ieve they had no chance to adopt Yale romanization for Cantonese and
jyutping for their name’s spelling.
Best Regards,
Leaf
From: Ted Hardie [mailto:ted.i...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:51 AM
To: Leaf Yeh
Cc: Cao,Zhen; IETF Discussion
Subject: Re: Regarding c
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:58 AM, Leaf Yeh wrote:
> a. I suppose Mr. Leung and Mr. Tung used Wade-Giles Romanization (or
> system)
> for their name's spelling, which looks very popular outside China mainland
> including Hong Kong, and inside China mainland before the year of 1958 when
> Pinyin (C
16, 2013 4:35 PM
To: Ted Hardie
Cc: IETF Discussion
Subject: Re: Regarding call Chinese names
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Ted Hardie wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Hui Deng wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ted,
>>
>> I did explain them in the 1st paragraph about minoriti
nglish, while "Deng
Hui" is written in Pinyin (Chinese phonetic alphabet) .
Best Regards,
Leaf
-Original Message-
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Simon Perreault
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:58 PM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Rega
: Regarding call Chinese names
I guess that George is your given name. Wes is your family name. Hope I am
not wrong.:)
-Hui
2013/7/11 George, Wes
> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Melinda Shore
> I agree
> that this is probably not appropriate for
>> > other than pinyin which are common and normatively correct. For those
>> > Chinese people, your document does not apply. As an example, the
>> > current
>> > chief executive of Hong Kong is properly called Leung Chun Ying (梁振英);
>> > his
>> > predecessor in that role was Tung Chee Hwa (董建華)
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Cao,Zhen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Ted Hardie wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Hui Deng wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Ted,
> >>
> >> I did explain them in the 1st paragraph about minorities (not mentioned
> >> that they could have two kids in m
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Ted Hardie wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Hui Deng wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ted,
>>
>> I did explain them in the 1st paragraph about minorities (not mentioned
>> that they could have two kids in mainland)
>> anyway, I will revise the title by adding "Chinese "H
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Hui Deng wrote:
> Hi Ted,
>
> I did explain them in the 1st paragraph about minorities (not mentioned
> that they could have two kids in mainland)
> anyway, I will revise the title by adding "Chinese "Han" people", hope
> that will be ok
>
> -Hui
>
>
>
While it is
I guess that George is your given name. Wes is your family name. Hope I am
not wrong.:)
-Hui
2013/7/11 George, Wes
> > From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > Melinda Shore
>
> > I agree
> > that this is probably not appropriate for publication as an RFC
> >
Hi Ted,
I did explain them in the 1st paragraph about minorities (not mentioned
that they could have two kids in mainland)
anyway, I will revise the title by adding "Chinese "Han" people", hope that
will be ok
-Hui
2013/7/11 Ted Hardie
> Howdy,
>
> Thanks for your efforts. I would suggest, h
I guess XML draft doesn't support "Lǎobǎn"
thanks for your remindness.
-Hui
2013/7/11 Stephen Sprunk
> On 10-Jul-13 19:04, Hui Deng wrote:
>
> We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
> people names:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
>
Hi Stephen,
all caps should be included, thanks for your pointint out.
for your 85% is one syllable, I guess that normally has two characters for
family name, then they will have two syllables?
thanks,
-Hui
2013/7/11 Stephen Sprunk
> On 11-Jul-13 08:58, Simon Perreault wrote:
> > I have a
Right, it seems most email addresses are the correct order as far as my
email
deng...@chinamobile.com
denghu...@gmail.com
denghu...@hotmail.com
-Hui
2013/7/11 Ted Lemon
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Simon Perreault
> wrote:
> > Is there a
> > way to guess what order a name is written in? So
revised to "for english speaking people who care"
thanks
-Hui
2013/7/11 Ted Lemon
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:14 AM, Hui Deng wrote:
> > I personally feel that this is maybe one of not easier part for western
> people to do in today IETF. and chinese's names sound maybe more diffcult
> than othe
will mention this and candidate ways in the next version.
thanks,
-Hui
2013/7/11 Simon Perreault
> Le 2013-07-11 02:04, Hui Deng a écrit :
> > We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
> > people names:
> >
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-name
Hi Arturo,
diffcult for us, english speaking people other than western,
Section 4 has been moved.
thanks for your comments,
-Hui
2013/7/11 Arturo Servin
>
> Great document, I really liked.
>
> Same as SM I would suggest change "western" for something else.
>
> And I would also su
On Jul 12, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Eric Burger wrote:
> I kept my maiden name, too.
And I took my wife's last name when we married.
This caused no end of confusion at the marriage office, with their Borland C
"Turbo Vision" Text menu system app, with a space for a "maiden" name for the
female to c
I kept my maiden name, too. Another Western option, hyphenation, was not for
us. Who wants to be a Spear-Burger? Unless you want a Pepsi and chips with
that. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympia_Cafe
On Jul 10, 2013, at 9:00 PM, Ida wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 2013-07-10, at 8
Cyrus,
Even the notion of "First Name" and "Last Name" is specific to a certain group
of cultures. "Family Name" and "Given Name" don't always go in the same order,
and it is not always the case that people are called by their given name in
informal situations, as you can see in the drafts o
On 12/07/13 05:21, Randy Bush wrote:
I notice most names in IETF are still presented in the English order,
given name first and family name later.
same issue with japanese names. there seems to be a convention of
capitalizing the family name
randy
Indeed a good practice. Capitalizing the fam
> I notice most names in IETF are still presented in the English order,
> given name first and family name later.
same issue with japanese names. there seems to be a convention of
capitalizing the family name
randy
Hi Hui Deng,
My comment for the draft is that I want to relate it to IETF as below,
which I see that already some on IETF addressed by draft already call
names including regional calling culture, which is excellent. The
document will increase awareness and make the IETF culture more
diversive. Com
Yes, agree, we will change that accordingly.
Thanks.
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
> First/Last = bad/ambiguous
>
> Family (or maybe inherited) / Given = good
>
> Thanks,
> Donald
> =
> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
> 155 B
> Very cool! Thanks for writing this!
Our pleasure.
>
> I have a question: I think I've seen Chinese names written in both
> orders. That is, sometimes "Hui Deng" will be written "Deng Hui". Am I
> right? Does this happen often? What is the most common order? Is there a
> way to guess what order
+1
And should remove middle-name / middle-initial. It's very bad.
Joseph
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
> First/Last = bad/ambiguous
>
> Family (or maybe inherited) / Given = good
>
> Thanks,
> Donald
> =
> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-50
> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Melinda Shore
> I agree
> that this is probably not appropriate for publication as an RFC
> but it would certainly be useful to find someplace for it in the
> wiki. The chairs wiki might be an option but I think it's of
>
> From: Melinda Shore
> I agree that this is probably not appropriate for publication as an RFC
> but it would certainly be useful to find someplace for it in the wiki.
Actually, it would be good to have a series of these (or maybe one page with
a number of sections): we could also
On 7/11/13 4:14 AM, Hui Deng wrote:
> I personally feel that this is maybe one of not easier part for western
> people to do in today IETF. and chinese's names sound maybe more
> diffcult than other eastern languages.
I know it is for me, and I'm grateful for the draft. I agree
that this is prob
Howdy,
Thanks for your efforts. I would suggest, however, that you re-title your
drafts so that "Chinese" is restricted to the populations which use pinyin
and have standardized on what English speakers call Mandarin (國語
or 普通話, depending on your background). Those who use romanizations based
o
On 11 jul 2013, at 17:44, John C Klensin wrote:
> Not that rare if one includes "family name in the middle" as
> another case that is unusual relative to "normal English" usage.
Maybe people from Iceland should start explaining how things work there?
;-)
Patrik
Le 2013-07-11 17:44, John C KLENSIN a écrit :
>> Hence the common practise in some academic circles of giving
>> the family name in all capitals, to show which it is. So
>> whether you see Junichiro KOIZUMI or KOIZUMI Junichiro, you
>> know what you're seeing.
>
> Not just in academic circles but
On 10-Jul-13 19:04, Hui Deng wrote:
> We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
> people names:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
>
>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00
>
While "first name" and "last name" may be
--On Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:26 -0400 Noel Chiappa
wrote:
> > From: Simon Perreault
>
> > I think I've seen Chinese names written in both orders.
> That is, > sometimes "Hui Deng" will be written "Deng
> Hui". Am I right? Does this > happen often?
>
> I'm not certain about
First/Last = bad/ambiguous
Family (or maybe inherited) / Given = good
Thanks,
Donald
=
Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
d3e...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Cyrus Daboo wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
>
>
> From: Simon Perreault
> I think I've seen Chinese names written in both orders. That is,
> sometimes "Hui Deng" will be written "Deng Hui". Am I right? Does this
> happen often?
I'm not certain about Chinese, but I know that with Japanese names, which
have the same issue (famil
On 11-Jul-13 08:58, Simon Perreault wrote:
> I have a question: I think I've seen Chinese names written in both
> orders. That is, sometimes "Hui Deng" will be written "Deng Hui". Am
> I right? Does this happen often? What is the most common order? Is
> there a way to guess what order a name is wri
On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Simon Perreault
wrote:
> Is there a
> way to guess what order a name is written in? Sometimes it's not easy
> for non-Sinophones to know which part is the given name and which part
> is the family name.
It's usually in the Chinese order in the email address.
Hi Simon,
--On July 11, 2013 at 4:28:05 PM +0200 Simon Perreault
wrote:
So, from a technical standpoint, it seems better to always represent
user names using components (last, first, middle)? vCard does have an
"N" property where individual components of a name can be broken out.
I'm nowhe
On 07/11/2013 03:22 PM, Cyrus Daboo wrote:
>
> In iCalendar (RFC5545) we have properties to represent the organizer and
> attendee of meetings. A parameter (attribute) of those properties is
> "CN" - defined to be the "common name" of the corresponding calendar
> user. Obviously that is a single
Le 2013-07-11 16:22, Cyrus Daboo a écrit :
> So, from a technical standpoint, it seems better to always represent
> user names using components (last, first, middle)? vCard does have an
> "N" property where individual components of a name can be broken out.
I'm nowhere near an expert on this topic
Hi Simon,
--On July 11, 2013 at 3:58:10 PM +0200 Simon Perreault
wrote:
We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
people names:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00
Very cool!
Hi.
As I mentioned in private mail, I think these are really great
documents and will work on learning the advice contained in them.
I hope we will all strive to pronounce names of contributors and their
companies as they would wish us to pronounce them.
I was wondering if call-chinese-names cou
On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:14 AM, Hui Deng wrote:
> I personally feel that this is maybe one of not easier part for western
> people to do in today IETF. and chinese's names sound maybe more diffcult
> than other eastern languages.
I think these documents are useful for IETFers who care, and possib
On 7/11/13 10:58 AM, Simon Perreault wrote:
> I have a question: I think I've seen Chinese names written in both
> orders. That is, sometimes "Hui Deng" will be written "Deng Hui". Am I
> right? Does this happen often? What is the most common order? Is there a
> way to guess what order a name is w
Le 2013-07-11 02:04, Hui Deng a écrit :
> We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
> people names:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00
Very cool! Thanks for writing this!
I h
Great document, I really liked.
Same as SM I would suggest change "western" for something else.
And I would also suggest to move section 4 before explaining the
titles. I guess the reading would be much easier.
Regards,
as
On 7/10/13 9:55 PM, S Moonesamy wrote:
> Hi Deng Hui,
> At
Hi Mikael,
I will change informational to no-purpose, not require IETF to publish it.
what we do is just want to help people who would like to follow it.
I personally feel that this is maybe one of not easier part for western
people to do in today IETF. and chinese's names sound maybe more diffc
to:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Hui Deng
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:05 AM
> *To:* IETF Discussion
> *Subject:* Regarding call Chinese names
>
> ** **
>
> Hello all
>
>
>
> We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly ca
Hi S. Moonesamy,
Thanks a lot, we will add that explaination you suggested in the next
version.
Best regards,
-Hui
2013/7/11 S Moonesamy
> Hi Deng Hui,
>
> At 17:04 10-07-2013, Hui Deng wrote:
>
>> We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
>> people names:
>>
>> h
On 11/07/13 12:05, Tom McLoughlin wrote:
I've always pronounced Huawei as Hawaii tbh.
Not a bad idea to get Huawei smartphones under that brand name, which
sounds quite cute :)
Aaron
On 11/07/2013 11:25, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013, Zhongxin (Victor) wrote:
BRAVO, te
I've always pronounced Huawei as Hawaii tbh.
On 11/07/2013 11:25, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2013, Zhongxin (Victor) wrote:
>
>> BRAVO, techies not speaking Chinese would no longer mispronounce
>> “Huawei” as the name of some U.S state.
>
> I have asked Huawei staff how it's pronou
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013, Zhongxin (Victor) wrote:
BRAVO, techies not speaking Chinese would no longer mispronounce
“Huawei” as the name of some U.S state.
I have asked Huawei staff how it's pronounced and I think I get it fairly
right. People who hasn't, might get confused because when I use that
...@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org>
[mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hui Deng
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:05 AM
To: IETF Discussion
Subject: Regarding call Chinese names
Hello all
We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese people
names:
A typo in draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00: "Jiao4shao4" should be "Jiao4shou4".
Cheers,
Shucheng LIU (Will)
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hui Deng
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:05 AM
To: IETF Discussion
Subject: Regarding call Chin
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM, S Moonesamy wrote:
> Hi Deng Hui,
>
> At 17:04 10-07-2013, Hui Deng wrote:
>>
>> We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
>> people names:
>>
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
>>
>>http://tools.ietf.org/
On 7/10/2013 8:04 PM, Hui Deng wrote:
> Hello all
>
> We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
> people names:
>
>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00
>
Fantastic. Short and
Hi Deng Hui,
At 17:04 10-07-2013, Hui Deng wrote:
We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call
chinese people names:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00
I would like to thank you and your c
Sent from my iPad
On 2013-07-10, at 8:59 PM, Ida wrote:
> One comment: I think most of the Chinese women don't change to our husband's
> last name. So, my husband is not Mr Leung. We love to keep our own last
> name.
>
> ...Ida
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 2013-07-10, at 8:04 PM, Hu
Hello all
We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese
people names:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00
Feel free to let us know if you have any other issues?
Best regards,
-Hui
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