Re: Approving of string freeze breaks (was: Re: Fwd: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD')

2008-02-16 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
All rigth all rigth, it just sounded like blame when people are talking about that _the problem_ is that nobody translates before string freeze. Anyway, to get back to the subject at hand. There are more than just one question in this. When we get mail on the list about changes in strings the reaso

Re: Approving of string freeze breaks (was: Re: Fwd: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD')

2008-02-16 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! OK, from developer point of view: > "Use comments" You know what you mean when you created the string and it is really difficult to estimate if the string is understandable for others. Developers only add comments when it is technical necessary, something like "translate the same as in prog

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-16 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! > Yeah but translating before freeze also means a lot greater loss in > the translation process. > Regards Kenneth Nielsen That's not really the point. What I wanted to point out is that if most translation works only starts after string freeze than people should be aware of that certain str

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-16 Thread Deniz Koçak
2008/2/16 Kenneth Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Am Freitag, den 15.02.2008, 14:49 +0200 schrieb Ihar Hrachyshka: > > > And when were these bugs discovered? > > > > one week ago by filing this bug report: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515119 . > > > > so please do not blame the mod

Re: Approving of string freeze breaks (was: Re: Fwd: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD')

2008-02-16 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
I don't quite agree with the conclusion here, that developers are not to blame at all. In my experience if developers would read the documentation on i18n [1]in the developer guide, especially the part about "Use comments" "Never split sentences" "Plurals" "Avoid markup wherever possible" and bes

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-16 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
> > Am Freitag, den 15.02.2008, 14:49 +0200 schrieb Ihar Hrachyshka: > > And when were these bugs discovered? > > one week ago by filing this bug report: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515119 . > > so please do not blame the module maintainer who reacted quickly. > instead BLAME OTHER

Re: Approving of string freeze breaks (was: Re: Fwd: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD')

2008-02-15 Thread Leonardo Fontenelle
That's what we've being doing in Brazil, but I'm not sure smaller teams can do it. (Not that ours is large :) Leonardo Fontenelle http://leonardof.org 2008/2/15, Claudio Saavedra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > El vie, 15-02-2008 a las 10:34 -0300, Jonh Wendell escribió: > > > > > Indeed. Which makes

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Ihar Hrachyshka
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Andre Klapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Freitag, den 15.02.2008, 14:49 +0200 schrieb Ihar Hrachyshka: > > > And when were these bugs discovered? > > one week ago by filing this bug report: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515119 . > > so please d

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Freitag, den 15.02.2008, 14:49 +0200 schrieb Ihar Hrachyshka: > And when were these bugs discovered? one week ago by filing this bug report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515119 . so please do not blame the module maintainer who reacted quickly. instead BLAME OTHER TRANSLATORS for

Re: Approving of string freeze breaks (was: Re: Fwd: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD')

2008-02-15 Thread Claudio Saavedra
El vie, 15-02-2008 a las 10:34 -0300, Jonh Wendell escribió: > > Indeed. Which makes me think if it's time to change some policies. > Either teams do start translating *before* the freeze (in order to > file bugs in time), or we should change the term 'freeze' by a new > one. IMHO, string change

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Stef Walter
Claude Paroz wrote: > It's nice to have committed my patch :-) ... but we're now in string > freeze, so it needs to be approved before being committed. Apologies. I understood (wrongly) that changes demanded by translators were automatically "approved". Ooops, sorry for the trouble. Cheers, Stef

Re: Approving of string freeze breaks (was: Re: Fwd: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD')

2008-02-15 Thread Jonh Wendell
Em Sex, 2008-02-15 às 14:10 +0100, Johannes Schmid escreveu: > Well, I wouldn't blame developers that much. Many teams (besides the > really big) start translating not really before string-freeze and thus > those bug-reports come in after freeze. Developers are usually not > really aware of potent

Approving of string freeze breaks (was: Re: Fwd: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD')

2008-02-15 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! > I also agree that the practics of approving general, not-so-critical > string freeze breaks is bad very bad. It seems that developers don't > think it's a time for mandatory freeze rather time to begin fixing > string problems. And that's because we approve all their requests to > break the

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Ihar Hrachyshka
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Jorge González González <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > El vie, 15-02-2008 a las 13:33 +0100, Johannes Schmid escribió: > > Hi! > > > > Am Freitag, den 15.02.2008, 13:14 +0100 schrieb Gil Forcada: > > > since it's the beginning of the string freeze and the strings a

Fwd: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Ihar Hrachyshka
2008/2/15 Johannes Schmid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi! > > Am Freitag, den 15.02.2008, 13:14 +0100 schrieb Gil Forcada: > > since it's the beginning of the string freeze and the strings are easy > > to translate ... (drums) > > > > 2/2 ! > > I have no problem with this change but what I do not under

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Jorge González González
El vie, 15-02-2008 a las 13:33 +0100, Johannes Schmid escribió: > Hi! > > Am Freitag, den 15.02.2008, 13:14 +0100 schrieb Gil Forcada: > > since it's the beginning of the string freeze and the strings are easy > > to translate ... (drums) > > > > 2/2 ! > > I have no problem with this change but

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! Am Freitag, den 15.02.2008, 13:14 +0100 schrieb Gil Forcada: > since it's the beginning of the string freeze and the strings are easy > to translate ... (drums) > > 2/2 ! I have no problem with this change but what I do not understand: We allow a string freeze break here for 18 strings but r

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Gil Forcada
since it's the beginning of the string freeze and the strings are easy to translate ... (drums) 2/2 ! cheers, El dv 15 de 02 del 2008 a les 10:50 +0100, en/na Gabor Kelemen va escriure: > Claude Paroz írta: > > Le jeudi 14 février 2008 à 23:37 +, GNOME Status Pages a écrit : > >> This is an

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Gabor Kelemen
Claude Paroz írta: > Le jeudi 14 février 2008 à 23:37 +, GNOME Status Pages a écrit : >> This is an automatic notification from status generation scripts on: >> http://l10n.gnome.org/. >> >> There have been following string additions to module 'gnome-keyring.HEAD': >> >> + "An applicati

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
> > Le vendredi 15 février 2008 à 09:09 +0100, Kenneth Nielsen a écrit : > > > > > Le jeudi 14 février 2008 à 23:37 +, GNOME Status Pages a > > écrit : > > > > > This is an automatic notification from status generation > > scripts on: > > > http://l10

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Claude Paroz
Le vendredi 15 février 2008 à 09:09 +0100, Kenneth Nielsen a écrit : > > Le jeudi 14 février 2008 à 23:37 +, GNOME Status Pages a > écrit : > > > This is an automatic notification from status generation > scripts on: > > http://l10n.gnome.or

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-15 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
> Le jeudi 14 février 2008 à 23:37 +, GNOME Status Pages a écrit : > > > This is an automatic notification from status generation scripts on: > > http://l10n.gnome.org/. > > > > There have been following string additions to module 'gnome-keyring.HEAD > ': > > > > + "An application wants

Re: String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-14 Thread Claude Paroz
Le jeudi 14 février 2008 à 23:37 +, GNOME Status Pages a écrit : > This is an automatic notification from status generation scripts on: > http://l10n.gnome.org/. > > There have been following string additions to module 'gnome-keyring.HEAD': > > + "An application wants access to the ce

String additions to 'gnome-keyring.HEAD'

2008-02-14 Thread GNOME Status Pages
This is an automatic notification from status generation scripts on: http://l10n.gnome.org/. There have been following string additions to module 'gnome-keyring.HEAD': + "An application wants access to the certificate '%s', but it is locked" + "An application wants access to the priva