On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Laurel Fan wrote:
> > Ok, but why are all the women not contributing?
>
> Many are. It's just that like thousands of men and women, they aren't
> high profile, so you don't know of them.
In Italy there aren't any, even low profile, so I'd like to show that
maybe in other co
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> I think that a women-led project is achieved only when women predominate the
> group. If you mean woman led, as in one woman, I don't think this is
> easily achievable in an open source venue.
Not easily because, luckily, most open source projects a
On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 09:27:32AM +0100 or thereabouts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Laurel Fan wrote:
>
> > > Ok, but why are all the women not contributing?
> >
> > Many are. It's just that like thousands of men and women, they aren't
> > high profile, so you don't know of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ok, but why are all the women not contributing? Contributing is quite
> easy, and mostly you don't even have to report to anyone.
There's the big question: How?
I know it has to be easy, straightforward, etc etc etc - but .. I haven't
the foggiest where to start, or H
Maureen Lecuona wrote:
>
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > I'd like to see some holes filled. For example:
> >
> > 1) Project management software
> >
> > 2) CASE tools, especially ERD tools
> >
> > These are not small projects, but there's nothing like that out there.
>
> I agree. There's definitel
Maureen Lecuona wrote:
>
> I don't either, but some women seem to have voiced a certain shyness about their
> work which might be helped by demographics.
Nah. I'm more frightened by women than by men anyway, usually.
Don't ask me why - I have no idea. But I am rarely comfortable at ALL in
a pri
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, srl wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> >
> > > I'd like to see some holes filled. For example:
> > >
> > > 1) Project management software
> >
> > hear hear. IMO this would be best as a web-based product written in
> > somethin
Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
>
> Oh, bother, somewhere in my mailbox I have a message from someone who
> is actually working on this. If I ever find it, I'll forward it to
> you.
My memory is bugging me, suggesting that Kirrily (Skud) is working on
it. I'm pretty sure she's on these lists - if she
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Telsa Gwynne wrote:
> Well, as Laurel said, it's entirely possible they're there but
> less well-known. As an example, I was looking at the manual page
Yes, it is possible, but there aren't any (except three) who participate
in LUG attivity, nor attend meeting, and they're n
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Ok, but why are all the women not contributing? Contributing is quite
> > easy, and mostly you don't even have to report to anyone.
>
> There's the big question: How?
> I know it has to be easy, straightforward, etc etc etc - but .. I haven't
> th
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes,
> On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
>
> > Looks `way cool, but I'm not yet sold on python. What does Python
> > offer that Smalltalk doesn't (that's the only other widely known
> > object oriented environment I can think of).
>
> Python is
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I'd work on a project management software project. Dancer's constantly
>griping about the lack - so I KNOW it'd get used at least by one group.
I would too. I'd need to start small, though. I've only done hobby
programming.
Amanda
[E
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
>
> > I think that a women-led project is achieved only when women predominate the
> > group. If you mean woman led, as in one woman, I don't think this is
> > easily achievable in an open source venue.
>
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:51:04 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >I think it should have an optional DISPLAY in some web cgi, but it
> >should NOT be run from there.
>
> I _despise_ products that only have a "web" interface.
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Why is non-OO better? I've coded in JAVA (not in Python) and have
> found very little need for anything beyond what is available in JAVA,
> especially when I want to be able to compile the code, which is possible
> to do in using JAVA, but I haven't h
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I agree that it should be displayable in web, but not required to be a
> web thing - I'd want it scaleable, and if you had a three or five person
> team, would they want to have to pull up a browser, type in an addy, etc
> or would it be easier just
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> >
> > > I'd like to see some holes filled. For example:
> > >
> > > 1) Project management software
> >
> > hear hear. IMO this would be best as a web-based product written
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, srl wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> >
> > > I'd like to see some holes filled. For example:
> > >
> > > 1) Project management software
> >
> > hear hear. IMO this would be best as a web-based product wr
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> I think that a women-led project is achieved only when women predominate the
> group. If you mean woman led, as in one woman, I don't think this is
> easily achievable in an open source venue.
Not easily beca
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> >
> > Oh, bother, somewhere in my mailbox I have a message from someone who
> > is actually working on this. If I ever find it, I'll forward it to
> > you.
>
> My memory is bugging me, suggesting that Kirrily (Skud) is w
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> Not easily because, luckily, most open source projects are not one-man
> (one-person?) led?
>
> Not easily because usually the project is run cooperatively,
> with no central authority figure, which, IMHO works rather well.
Actually, thi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ok, but why are all the women not contributing? Contributing is quite
> easy, and mostly you don't even have to report to anyone.
There's the big question: How?
I know it has to be easy, straightforward, etc etc etc - but .. I
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, srl wrote:
> > I'm thinking a Gtk+ app largely written in Python.
>
> Could you elaborate?
>
> Zope is written in Python, and might be one way to make a Python
> project-management app talk to the web, even if only for reporting
> purposes.
The core could also be written in
Well I agree that C++/JAVA are not often used for real time systems.
However, I know of several projects using it for writing such software,
and in embedded systems in VOI applications rather successfully (go figure).
Is Python useable in these types of applications?
For the normal business
Well, perhaps you are right. My experience in free software projects is
rather limited to some porting groups which had no leadership per se, but
rather worked cooperatively. I have not worked on the Linux kernel except to
submit fixes to the occasional device driver in the pre-1.0 days, when I
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Maureen Lecuona wrote:
> However, I know of several projects using it for writing such software,
> and in embedded systems in VOI applications rather successfully (go figure).
>
> Is Python useable in these types of applications?
As Python is interpreted, it's less common (t
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The benevolent dictator is the most common form of leadership in the open
> source community.
A less loaded, equivalent term would be "ruling by fiat."
My 0.02 ecu's again.
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm all for the model-controller-view concept from smalltalk where the
> model is the data, the controller is the glue and the view is the
> UI. That way, you can have two UIs (Gtk+ and web) talking to the same
> model. The controller class abstracts
Subject: Re: [issues] Jamie Lokier (was Re: 50 people to watch)
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm all for the model-controller-view concept from smalltalk where the
> model is the data, the controller is the glue and the view is the
> UI.
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I'm all for the model-controller-view concept from smalltalk where the
> > model is the data, the controller is the glue and the view is the
> > UI. That way, you can have two UIs (Gtk+ and web) talkin
Why do you need middleware unless the design sucked in the first
place? Seriously.
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Why do you need middleware unless the design sucked in the first
> place? Seriously.
Because the programmer friendliness of the design doesn't need to
make statement
Maureen Lecuona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You might want to check out Mowbray's Corba Design Patterns.
Thanks for the info. I'll go look it up.
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
I've been reading the topic on open source projects for women, and I have a
project that I've been working on for a couple of years now that I'm truly
stuck on, and I would like some help.
It's nothing like a project management system or anything remotely 'useful'
other than as a teaching tool f
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> While generally I agree with you, I've dropped almost every other language
> except occasional C in favor of Python because I find that Python IS the
> best tool for almost every job. :)
Except that someone mentioned that it's an interpreted language. I would
recommend
Robert Kiesling wrote:
> 1. What is TLA?
Three Letter Acronym
Jenn V.
--
Humans are the only species to feed and house entirely separate species
for no reason other than the pleasure of their company. Why?
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"Marlene E. Morley" wrote:
>
> I've got it all planned out, what it's
> supposed to do, it's the how that bugs me. If you like I have a copy of
> Sleuth as well for you try so you can see what I mean.
Two issues:
1. What aspect of the 'how' bugs you?
2. Double, triple and quadruple check that
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Except that someone mentioned that it's an interpreted language. I would
> recommend that project management software should not require someone to
> have the interpreter as well as the software itself - unless Python has
> some solution for that, to
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> No, but almost all Linux installations (particularly Red Hat's) have
> Python installed already.
I've seen quite a few Linux boxen and have several at home, but I've never seen
Python installed on any of them. Maybe that's one of those "if you instal
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Except that someone mentioned that it's an interpreted language. I would
> > recommend that project management software should not require someone to
> > have the interpreter as well as the software itself - unless Pyth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> > No, but almost all Linux installations (particularly Red Hat's) have
> > Python installed already.
>
> I've seen quite a few Linux boxen and have several at home, but I've never seen
> Python installed on any of the
1> python runs on most platforms out of the box.. with little/no porting
(even less then perl)
2> alot of redhat's controlpanel stuff was (and probably still is) written
in perl (try locate *.py sometime)
3> having python installed is more akin to having glib to run apps or
kdelibs to run kde ap
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, curious wrote:
> I find language wars to often be uneducated, trivial, and misleading..
> below is an example... basically s/he is saying "I don't know about this..
> so it must be bad"
Chris, I agree that language wars are usually worthless. You've totally
missed my point.
devnull,
could you please CC the issue list instead of puting it in the BCC,it mess up
my mail routing and find it way in my high priority mail folder.
Alain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:19:06 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Most open-source projects ARE led by one person.
The GIMP is probably the largest exception to this rule. :)
Kelly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
srl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> see www.zope.org for more info, or ask a question and I'll try to answer
> it. I'm by no means a wizard with Zope, but i think it's really cool.
I'm not even a wizard with Python yet. Like, where, for example, is
the stdwin module? Is it part of the standard
On Fri, 03 Dec 1999 01:01:28 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>Except that someone mentioned that it's an interpreted language. I
>would recommend that project management software should not require
>someone to have the interpreter as well as the software itself -
>unless Python has some solution f
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> > No, but almost all Linux installations (particularly Red Hat's) have
> > Python installed already.
>
> I've seen quite a few Linux boxen and have several at home, but I've never seen
> Python installe
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