Your mistake is going to the schools talking to them,
they know nothing about computers nothing about OS.
If you would come to them with a working product saying hey look this has
that and that and it supports the stuff you need to do almost as well as
windows + it can do things which windows can't do.
and look it's free, and I know that in your area there are students with
no money to buy office or windows it would benefit your students.
or going to the PTA and saying hey the school can save a lot of money
and your kids would get better and more programs / computer education.
they you would see people take it seriously.
btw don't forget there ARE schools which uses linux.
some of them for few years already.
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
>
> > crossover office writes/reads hebrew doc/ppt files.
> > and if it's a matter of moving them from word..
> > well openoffice works on windows as well no?:)
>
> Hi Ely,
> OOo works in Hebrew on Windows at we will soon be providing a Hebrew UI
> for it, but the problem is still psychological inertia. You still need to
> do import/export operations on both sides and sometimes the results aren't
> so good. This is a real bummer for most users who still need to
> communicate with the MS world out there.
>
> In any event, crossover/OOo are not Linux and your original inquiriy was
> about Linux. OOo has a good chance of taking off here and it will make
> Linux more acceptable in some circles, but not in K12.
>
> Again, try actually going out and talking about Linux in the schools. (I
> even tried this at the American School in Kfar Shamryahu.) In some schools
> I got a lot of attention - as some sort of freak. The first question the
> teach responsible for computers asks is "who is going to support it?" And
> when I say, "I will", they all have a good laugh.
> Regards,
>
> - yba
>
>
> >
> > Ely Levy
> > System group
> > Hebrew University
> > Jerusalem Israel
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: Edu in linux":
> > > > > Hi Ely,
> > > > > You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
> > > > > done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
> > > > > forget it. If it doesn't run MS Word, then forget it.
> > > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > I admit it's been a few years since I went to school (I left highschool
> > > > 11 years ago), but my experience was completely different from what you
> > > > describe.
> > > >
> > > > In elementary school (6th grade) we learned arithmetic on a computer
> > > > for one hour a week; That computer had some unknown OS that we had no
> > > > access to - we only used the arithmetic-teaching software itself.
> > >
> > > Hi Nadav,
> > > A bit has changed in eleven years. I suspect that you experience is no
> > > longer relevant. All the schools have Windows. The kids have windows at
> > > home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My kids
> > > (all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments in
> > > .doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
> > > is in a masters program at Touro College and Beit Morasha where the
> > > homework assignments are distributed in Word and the homework must be
> > > submitted in Word. I suggest that you actually go try to talk to these
> > > people about Linux and see what happens.
> > >
> > > There is also persistent institutional resistance to Linux at varous
> > > places in the relevant ministry.
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > - yba
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > In 10th grade we learned BASIC (!) on antique Apple II machines (!!) -
> > > > both the language and the machine and its OS were almost obsolete at the
> > > > time, and NOBODY had these at home. In fact, most of the kids probably did
> > > > not have a computer at home at all! But the ideas we learned were (or
> > > > at least supposed to be) universal.
> > > >
> > > > In 11th grade we learned Turbo Pascal on DOS. Windows (3.1) was already
> > > > available, and common, at the time, but it wasn't considered "pchitut kavod"
> > > > not to study on it.
> > > >
> > > > We never studied MS-Word, or any word processor, when I was at school.
> > > > Kids were free to use it (or whatever word processor they had) to write
> > > > schoolwork, but nobody tried to force a specific set of tools on them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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