RE: Edu in linux
> -Original Message-
> From: Nadav Har'El [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:39 PM
> To: Victor Zaslavsky
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Edu in linux
> Anybody who
> has spent time using Li
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> Hi Shoshannah,
> The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to submit
> material in the same format. The teacher does not have time or patience to
> convert document formats for even two out of thirty-five kids in the
> class.
> -Original Message-
> Ben Avraham
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Edu in linux
>
> Hi Shoshannah,
> The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the
> class to submit
> material in the same format. The teacher does not
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote about "RE: Edu in linux":
> 2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any
> normal office. Why should I to sacrifice competitive strength of my kids
> to OS wars?
Have you ever seen anyone who learned Linu
On Thursday 02 January 2003 12:53, Ely Levy wrote:
This and that, you are arguing absolutely useless points which boil down to
your personal opinions, biased towards your now outdated experiences.
Now why don't you stop wasting your time with the debate and actually go to a
school near you, tak
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
> On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 13:19 Asia/Jerusalem, Jonathan Ben Avraham
> wrote:
>
> > My kids
> > (all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments
> > in
> > doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My
--
> From: "Gilad Ben-Yossef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jonathan Ben Avraham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ely Levy"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "ILUG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
> someone knows matach's homepage?
> i remmebered it once but I can't find it anymore for some weird reason..
http://www.cet.ac.il/
or: http://www.cet.co.il/
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Ely Levy wrote about "Edu in linux":
> > Hey,
> > I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
> > and kindergardens around israel.
>
> A very important topic
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 13:19 Asia/Jerusalem, Jonathan Ben Avraham
wrote:
My kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments
in
doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
is in a masters program at Touro College and Beit Morasha where
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 14:19, Victor Zaslavsky wrote:
> 1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for
> Windows (there was appropriate IDC report).
A research paid for by Microsoft. Allow me to be skeptical... ;-)
Linux is sometime cheaper and sometimes not so is every other
ty
> Jerusalem Israel
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> > > > Hi Ely,
>
Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ely Levy"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "ILUG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Edu in linux
>
>
> > On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 13:19, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
>
27;El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ely Levy"
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Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Edu in linux
> On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 13:19, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
>
> > home. The Windows vocabulary
.
-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Ben Avraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 02 January, 2003 13:04
To: Alon Weinstein
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Weinstein wrote:
> I think this is going too far. If children will use Linux from ea
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 13:19, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My kids
> (all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments in
> doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
> is in a ma
#x27;El wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> > > Hi Ely,
> > > You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
> > > done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at s
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> > Hi Ely,
> > You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
> > done that. If the kids don't have the same OS
Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Ben Avraham
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:10 PM
> To: Ely Levy
> Cc: ILUG
> Subject: Re: Edu in linux
>
> Hi Ely,
> You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for L
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> Hi Ely,
> You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
> done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
> forget it. If it doesn't run MS Word, then forget it.
> Regards,
How much does a develop
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> Hi Ely,
> You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
> done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
> forget it. If it doesn&#x
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Ely Levy wrote about "Edu in linux":
> Hey,
> I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
> and kindergardens around israel.
A very important topic indeed.
> 6)Does matach does programs which can't be replaced by opens
I think that today with the hard economical state
there are poor schools which hardly have money for computers
and would be more than happy for "free" programs.
crossover office runs MSoffice with hebrew support preety well
and they would have access to better and nicer GUI programs which they
can'
ssage-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Ben Avraham
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:10 PM
To: Ely Levy
Cc: ILUG
Subject: Re: Edu in linux
Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don
Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
forget it. If it doesn't run MS Word, then forget it.
Regards,
- yba
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
> Hey,
> I wanted to raise a discu
> > IMO, the first role Linux can take in schools is as a server. Many
> > schools have small to medium sized networks which either don't have
a
> > central server or rely on a Windows server running on a too-slow
> > machine. Using Linux as the server can reduce costs by both
eliminating
> > the n
> Right. Full localization of the working environment the (child) user
> normally works with is normally needed. Except for English and such
> programs, that is.
>
> And that working environment may be even a dedicated application, in some
> cases.
I really don't understand where that comes from?
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:34:25 +0200 (IST), Ely Levy wrote
> > > Hey,
> > > I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
> > > and kindergardens around israel.
> > > there are few question
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:34:25 +0200 (IST), Ely Levy wrote
> > Hey,
> > I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
> > and kindergardens around israel.
> > there are few questions that come to mind.
>
> Well, the first thing tha
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:34:25 +0200 (IST), Ely Levy wrote
> Hey,
> I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
> and kindergardens around israel.
> there are few questions that come to mind.
Well, the first thing that you'll need is localization. You need all the
text,
Hey,
I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
and kindergardens around israel.
there are few questions that come to mind.
1)What programs does schools/kindergarden uses?
2)How many of them already use linux?
3)What can linux offer that windows can't?
4)What kind of
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