On Thursday 02 January 2003 12:53, Ely Levy wrote:
This and that, you are arguing absolutely useless points which boil down to
your personal opinions, biased towards your now outdated experiences.
Now why don't you stop wasting your time with the debate and actually go to a
school near you, take about 20 minutes to talk to the principal, the teachers
and the IT person and ask them the following:
1) What do they use their computers for exactly?
2) What park of machines do they own?
3) Are they interested in alternative solutions, with emphasis on lowering
costs of licensing or support, alternative education, stability?
4) What services, free or for a fee we can offer them?
5) Are they interested or, in contrary, not interested in a native language
software?
I talked just about this to someone yesterday. Their opinion was that most of
the schools have a fat ass IT budget and can afford expenses for custom
written software. So. Let's stop arguing and actually ask the schools?
Yes, like that. You go to a school, say "Hello, I represent the Amuta
[assuming you do] [...] [!!!], no I am not a salesman and I would like to
hear your opinion on how can we help each other."
> I think that today with the hard economical state
> there are poor schools which hardly have money for computers
> and would be more than happy for "free" programs.
> crossover office runs MSoffice with hebrew support preety well
> and they would have access to better and nicer GUI programs which they
> can't afford on windows. (like think how much vc++ cost and how much
> using eclips or adjuta costs).
> as for having the same OS in school and in home.. well I don't believe its
> true for example they use programs of matach or novell which kids doesn't
> have at home.
> not mention most kids doesn't have the money to have the same OS they
> either get it ileagaly or use things like old win95 while schools uses
> win2k or XP or whatever.
> but if you been there already you can tell me which people I should talk
> to and what were the arguments they used not to use linux.
>
> thanks
>
> Ely Levy
> System group
> Hebrew University
> Jerusalem Israel
>
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> > Hi Ely,
> > You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
> > done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
> > forget it. If it doesn't run MS Word, then forget it.
> > Regards,
> >
> > - yba
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
> > > Hey,
> > > I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on
> > > schools and kindergardens around israel.
> > > there are few questions that come to mind.
> > >
> > > 1)What programs does schools/kindergarden uses?
> > > 2)How many of them already use linux?
> > > 3)What can linux offer that windows can't?
> > > 4)What kind of problems might they get into while trying to move to
> > > linux? 5)Where are the places that linux might be most needed?
> > > 6)Does matach does programs which can't be replaced by opensourced
> > > programs?
> > >
> > > 7) any other idea someone might have on how to approch it.
> > >
> > > Ely Levy
> > > System group
> > > Hebrew University
> > > Jerusalem Israel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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