Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Guðmundur Erlingsson
Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Caitlyn Martin wrote: > > > Let me give an example. About a year and a half ago, when I was with > > Interpath, there was a programmer who I was pretty friendly with. He > > is intelligent, talented, and certainly treated the women there with > >

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread J B
>"Skeletons in the closet" have nothing to do with ability to serve, >though. The fact that they reflect on ability to be elected is a >strong condemnation of the American electoral process. I must strongly disagreeskeletons are an indication of true morals and ideals of a candidate. Wo

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:53:37 GMT, "J B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I must strongly disagreeskeletons are an indication of true >morals and ideals of a candidate. Would you want a person who >embezzled millions of dollars from a company as "leader of the free >world"? Politics has no place f

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread J B
>It depends on the skeleton. A lot of the time, the "skeletons" are >matters that are quite irrelevant to the individual's ability to >lead. True...there are certain levels of indescretion that have absolutely no bearing...but certain things DO have a bearing. Drug use, unless it is current

[issues] FW: an invitation

2000-01-10 Thread Michelle
Greetings linuxchix, I'm passing this along from a friend who is organizing a convention. Much of what'll be going on pertains to linux, *bsd and open source, although the focus IS computer security - definitely some intelligent discussions. These guys actually had a special meeting specificall

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > It depends on the skeleton. A lot of the time, the "skeletons" are > matters that are quite irrelevant to the individual's ability to lead. Let's just say that the objections over Geraldine Ferraro could easily have been applied to, oh, Clinton. B

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, J B wrote: > Marital infidelity...there has never been a > President who did not have a mistress or three. ..which is, of course, an indicator of sexism in our society imho. -- _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net "Mars has been a tough ta

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, J B wrote: > To quote CarlinColin Powell is openly white, but he happens to be black. Heh. > General Powell would probably be a very good President. Also, I believe > that Hillary CLinton is priming herself to run for President. (Not sure if > I would vote for her or

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Emily Cartier wrote: > > Really You mean if a guy is sexist, doesn't take women > > seriously, and doesn't hire them for top positions, women can get in > > anyway? Hmmm... when did this happen? > > Yes. See the history of SF. See the history of SFWA. There have *alway

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Janus
At 12:53 PM 01/10/2000 GMT, you wrote: > > >>"Skeletons in the closet" have nothing to do with ability to serve, >>though. The fact that they reflect on ability to be elected is a >>strong condemnation of the American electoral process. > > >I must strongly disagreeskeletons are an indication

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Caitlyn Martin
Hi, > > Because those who were being published, like James Triptree Jr. and C.L. > Moore, were not widely known to be female. ...and C.J. Cherryh, Andre Norton, and so on... OTOH, how could he argue that Ursula K. Leguin, Zenna Henderson, Vonda McIntyre, or Kate Wilhelm can't write good science

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Jenn V.
Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote: > > Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > > >Playing Devil's Advocate: > > > >Women ARE several times more likely to quit jobs than men for a variety of > >reasons > 4) allow flex time, childcare etc (which would benefit any childcarer, > and flex time would benefit non-child

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Jenn V.
Kathleen Weaver wrote: > > >> Tell me when a suitable candidate has run for president? > > > >Well, how about we start with Vice-President? Geraldine Ferraro. > > I think we said suitable. Wasn't there a major skelton in her closet -- > something to do with her husband? And there were no ske

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Jenn V.
Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > My point in listing this (other than personal embarrasment I suppose ) > is to demonstrate my point: I left primarily for quality-of-life issues. > In one case, it had nothing to do with the job itself. I really really > love the company. I would work for them again in

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Robert Kiesling
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > More to the point, in the US, never-married women have salaries that are > close to those of men's. However, after marriage the picture changes > radically. To put this into some perspective, in my former marraige(s), we weren't working in profession

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Robert Kiesling
Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:38:52 -0500, Robert Kiesling ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >Not really. You might consider the magnitude and severity of > >discrimination. I think that may be due to the shortsightedness of > >the Framers of the Constitut

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Magni Onsoien
Cat: > If you can't tell I am *still* steamed about this -- especially since I > figure eigth grade girls and boys are *still* faced with that same > ridiculous and sexist choice. It was required to take one or the other > when I was there -- can you imagine? I went to the usual Norwegian co-ed

Female SF Writers was Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Caitlyn Martin wrote: > OTOH, how could he argue that Ursula K. Leguin, Zenna Henderson, Vonda > McIntyre, or Kate Wilhelm can't write good science fiction? How many Hugos > and Nebulas do they have between them? Zenna Henderson's "Pilgrimmage" is > still one of my all time

Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise

2000-01-10 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Jenn V. wrote: > Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > So, I guess what I'm asserting is that, while paying women the same for > > the same job would be a start, it wouldn't GET or KEEP the women there as > > a whole, particularly if they're not treated well. > > Heh. Are we saying he

[issues] looking to contribute?

2000-01-10 Thread Deb Richardson
Erik Levy wrote: > > Deb, > > LinuxPower (linuxpower.org) has been doing news (in it's special favored > way ;) for about 2 weeks now daily. While that's going great, one thing > I don't see in our community is many women really out there interacting > with the community via big websites. I know

[issues] Slashdot "Beanie" Awards.

2000-01-10 Thread Deb Richardson
Hi folks. Given all the talk we've had at LinuxChix in the past about how women in the Linux and Open Source community tend to be overlooked, here's your chance to try to change that... Slashdot and Andover.Net are sponsoring the 2000 Beanie Awards, which are going to distribute a bunch of money