Stacy,
While people are talking about switching from Google, the underlying
question really is how do we know we can trust Google? Yes, we have a
signed agreement with them, but would we be able to tell if they are
violating the agreement? If people are confident that we can hold Google
accountabl
Hi all, I work on the privacy team at Mozilla. In reading through these posts,
I see two key lines of questioning:
1) How is analytics tracking consistent with Mozilla's values? And
specifically, how is it consistent with valuing privacy?
2) Why do we use Google? And can we switch?
Because b
Hi all, I work on the privacy team at Mozilla. In reading through these posts,
I see two key lines of questioning:
1) How is analytics tracking consistent with Mozilla's values? And
specifically, how is it consistent with valuing privacy?
2) Why do we use Google? And can we switch?
Because b
On Apr 30, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Michael Kelly wrote:
> The issue of privacy vs. analytics is a complex one. There's a few
> different questions that need to be answered to justify Mozilla's use
> of Google Analytics. I'm just a lowly webdev who doesn't know too much
> about official stances and
Le 05/05/2014 11:16, Ryan Kelly a écrit :
On 5/05/2014 6:26 PM, David Bruant wrote:
Le 05/05/2014 08:47, Jim a écrit :
Now, tell us why Facebook and Twitter were associated prominently with
children pleading for their privacy and control on the web?
I don't know. What is this children story?
On 5/05/2014 6:26 PM, David Bruant wrote:
> Le 05/05/2014 08:47, Jim a écrit :
>
>> Now, tell us why Facebook and Twitter were associated prominently with
>> children pleading for their privacy and control on the web?
> I don't know. What is this children story? Never heard of it, but I'm
> curiou
Le 05/05/2014 08:47, Jim a écrit :
On 2014-05-03 08:34, David Bruant wrote:
You need to understand the constraints and then apply creative
design within these constraints. For example, a row of attractive
feedback buttons that work with JS disabled, and when JS is enabled
zoom in on these whe
On 2014-05-03 08:34, David Bruant wrote:
Le 03/05/2014 05:52, Jim a écrit :
On 2014-05-02 07:45, David Bruant wrote:
Le 02/05/2014 05:46, Jim a écrit :
The feedback Mozilla is trying to gather on the usability of the
page could have been obtained using 'feedback' buttons.
If by that you mean t
Hello Gareth,
Thanks for your answer, but I am still a bit unhappy with the
explanation provided, because a contract is not a good argument for me
(and for lots of people too, especially after Prism has been revealed).
Though I understand the needs of these requests.
As a compromise, couldn't
Le 03/05/2014 05:52, Jim a écrit :
On 2014-05-02 07:45, David Bruant wrote:
Le 02/05/2014 05:46, Jim a écrit :
The feedback Mozilla is trying to gather on the usability of the
page could have been obtained using 'feedback' buttons.
If by that you mean that the web page could have a button that
On 2014-05-02 07:45, David Bruant wrote:
Le 02/05/2014 05:46, Jim a écrit :
The feedback Mozilla is trying to gather on the usability of the page
could have been obtained using 'feedback' buttons.
If by that you mean that the web page could have a button that pops up
a form that people fill in
Gareth
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I completely support your goals and
laud the improvements that we have seen due to the measurements of
visitor behavior on mozilla.org and the refinement of the content to
better engage our web site visitors.
But...
On 05/01/2014 08:08 AM, gc...@m
Le 02/05/2014 05:46, Jim a écrit :
The feedback Mozilla is trying to gather on the usability of the page
could have been obtained using 'feedback' buttons.
If by that you mean that the web page could have a button that pops up a
form that people fill in and submit, this is nonsensical (if you me
The problem is that Mozilla do no understand privacy. This web page
demonstrates this in many ways. The web page should have been designed
to work even with JavaScript disabled and this is the core failure. If
the web page had been designed to work well with JS disabled then it
would have b
Le 01/05/2014 16:58, Stormy Peters a écrit :
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Florent Fayolle <
florent.fayoll...@gmail.com> wrote:
The question about using GA or not is crucial but rather a long-term
question [1].
What worries me the most here is the AJAX requests made at each click on
that pa
Le 01/05/2014 17:17, Gijs Kruitbosch a écrit :
On 01/05/2014 15:43, Pascal Chevrel wrote:
Looking at the Piwik site, it seems some big companies like T-Mobile use
it, I know the volume we have on mozilla.org so maybe Piwik doesn't
scale *yet* to out needs, but this is an open source project and
I think the "master" question is: How would we know if Google is misusing
the data?
All of the others follow out of that. If we can't know whether or not
Google is misusing the data then it's a matter of faith, and that's not the
best position to be in.
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Michael K
On 5/1/14 10:43 AM, Pascal Chevrel wrote:
> Was Piwik and other analytics solutions evaluated or was it just a
> direct decision to go to GA because we know it scales to our needs and
> everybody use it? If Piwik was evaluated and some features were missing,
> did we open bugs, communicate with P
On Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:58:43 AM UTC-4, Stormy Peters wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Florent Fayolle <
>
> florent.fayoll...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The question about using GA or not is crucial but rather a long-term
>
> > question [1].
>
> > What worries me the most here
On 01/05/2014 15:43, Pascal Chevrel wrote:
Looking at the Piwik site, it seems some big companies like T-Mobile use
it, I know the volume we have on mozilla.org so maybe Piwik doesn't
scale *yet* to out needs, but this is an open source project and as
such, fixable, and that doesn't mean that we
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Florent Fayolle <
florent.fayoll...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The question about using GA or not is crucial but rather a long-term
> question [1].
> What worries me the most here is the AJAX requests made at each click on
> that page.
>
> I agree with Benoit: we can't re
Le 01/05/2014 15:20, Michael Kelly a écrit :
I don't think he's on this mailing list, so I'm CCing Gareth Cull, who
is the Analytics Engineer for mozilla.org. He can answer any specific
questions about why a particular type of tracking was put on mozilla.org
(which may give insight into the great
Re-CCing Gareth so he can answer. :D
- Mike Kelly
On Thu May 1 09:49:29 2014, Florent Fayolle wrote:
> I am talking about this page:
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/29.0/whatsnew/?oldversion=28.0
>
> Each time a button is clicked on that page, a request is done:
> http://i.imgur.com/85Ws
I am talking about this page:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/29.0/whatsnew/?oldversion=28.0
Each time a button is clicked on that page, a request is done:
http://i.imgur.com/85WsrUP.png
Florent
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I don't think he's on this mailing list, so I'm CCing Gareth Cull, who
is the Analytics Engineer for mozilla.org. He can answer any specific
questions about why a particular type of tracking was put on mozilla.org
(which may give insight into the greater purpose of this kind of analytics).
I'm not
Hi,
I fully support Benoit words. I followed and was involved in the
discussion about the GA switch years ago and even with the explanation I
didn't feel comfortable with it.
As an example, at Mozilla Hispano sites, we used to have GA too.
Basically because it was the best and easiest way to do a
The question about using GA or not is crucial but rather a long-term question
[1].
What worries me the most here is the AJAX requests made at each click on that
page.
I agree with Benoit: we can't reassure our users by some little clauses
accessible on some page on the web, because they won't r
On April 30, 2014 9:47:55 PM EEST, Robert Kaiser wrote:
>benoit.les...@gmail.com wrote:
>> * The user doesn't know that. Even if
>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003804 was fixed, nobody
>reads all the small print. All they will see is we send their data to
>Google, period.
>
>That's
benoit.les...@gmail.com wrote:
* The user doesn't know that. Even if
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003804 was fixed, nobody reads
all the small print. All they will see is we send their data to Google, period.
That's the one argument that I think is most important here.
While
On 4/30/14 11:46 AM, benoit.les...@gmail.com wrote:
> I've read the previous discussion again and I think we may want to revisit
> this decision, at least as a long-term goal.
>
> First, it was made two years ago when Mozilla wasn't so vocal about Privacy
> and User control as our core values. W
Yes, we have to be careful to distinguish between what Mozilla as an
organization is equipped to do and what Mozilla as a community is capable
of doing. It is acceptable to say that MoCo can't make this a priority with
dedicated resources at the moment, but that doesn't mean that if a group of
cont
On 2014-04-30, 1:19 PM, Pascal Chevrel wrote:
Obviously you don't know Benoit. He has been deeply involved in the
Mozilla project for at least 10 years, he is one of our core
localizers for French, he was there when there was no money, no
employee and we had to build products on our own machin
Le 30/04/2014 18:11, Mike Hoye a écrit :
On 2014-04-30, 11:46 AM, benoit.les...@gmail.com wrote:
I think these are bad excuses. The right thing being hard is never a
good excuse for not doing the right thing. If that means hiring more
people, or mobilizing more community members to achieve that
On 2014-04-30, 11:46 AM, benoit.les...@gmail.com wrote:
I think these are bad excuses. The right thing being hard is never a
good excuse for not doing the right thing. If that means hiring more
people, or mobilizing more community members to achieve that goal, or
lose a few months of good stati
On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:54:21 PM UTC+2, Michael Kelly wrote:
> Stacy Martin from Mozilla's Privacy team helped consider this question,
>
> and concluded that GA did meet our requirements for privacy-respectful
>
> analytics. As mentioned in the bug, there was a discussion when we
>
> f
The issue of privacy vs. analytics is a complex one. There's a few
different questions that need to be answered to justify Mozilla's use
of Google Analytics. I'm just a lowly webdev who doesn't know too much
about official stances and tech, but here's my take:
First: Is it okay to track user ac
Le mardi 29 avril 2014 23:13:25 UTC+2, Florent Fayolle a écrit :
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Everything is described in this bug:
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003391
>
>
>
> To summarize, the whatsnew page sends an Ajax request to Google Analytics
> each time the user clicks on it
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