Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Marc Hohl wrote: > Well, I don't feel a *conflict* situation here, but that may be > founded in me born in the "wrong" piece of earth ;-) > > If there really *is* a conflict/misunderstanding here, the > concerning parties *should* try to solve it: via private mail,

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-09 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 09.11.2012 14:55, schrieb Janek Warchoł: Hi friends, On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM, David Kastrup wrote: Janek wrote: Imagine that next month David receives 10 times the money he usually gets: we'd have David covered for next ~10 months, More like the next 6 months. [snip explanation] o

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-09 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
David Kastrup writes: > It is not really "almost", Okay..at what % of David are we, then? > and I am not easily interchangeable as there are some things I am > pretty good at, and some things I am pretty bad at. Good :-) > So if there was enough money to go around, I'd > recommend not getting

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi friends, On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >Janek wrote: >> Imagine that next month David receives 10 times the money >> he usually gets: we'd have David covered for next ~10 months, > > More like the next 6 months. [snip explanation] ok, i'm fine with that. And i definitel

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-09 Thread David Kastrup
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: > Werner LEMBERG writes: > >>> And it is not like there is 100% approval on the stuff I do. >> >> I think that there is 100% approval that you *do* such a huge amount >> of work. And you should be payed for that IMHO. > > From my pov, I very much see David==global cause

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-09 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Werner LEMBERG writes: >> And it is not like there is 100% approval on the stuff I do. > > I think that there is 100% approval that you *do* such a huge amount > of work. And you should be payed for that IMHO. From my pov, I very much see David==global cause. With David, LilyPond has one full t

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG writes: >> And it is not like there is 100% approval on the stuff I do. > > I think that there is 100% approval that you *do* such a huge amount > of work. And you should be payed for that IMHO. Uh, no? If I "should" be paid for my work on LilyPond, so should be everybody else,

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 01:30:58PM -0800, Jim Long wrote: > On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 08:25:56PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > I think that there is 100% approval that you *do* such a huge amount > > of work. And you should be payed for that IMHO. I agree with the first sentence. I have problem

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> As for making it easy, it is actually quite easy already. 1. Log in >> to PayPal. Don't have a PayPal account? Sign up. > > PayPal... :( > > You should use Bitcoin instead! Mhmm. Never used it, so I can't comment [and I'm quite sure that it should rather not be discussed on lilypond-user].

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 08/11/2012 22:30, Jim Long ha scritto: As for making it easy, it is actually quite easy already. 1. Log in to PayPal. Don't have a PayPal account? Sign up. PayPal... :( You should use Bitcoin instead! Bye, Carlo -- .-. | Registered Linux User #443882| .''`. o

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread Jim Long
On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 08:25:56PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > And it is not like there is 100% approval on the stuff I do. > > I think that there is 100% approval that you *do* such a huge amount > of work. And you should be payed for that IMHO. I was going to word that slightly differe

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread soundsfromsound
Ok. Sorry about that. Just trying to help. I'm a huge proponent for free software (free in as freedom, not free beer) and once I found LilyPond, I was so happy with how my scores looked once printed. Maybe in the future there can be a need for a global donation process for this great software.

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> And it is not like there is 100% approval on the stuff I do. I think that there is 100% approval that you *do* such a huge amount of work. And you should be payed for that IMHO. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
soundsfromsound writes: > I didn't mean to open a can of worms or anything. :) > > But yes, in my opinion, perhaps a change would help? > > As an aside: > When I first visited the LilyPond website, way back when, it took a moment > to absorb what was going on with the "sponsor" page. I got the

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially (was: Editing slur markings in LilyPond)

2012-11-08 Thread soundsfromsound
I didn't mean to open a can of worms or anything. :) But yes, in my opinion, perhaps a change would help? As an aside: When I first visited the LilyPond website, way back when, it took a moment to absorb what was going on with the "sponsor" page. I got the impression that donating money was onl

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 10:38:53AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Francisco Vila writes: > > If I were the sole designer/developer of the web page, I'd put a big > > star-shaped Donate! or Sponsor! button clearly visible on the front > > page. Tiny, personal projects do it all the time. > > Ah, bu

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 08.11.2012 10:38, schrieb David Kastrup: Francisco Vila writes: 2012/11/8 Janek Warchoł : ...and we (Lily team) may need to rethink our strategies as well. Ben, we have this website about sponsoring Lily development: http://www.lilypond.org/sponsoring.html should we make it more visible?

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: > Francisco Vila writes: > >> I'd put a big star-shaped Donate! or Sponsor! button clearly visible >> on the front page. > > +1 > > Don't play too hard to get on this ;-) How about having something like that (for those who are just interested in finding this particular

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/11/8 David Kastrup : > Francisco Vila writes: > >> 2012/11/8 Janek Warchoł : >>> ...and we (Lily team) may need to rethink our strategies as well. >>> Ben, we have this website about sponsoring Lily development: >>> http://www.lilypond.org/sponsoring.html >>> should we make it more visible?

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
Francisco Vila writes: > 2012/11/8 Janek Warchoł : >> ...and we (Lily team) may need to rethink our strategies as well. >> Ben, we have this website about sponsoring Lily development: >> http://www.lilypond.org/sponsoring.html >> should we make it more visible? or should we make it more clear ho

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Francisco Vila writes: > I'd put a big star-shaped Donate! or Sponsor! button clearly visible > on the front page. +1 Don't play too hard to get on this ;-) Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl __

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially (was: Editing slur markings in LilyPond)

2012-11-08 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/11/8 Janek Warchoł : > ...and we (Lily team) may need to rethink our strategies as well. > Ben, we have this website about sponsoring Lily development: > http://www.lilypond.org/sponsoring.html > should we make it more visible? or should we make it more clear how it works? If I were the sole

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:12 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >> soundsfromsound writes: >> >>> Do you guys have a PayPal donation link or something where perhaps I >>> could send a little something your way? I couldn't find anything on >>> the website... :) >> >> Then I need to

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially (was: Editing slur markings in LilyPond)

2012-11-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:12 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > soundsfromsound writes: > >> Do you guys have a PayPal donation link or something where perhaps I >> could send a little something your way? I couldn't find anything on >> the website... :) > > Then I need to rethink my strategies. ...and w

Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially

2012-11-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
David, you've beaten me by a few minutes with answering the same :-) > If you still think you would also like to contribute money, it is my > opinion that the kind of development that I do might be worth making > more sustainable. Supporting David financially is certainly the way to go with mo