Re: [issues] Red Hat/Be

1999-12-18 Thread Kirrily 'Skud' Robert
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, J B wrote: >Okthe rumor mill is speculating that Red Hat is making moves to buy Be. >Any word on this? >How do you think this would affect BeOS? Not directed solely at JB, but I've noticed a few posts here lately just talking about open source issues and with

[issues] Meta discussion (was: Re: Red Hat/Be)

1999-12-18 Thread Louise
On 18 Dec 1999, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote: > Not directed solely at JB, but I've noticed a few posts here lately just > talking about open source issues and with no focus on women in open > source. While I realise this list is relatively quiet and can probably > cope with a few slightly-off-to

[issues] Attitudes in the workplace

1999-12-18 Thread Louise
I'm a unix sys admin in a Silicon Valley sofware company, which actually has a (relatively) high percentage of women in technical positions (for example, I'm in IT, which is made up of 4 women and 8 men). So I was pretty surprised to receive an email the other day, addressed to three of us in IT

Re: [issues] Fwd: RMS says "Boycott Amazon"

1999-12-18 Thread franzoni
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: > Personally, I don't think it's worth it to boycott amazon... but rather > to deal with the real problem, the patent organisation itself. Amazon is > taking advantage of putting a patent on something they feel is original > material (and no, it's not

[issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread TeknoDragon
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > copyright to patents (as is in the US). Well, patents are not a good > thing, you can tell from the amazon story (and the unisys/gif one, you not a good thing? tell me, if you were a struggling college student who is developing an original data st

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Laurel Fan
Excerpts from linuxchix: 18-Dec-99 [issues] Patents (was: RMS .. by [EMAIL PROTECTED] > tell me, if you were a struggling college student who is developing an > original data structure that has a chance to be in demand what can you do > to proffit from your idea other than to patent it? The same

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Nicole Zimmerman
> The same thing I'd do if I was a struggling college student who is > developing an OS that has a chance to be in demand: release it as free > software, and if it's as great as I think it is, I'll have no trouble > getting a high paying job doing what I want to (at a secretive chip > startup, per

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Robert Kiesling
Nicole Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are federal grants to cover the cost of patents, and they aren't > *that* expensive. He's looked into the patent idea and consulted with a > couple of people in the college of business. > > It's an original idea, not an "open" repetition of s

Re: [issues] Attitudes in the workplace

1999-12-18 Thread Jenn V.
Louise wrote: > > So, I'm sure other people run into the same kind of thing. What do you > do? Personally? I shrug and accept language lag. Go ahead and use 'Ladies'. It'll encourage language to catch up to reality. :) Jenn V. -- "We're repairing the coolant loop of a nuclear fusion react

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Jenn V.
Laurel Fan wrote: > > The same thing I'd do if I was a struggling college student who is > developing an OS that has a chance to be in demand: release it as free > software, and if it's as great as I think it is, I'll have no trouble > getting a high paying job doing what I want to (at a secretiv

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Robert Kiesling
"Jenn V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So .. is it wrong for us to investigate patents/copyright/whatever? So long as you don't pay too much... and make sure you get at least a second (if not third or fourth) opinion. Also try make sure that the lawyers are qualified in the field. That's m

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Nicole Zimmerman
Robert Kiesling wrote: > > Could a person receive a federal grant if they were also in a > publicly funded university, free or not? Yes, students can receive federal grants for developing... it's independent of stature as a student (applying as an *individual* rather than a part of a *corporat

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Nicole Zimmerman
> We don't want to prevent people from legitimately solving the > problem themselves. But we want /our/ way of doing it protected, > at least until we've got the reasonable reward for our labout. > (yeah, 'our'. I count chewing it over with him while theoretically > watching 'Buffy' to be work.) >

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Robert Kiesling
Nicole Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Kiesling wrote: > > > > Could a person receive a federal grant if they were also in a > > publicly funded university, free or not? > > Yes, students can receive federal grants for developing... it's > independent of stature as a student (app

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Andross
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: > If you were developing software for someone, and decided to patent the > idea, yes, I think they could claim a right. there are a lot of legal options here... most employees sign a contract that diverts all their IP to their employer (remember Woz

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Robert Kiesling
Andross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: > > > If you were developing software for someone, and decided to patent the > > idea, yes, I think they could claim a right. > > > > there are a lot of legal options here... most employees sign a contract > th

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:30:06 -0800 (PST), Andross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >there are a lot of legal options here... most employees sign a >contract that diverts all their IP to their employer (remember Woz in >Pirates of Sillicon valley?), and then the employer can be the patent >holder, but no

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Jenn V.
Robert Kiesling wrote: > Also, if the student is in the employ of the university, can the > university claim it has a right to the work, as many companies do for > the original work of their employees? > > I think the whole subject of the debate is paternalistic and > big-brotherish, personally,

Re: [issues] Patents (was: RMS boycott of Amazon)

1999-12-18 Thread Robert Kiesling
"Jenn V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If it was tangential but related to what he was employed for, > it's tricky and the safest course for both employee and employer > is to come to an equitable agreement on the assumption that it > belongs to both. > > Basically, the employment contract is