2015-04-28 7:27 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł :
> I agree with Urs - in my opinion LilyPond is not developer-friendly
> enough. Actually it's one of the reasons why I was away for so long -
> the friction in the community caused me to loose some motivation to
> work on LilyPond. And I'm not the only on
>>> Sometimes people are scared by a maybe too rough tone, though.
>>
>> It *is* a problem, and not only about code quality. More than once
>> I abandoned a patch before the quality of the code was even
>> considered but because of fruitless discussions about use cases,
>> when for example using L
2015-04-23 12:37 GMT+02:00 Urs Liska :
>
> Am 22.04.2015 um 22:58 schrieb Thomas Morley:
>> I don't think it's a problem to get new functionality into LilyPond,
>> _if_ it's coded properly.
>> Sometimes people are scared by a maybe too rough tone, though.
>>
>> [...]
>
> It *is* a problem, and not
Am 28.04.2015 um 03:41 schrieb David Nalesnik:
Hi Andrew,
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Andrew Bernard
mailto:andrew.bern...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Greetings All,
The tie machinery for ties between chords puts them all one way,
up or down, when using a simple tilde for tying.
Calixte Faure wrote
> Traditionally, vocal scores are written without beams, except for melisma.
> But modern scores tend to keep beams everywhere and put slurs to indicate
> melisma.
>
> Is it possible to have both output with one source, without complicating
> the typesetting?
>
> I have this i
Hi Andrew,
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Andrew Bernard
wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> The tie machinery for ties between chords puts them all one way, up or
> down, when using a simple tilde for tying.
>
The following snippet has one upward tie and two downward ties.
{
~
}
If you use \vo
Greetings All,
The tie machinery for ties between chords puts them all one way, up or down,
when using a simple tilde for tying. I have to adjust every pair of tied
chords, of which I have several thousand in my score, to have some ties down
and some up, according to the wishes of the composer
Hi Joram,
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Noeck wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> thank you very much! This is great. It is by far enough for my purposes.
> For an automatic option like in Frescobaldi it has some issues still –
> as you describe.
>
> > There is something which has to be fixed, though. Al
Hi David,
thank you very much! This is great. It is by far enough for my purposes.
For an automatic option like in Frescobaldi it has some issues still –
as you describe.
> There is something which has to be fixed, though. All clefs get colored,
Can this be avoided (even at the cost of not colo
Hi Urs,
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Urs Liska wrote:
> Hey David,
>
> this is terrific. Nice that something I've done comes back to me this way
> ...
>
> When I'll have the time I'll look into integrating this into Frescobaldi's
> Layout Control Options.
>
>
Thanks!
There is something whi
Hey David,
this is terrific. Nice that something I've done comes back to me this
way ...
When I'll have the time I'll look into integrating this into
Frescobaldi's Layout Control Options.
Urs
Am 27.04.2015 um 23:14 schrieb David Nalesnik:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:16 PM, David Nalesnik
Am 27.04.2015 um 23:24 schrieb Paul Morris:
Hi Urs,
It was inspired mostly by Carl’s post and working on Jianpu notation. A
tutorial on this is not a bad idea. That said:
(1) it would benefit from fitting into, or coming after, a broader overview of
LilyPond like Carl has written
(2) it
I've added this "dronify" snippet to the LSR, for future reference:
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?u=1&id=997
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Hi Urs,
It was inspired mostly by Carl’s post and working on Jianpu notation. A
tutorial on this is not a bad idea. That said:
(1) it would benefit from fitting into, or coming after, a broader overview of
LilyPond like Carl has written
(2) it sounds like the way we create scheme engravers
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:16 PM, David Nalesnik
wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:12 PM, David Nalesnik > wrote:
>
> Here's a code snippet to show that it is possible to tell if a grob has
>> been altered. Right now you have to add the procedure for each grob you
>> want to examine.
>>
>
On 27/04/2015 15:45, Urs Liska wrote:
Maybe LilyPond could run through only the first stage (i.e. without
producing graphical or MIDI output) and analyze the score. On that way
it parses all existing contexts and could maybe determine the
positions of all music content. It could then output som
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 04:44:52PM +0200, Urs Liska wrote:
>
> What we have in Frescobaldi depends on what we can "catch" by either
> listening through engravers or by redefining command. So far I haven't
> found a notion of a grob knowing if it has been tweaked or not.
As a Scheme/Lilypond nov
Dear Kevin,
> On Apr 27, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Kevin Barry wrote:
>
> The scope of the course will be to teach some of the finer points of
> engraving (Gould is the module reference text) and then get them to produce
> their own editions of out-of-copyright scores which we will then try to
> upl
Hi Kevin,
2015-04-24 6:49 GMT+02:00 Kevin Tough :
> On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 13:06 -0500, David Nalesnik wrote:
>> (Please take this as a plea for more help with the project! It is not
>> intended to downplay the efforts by the contributors to this thread.)
>
> Hi David and others,
>
> as a old hobb
Hi,
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm still trying to get a list of musical concepts that you commonly use
> to talk about music that are either missing or hard to find in LilyPond.
>
> So far we have a set of two:
>
> Instruments
> Measures
>
> Are there a
2015-04-27 19:02 GMT+02:00 Kieren MacMillan :
>
>>> it does not make sense to improve the maintainability of a large
>>> set of scores by relying on a functionality that has to be adapted
>>> manually in future and thus produces more manual interventions.
>
> It also doesn’t make sense to feed a se
On 4/27/15 10:47 AM, "Federico Bruni" wrote:
>2015-04-27 17:25 GMT+02:00 Kevin Barry :
>
>- I'd rather use a conversational approach instead of unordered lists:
>"Please be aware that LilyPond is a text-based(link) music engraver and
>read the FAQ(link) before...". "You can see LilyPond in action
Peter,
I like Trevor's suggestions. I'd also recommend the following:
1. In the first verse lyrics, change " " to "" (i.e., remove the space).
This makes One line up better with the notehead. You can also do "\skip 4"
instead. For some reason, in 2.18.2, using " " creates a manual melisma,
which
2015-04-27 17:25 GMT+02:00 Kevin Barry :
>
> You know http://benlemon.me/blog/music/lilypond/operation-lilypond
>> ?
>
>
> No I didn't know about this, and thank you for linking it. I will take a
> good look.
>
This is listed here under "Other material":
http://www.lilypond.org/website/manuals.ht
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:12 PM, David Nalesnik
wrote:
Here's a code snippet to show that it is possible to tell if a grob has
> been altered. Right now you have to add the procedure for each grob you
> want to examine.
>
>
Oh, I should mention that overrides have been colored green and tweaks
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Urs Liska wrote:
>
>
> Am 27.04.2015 um 16:27 schrieb Noeck:
>
>> Dear all, dear Urs,
>>
>> I would like to color tweaks of a particular edition of the edition
>> engraver. I know that there is a checkbox in Frescobaldi to color, so it
>> seems possible to co
Hi Gilles,
> This seemed great
It *is* great — trust me. =)
> I looked for it in the documentation; and did not find it…
Hopefully someday you will.
>> it does not make sense to improve the maintainability of a large
>> set of scores by relying on a functionality that has to be adapted
>> man
Hi Joram, hi Urs,
I shall add this to my todo list.
Hope to be able to work on it.
Cheers,
Jan-Peter
Am 27. April 2015 17:51:31 MESZ, schrieb Noeck :
>Hi Urs,
>
>thanks. I hoped it was easier. But then I will just color them by hand.
>
>Cheers,
>Joram
>
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On 27/04/15 09:30, Nick Payne wrote:
> On 27/04/2015 08:14, Anthonys Lists wrote:
>> Simple problem, I can't find the solution ... :-)
>>
>> Basically, what I want is "\StaffOff ...text... \StaffOn".
>
> Something like this? The values for offset and makegap have to be
> fiddled with to get pr
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 16:15:21 +0200, Noeck wrote:
Dear Kieren,
With the edition-engraver, there is (a) no need to mix layout with
contents
This seemed great; I looked for it in the documentation; and
did not find it...
I already wanted to submit a score to Mutopia using the edition
engraver
Hi Urs,
thanks. I hoped it was easier. But then I will just color them by hand.
Cheers,
Joram
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote:
> Given the fact that you paid a price for not reading the Learning Manual
> more thoroughly, would it not make sense to use the Learning Manual as
> your text for the module? If there are problems with the Learning Manual,
> let's fix them.
On 4/27/15 7:18 AM, "Kevin Barry" wrote:
>
>3. Since I will, in effect, be creating a tutorial for new LilyPond
>users, perhaps I could encourage some collaboration here, and make the
>results freely available. MuseScore has an excellent series of tutorial
>videos, for example. I'm not necessaril
Peter wrote Monday, April 27, 2015 8:25 AM
> I have a song with two verses. The lyrics to the second stanza occasionally
> have an extra syllable, such that there is a rest on that beat in the first
> verse but a note in the second verse. I'm trying to address this using the
> code found in
Hi all,
For me one of the biggest advantage of Mutopia (as a singer) is the
possibility of transposing songs in every tones!
Some years ago I submitted a few *mélodies* on Mutopia. My coding policy
was tweaking the least, that for two reasons :
1) I thought the file is more maintainable with only
Hi Kevin,
Am 27.04.2015 um 16:18 schrieb Kevin Barry:
Dear All,
Three recent threads (are we the future, mutopia, and new users'
feelings about the docs) have prompted me to start a new one rather
than write separate replies to each. Apologies in advance for the
length, but I would be very g
On 4/27/15 6:37 AM, "Kieren MacMillan"
wrote:
>Hi Urs,
>
>> I would strongly oppose to *replacing* the current approach with a
>>container based approach (I don't think you are even considering that, I
>>just want to make that clear).
>
>+1
Just to clarify my intent -- I'm not proposing *anyth
Hi Joram,
> I already wanted to submit a score to Mutopia using the edition
> engraver. But I finally used ordinary tweaks because we were not sure
> how future proof this is.
An excellent question/point.
> 1. How stable is the interface of the edition engraver?
Right now, not sufficiently for
Am 27.04.2015 um 16:27 schrieb Noeck:
Dear all, dear Urs,
I would like to color tweaks of a particular edition of the edition
engraver. I know that there is a checkbox in Frescobaldi to color, so it
seems possible to color tweaked grobs in general.
No, I don't think this is possible, althoug
Am 27.04.2015 um 16:15 schrieb Noeck:
Dear Kieren,
With the edition-engraver, there is (a) no need to mix layout with contents
I already wanted to submit a score to Mutopia using the edition
engraver. But I finally used ordinary tweaks because we were not sure
how future proof this is. This
Dear all, dear Urs,
I would like to color tweaks of a particular edition of the edition
engraver. I know that there is a checkbox in Frescobaldi to color, so it
seems possible to color tweaked grobs in general.
What I would like is to specify a color (of my choice) for each of the
editions I defi
Dear All,
Three recent threads (are we the future, mutopia, and new users' feelings
about the docs) have prompted me to start a new one rather than write
separate replies to each. Apologies in advance for the length, but I would
be very grateful for some replies.
I am very happy to say that a mod
Dear Kieren,
> With the edition-engraver, there is (a) no need to mix layout with contents
I already wanted to submit a score to Mutopia using the edition
engraver. But I finally used ordinary tweaks because we were not sure
how future proof this is. This bings me to my questions:
1. How stable
Am 27.04.2015 um 15:37 schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
Hi Urs,
I would strongly oppose to *replacing* the current approach with a container
based approach (I don't think you are even considering that, I just want to
make that clear).
+1
What would be good to have is a notion of "select everyth
Hi Calixte,
> I think the question is more: “will machines be able to engrave scores that
> don’t need tweaks or human correction at all.”
Yes.
> Maybe, but in my opinion — except if you implement something like an AI — it
> will never have the difference that makes traditional engraving so lo
Hi Gilles,
> And power users will complain in advance that they must tweak things (i.e.
> mix layout with contents) to get their required level of esthetics.
> Maybe that tweaked editions should not be in Mutopia's realm as a database[1]
> Maybe that such finely tuned editions could be managed wit
Hi there,
after just reading all these important threads partially, I want to jump
in. I want to encourage Urs' position - and if I understand correctly,
Carl does not object ;)
The lilypond way of working made it easy for me, to spot errors in a
score I received as musicXML. There where sever
Hi Urs,
> I would strongly oppose to *replacing* the current approach with a container
> based approach (I don't think you are even considering that, I just want to
> make that clear).
+1
> What would be good to have is a notion of "select everything in measures 2-4
> - over all possible part
I may have missed it if someone said it in the previous messages (apologies
if so), but one of the benefits of mutopia over imslp is that the scores
are for paper sizes that anyone can print.
Most hand engraved scores are considerably bigger than A4 (and for good
reason). A student who prints a Be
Am 27.04.2015 um 15:00 schrieb Carl Sorensen:
On 4/26/15 10:55 PM, "Andrew Bernard" wrote:
In what way are measures missing? Half the world calls them Œbars¹ by the
way - that¹s what they are under in the index. Are you simply referring
to terminology in the documentation?
LilyPond creates
On 4/26/15 10:55 PM, "Andrew Bernard" wrote:
>
>In what way are measures missing? Half the world calls them Œbars¹ by the
>way - that¹s what they are under in the index. Are you simply referring
>to terminology in the documentation?
LilyPond creates bars (the things that divide measures) just fi
Hello folks,
Some remarks for what they're worth...
JM
--
LP is basically staff oriented, and we specify a linear sequence of notes and
the like for each staff.
The reactions on the « Do we really offer the future? » thread as well as many
questions that arose recently on this list show a ne
Hi Andrew,
> In what way are measures missing?
Here’s one example: you can add/modify/delete a Staff [context] with a single
command; you cannot add/modify/delete a Measure.
Cheers,
Kieren.
Kieren MacMillan, composer
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email:
Am 23.04.2015 um 17:04 schrieb Gilles:
Hello.
On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:09:29 +0200, Urs Liska wrote:
Hi all,
First of all:
I have _not_ asked "the LilyPond team" to spend any resources for
whatever.
First of all, nobody wrote that you did.
Well, let's say that perhaps your initial reply offe
Am 27.04.2015 um 12:46 schrieb Kevin Barry:
So the first question is: how much of lilypond's goals and design
are based on TeX/LaTeX?
This is just my understanding, but I believe LilyPond is intended to
be a music-engraving equivalent of LaTeX. IIRC it actually began life
as a LaTe
>
> So the first question is: how much of lilypond's goals and design are
> based on TeX/LaTeX?
>
This is just my understanding, but I believe LilyPond is intended to be a
music-engraving equivalent of LaTeX. IIRC it actually began life as a LaTeX
package (MusicTeX? or was it another one?).
> Al
Am 27.04.2015 um 10:35 schrieb ArnoldTheresius:
Hello Urs
Urs Liska wrote
...
Another important topic for commercial users may be the management
of the source code for all PDFs (and other output).
What do you mean here?
And finally multiple people may have to working parallel on the same
Hello Urs
Urs Liska wrote
> ...
>>
>> Another important topic for commercial users may be the management
>> of the source code for all PDFs (and other output).
>
> What do you mean here?
>
>> And finally multiple people may have to working parallel on the same
>> score.
>
> This is something th
On 27/04/2015 08:14, Anthonys Lists wrote:
Simple problem, I can't find the solution ... :-)
Basically, what I want is "\StaffOff ...text... \StaffOn".
Something like this? The values for offset and makegap have to be
fiddled with to get proper alignment for the text you use.
\version "
2015-04-25 19:17 GMT+02:00 Martin Tarenskeen :
> It should be mentioned that Frescobaldi creates converts
>
> {c'' d'' e'' f'' g''}
>
> to "old style" \relative syntax like:
>
> \relative c'' {c d e f g}
>
> instead of the new syntax I like to use these days:
>
> \relative
Thanks, Nathan, that works.
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Dear List,
I have a song with two verses. The lyrics to the second stanza
occasionally have an extra syllable, such that there is a rest on that beat
in the first verse but a note in the second verse. I'm trying to address
this using the code found in notation manual (v. 2.18.2) in Section 2.1.3
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