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On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:35:44PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
On 12/15/2012 10:03 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:10:22PM -0500, Richard Yao
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William Hubbs wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:35:44PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
> > On 12/15/2012 10:03 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:10:22PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
> > >> On 12/15/2012 06:02 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > >>> Al
On 17 December 2012 00:10, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote:
>> On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>>> Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
>>> some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation
>
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:10:06 -0500
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> > Parts of this docs are outdated but this does not matter. Get
> > involved, fix bugs, help people and someone will ask you to join. Or
> > look for a mentor.
>
> If your recruitment process is "fix bugs for years and maybe someone
>
On 16 December 2012 19:14, Michael Mol wrote:
>>
>>> People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
>>> the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable.
>>
>> Well that's not entirely true but that's a different issue
>
> What's not really true? That it's the mos
Hi lads,
lately I am having bit of problems from getting relevant debug info from users.
Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
default enabled and add -g to default cflags. Currently it is only
enabled i
On 17/12/2012 11:11, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
> few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
> default enabled and add -g to default cflags. Currently it is only
> enabled in the developer profile.
Why, somebody
Currently we put portage into /usr/portage and all related stuff is to
be in the subfolders there (distfiles, binpkg).
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world and config files to be put elsew
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
>
> I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
> /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
> make world and config files to be put elsewhere :P).
I would say let's work on that so that portage can keep th
2012/12/17 Diego Elio Pettenò :
> On 17/12/2012 11:11, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
>> Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
>> few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
>> default enabled and add -g to default cflags. Currently it is only
>> enabled in
2012/12/17 Diego Elio Pettenò :
> On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
>>
>> I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
>> /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
>> make world and config files to be put elsewhere :P).
>
> I would say let's
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> >
> > I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
> > /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
> > make world and config files to be put e
Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012, 11:11:38 schrieb Tomáš Chvátal:
> Hi lads,
> lately I am having bit of problems from getting relevant debug info from
> users.
>
> Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
> few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
> d
On 17 December 2012 18:26, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> 2012/12/17 Diego Elio Pettenò :
> > On 17/12/2012 11:11, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> >> Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
> >> few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
> >> default enabled and a
On 17 December 2012 18:27, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> 2012/12/17 Diego Elio Pettenò :
> > On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> >>
> >> I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
> >> /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
> >> make world an
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 03:17:05PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 12/15/2012 02:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:58:43 -0500
> > "Walter Dnes" wrote:
> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:07:09PM +0100, Micha?? G??rny wrote
> >>> Waaait, what? Did something change lately or are you
On 17/12/2012 11:33, Sven Eden wrote:
> on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS use -
> march=native, -O2 and -ggdb.
That's -ggdb that increases the size.
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On 16 December 2012 18:53, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> 1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org.
>> That's impressive-bad.
>>
>> People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
>> the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable.
On 17/12/2012 11:26, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> I silently hope they copy the default cflags to their make.conf and
> then set march and add more stuff, rather than starting from scratch.
> Also we can pop-up newsitem asking them to put it into cflags ;-)
>
They don't, they use those coming from cata
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 11:11 +0100, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> Hi lads,
> lately I am having bit of problems from getting relevant debug info from
> users.
>
> Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
> few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
> defau
2012/12/17 Sven Eden :
> Hello Tomáš,
>
> on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS use -
> march=native, -O2 and -ggdb.
> And this is the result: (Yes, I have a dedictated partition for that.)
>
> ~ $ LC_ALL=C df -h /usr/lib/debug/.
> Filesystem Size Used Avai
2012/12/17 Alexandre Rostovtsev :
>
> The bigger problem is not disk space but memory usage at link time. Try
> building something like *-webkit-* or firefox with debugging CFLAGS on a
> machine with limited memory.
>
>
That ain't problem, we acutally can patch in those packages to strip
the debug
2012/12/17 Ben de Groot :
> Please don't. For most users this is a waste of resources.
>
On first look it seems like waste of resources.
On second hand it makes stuff easy wrt bugreports provided by users.
And believe me when I say most upstreams are pissed by gentoo reports
because they lack any g
On 17/12/2012 11:54, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> That ain't problem, we acutally can patch in those packages to strip
> the debug by default and add there useflag to not strip those for
> those really needing it.
No. USE=debug is for _something else_ entirely. And I'm going to kick
hard whoever tries t
On 17/12/12 11:23, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
>>
>> I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
>> /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
>> make world and config files to be put elsewhere :P).
>
> I wo
On 12/17/12 11:30 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world
On 12/17/12 11:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
So systemd still works with a separate /usr and you're continuing to
spread misinformation. Demonstrating such behaviour while complaining
about the behaviour of upstream is IMO very ironic.
No it does not, try by yourself please ^^
(or just issue and
On 17/12/2012 12:06, justin wrote:
> fetch-restricted files are to be considered critical here. Do we want to
> force the user to keep them twice? So an additional location which is
> not a "cache"?
> Of course PORTAGE_RO_DISTDIRS and friends are nice here, but they are
> not part of a default setu
Il 17/12/2012 11:42, Diego Elio Pettenò ha scritto:
On 17/12/2012 11:33, Sven Eden wrote:
on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS use -
march=native, -O2 and -ggdb.
That's -ggdb that increases the size.
In short FEATURES=compressdebug should be stable and de
On 17/12/2012 12:37, viv...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> In short FEATURES=compressdebug should be stable and default before you
> (gentoo) decide for something like this.
> As mentioned somewhere else in this thread some packages are on the
> unbeareable side when compiled with debug information, those s
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò
wrote:
> I would say let's work on that so that portage can keep them there.
> Although I'm more for /var/cache/portage myself, as both distfiles and
> tree can be re-generated.
+1.
Cheers,
Dirkjan
On 17 December 2012 09:40, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:10:06 -0500
> Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>
>> > Parts of this docs are outdated but this does not matter. Get
>> > involved, fix bugs, help people and someone will ask you to join. Or
>> > look for a mentor.
>>
>> If your recrui
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> I silently hope they copy the default cflags to their make.conf and
> then set march and add more stuff, rather than starting from scratch.
> Also we can pop-up newsitem asking them to put it into cflags ;-)
You might want to get the handbo
On 17 December 2012 10:11, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> Hi lads,
> lately I am having bit of problems from getting relevant debug info from
> users.
>
> Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
> few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
> default enabl
+1 /var/cache
Derek Dai
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
> Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
>
> > On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> > >
> > > I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
> > > /var/portage/ (
On 17 December 2012 10:30, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
> Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
>
>> On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
>> >
>> > I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
>> > /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered e
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
> Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
> this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
> actually have the time to invest in a complete webpage redesign.
If we have funds for this kind of th
On Monday 17 December 2012 11:19:20 Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
> /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
> make world and config files to be put elsewhere :P).
Finally!
And, while we are at it, lets more dis
Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012, 11:47:24 schrieb Tomáš Chvátal:
> 2012/12/17 Sven Eden :
> > Hello Tomáš,
> >
> > on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS
> > use - march=native, -O2 and -ggdb.
> > And this is the result: (Yes, I have a dedictated partition for that.)
On 17.12.2012 11:23, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world and config files to be put elsewhere :P).
I would say let
On 17/12/12 12:17, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 17/12/2012 12:06, justin wrote:
>> fetch-restricted files are to be considered critical here. Do we want to
>> force the user to keep them twice? So an additional location which is
>> not a "cache"?
>> Of course PORTAGE_RO_DISTDIRS and friends are n
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
> Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
>> I would say let's work on that so that portage can keep them there.
>> Although I'm more for /var/cache/portage myself, as both distfiles and
>> tree can be re-generated.
> +1 on /
On 17/12/2012 13:42, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> If we change the location, can we then move distfiles to some place
> outside of the tree? Something like:
>
>/var/cache/portage
>/var/cache/distfiles
What I do on my systems is
/var/cache/portage/tree
/var/cache/portage/distfiles
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On 17/12/2012 13:39, justin wrote:
> I am more thinking about packages which are not as easy accessible as
> JRE. There are a couple sci packages which are distributed on request by
> mail other inconvenient methods. Sometimes even not by your own, but by
> your PI or other seniors. And even someti
On 12/17/2012 05:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 03:17:05PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
>> On 12/15/2012 02:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:58:43 -0500
>>> "Walter Dnes" wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:07:09PM +0100, Micha?? G??rny wrote
> Waaait
Am Montag, den 17.12.2012, 11:19 +0100 schrieb Tomáš Chvátal:
> Currently we put portage into /usr/portage and all related stuff is to
> be in the subfolders there (distfiles, binpkg).
>
> I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
> /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:09:08PM +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
> On 12/17/12 11:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> >So systemd still works with a separate /usr and you're continuing to
> >spread misinformation. Demonstrating such behaviour while complaining
> >about the behaviour of upstream is IMO very i
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:19:20 +0100
Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> The only reason why we have this currently in usr is that bsd ports
> put their stuff in there and I suppose Daniel just did the same.
>> +1 on /var/cache.
>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>Bonus points if we consider suggesting to move it on a dedica
On 12/17/2012 11:11 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> Hi lads,
> lately I am having bit of problems from getting relevant debug info from
> users.
All trouble can be saved by asking user to recompile package with
relevant flags on bug report, resolving the bug as NEEDINFO. Instead of
forcing everybody o
On 17/12/2012 14:40, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> /var sounds right but if /usr is still huge it may annoy some (like
> apt can) with smaller drives who now need lots of free space for new
> programs in both /usr and /var. Of course there is LVM.
Changing our defaults is unlikely to force users to chan
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> So it's probably a user exercise?
It already is a user exercise. A stage3 doesn't even contain the
/usr/portage directory - you manually create it per the handbook (or
more likely let tar/etc do it for you.
I also would like to see distfi
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> All trouble can be saved by asking user to recompile package with
> relevant flags on bug report, resolving the bug as NEEDINFO. Instead of
> forcing everybody out there using Gentoo to have additional XGb for
> debug, patching troublesome p
On 17/12/2012 14:49, Rich Freeman wrote:
> I'd also suggest at least considering how paludis handles this. They
> just have a directory containing config file per repository, with a
> priority setting. The portage tree is just another overlay, which is
> a good way to handle it. The sync mechani
On 17/12/2012 14:55, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Tend to agree. Plus, you can always compile -O0 in such a case and
> get more useful debug info besides (yes, I know this can be misleading
> under some circumstances, but not all packages are glibc).
No. No. No. No. No. . No.
It's not "being gl
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
>
> Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
> this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
> actually have the time to invest in a complete webpage redesign.
Before we considered undertaking th
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò
wrote:
> So please stop giving this stupid suggestion, which causes enough grief
> as it is without being repeated once again.
Uh, sure, insofar as it is possible to stop doing something that
you've done exactly once... :)
However, I've found
On 12/17/2012 08:25 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:09:08PM +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
>> On 12/17/12 11:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
>>> So systemd still works with a separate /usr and you're continuing to
>>> spread misinformation. Demonstrating such behaviour while complaining
On 17/12/2012 15:20, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Uh, sure, insofar as it is possible to stop doing something that
> you've done exactly once... :)
In general, I've heard the same suggestion touted too many times
already. It's this kind of misinformation and cargo culting that often
causes `strip-flags`
Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012, 11:23:00 schrieb Diego Elio Pettenò:
> On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> > I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
> > /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
> > make world and config files to be put el
On 17/12/2012 15:49, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> What about setups where portage tree is mounted via NFS to reduce traffic and
> disk space?
Since nothing in Gentoo and/or other distributions _enforces_ FHS,
you're allowed to do as you prefer
> FHS states[1] that /var/cache is *locally* genera
On 17 December 2012 12:31, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
>> Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
>> this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
>> actually have the time to invest in a complete
Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012, 15:56:11 schrieb Diego Elio Pettenò:
> On 17/12/2012 15:49, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> > What about setups where portage tree is mounted via NFS to reduce traffic
> > and disk space?
>
> Since nothing in Gentoo and/or other distributions _enforces_ FHS,
> you're allowed
Hi everyone,
Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should probably
mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo Development next
semester. I know two students will most likely go through the
recruitment process, others may at least contribute. So its like GSoC
but th
On 12/17/2012 05:30 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world
On 17 December 2012 14:08, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>
>> Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
>> this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
>> actually have the time to invest in a complete
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 11:23 +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> >
> > I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
> > /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
> > make world and config files to be put els
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 13:47 +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 17/12/2012 13:39, justin wrote:
> > I am more thinking about packages which are not as easy accessible as
> > JRE. There are a couple sci packages which are distributed on request by
> > mail other inconvenient methods. Sometimes eve
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 15:56 +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 17/12/2012 15:49, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> > What about setups where portage tree is mounted via NFS to reduce traffic
> > and
> > disk space?
>
> Since nothing in Gentoo and/or other distributions _enforces_ FHS,
> you're allowe
On 17/12/2012 16:51, Brian Dolbec wrote:
>> >
> then /var/repositories/ similar to my previous reply. It is very clear
> by the name what it's purpose is. Also name the portage tree dir gentoo
> like it's repo_name and all but one of the layman overlays available to
> install.
Erm, why should
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On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should probably
> mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo Development next
> semester. I know two students will mos
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 15:02 +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 17/12/2012 14:49, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > I'd also suggest at least considering how paludis handles this. They
> > just have a directory containing config file per repository, with a
> > priority setting. The portage tree is just a
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:56:11 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> Any other suggestions on where to place it? And please don't say
> /var/lib because that would usually be backed up.
/var/db
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On 12/17/12 2:11 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
> few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
> default enabled and add -g to default cflags. Currently it is only
> enabled in the developer profile.
Fully seconded
On 12/17/12 2:19 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> With respect to reality how stuff is done in the linux land all the
> variable data should be in /var so we should adjust and move it in
> there too.
>
> What would you think?
Fully seconded.
+1 to /var/cache/portage and having distfiles outside of th
On 12/17/12 7:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> So what should I teach? Here's what I've got off the top of my head:
> Please comment. If it gets systematized enough, it can be a guide to
> future devs too. Everything will be creative commons.
I think it's worth to mention somewhere that althou
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:37:27PM +0100, Sven Eden wrote
> 1) --- kde-base/kate
> -
>
> Compiled with -ggdb in CFLAGS:
>
> # sum=0; for file in $(equery f kde-base/kate | grep "\.debug") ; do
> xSize=$(stat -c "%s" $file) ; sum=$((sum+xSize)) ; done ; echo "$sum"
>
On 12/17/2012 02:55 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Kacper Kowalik wrote:
>> All trouble can be saved by asking user to recompile package with
>> relevant flags on bug report, resolving the bug as NEEDINFO. Instead of
>> forcing everybody out there using Gentoo to have a
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On 17/12/12 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should
> probably mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo
> Development next semester. I know two students will mos
On 12/17/2012 12:23 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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On 17/12/12 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
Hi everyone,
5. How to write ebuilds, ie the dev manual. How to work with cvs
and git.
"5.5: BUGS"
Very appropriate here to include somewhere (p
On 2012.12.17 16:02, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should
> > probably mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo
> > Development
[snip]
> Can I take this
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> Please comment. If it gets systematized enough, it can be a guide to future
> devs too.
Hi, what is the level of the students, what are the prerequisites
(i.e., have they already seen some systems programming using C?), and
how many wee
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Roy Bamford wrote:
> On 2012.12.17 16:02, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
>> On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should
>> > probably mention that I'm teaching a College
>
> 4. How to work with gnu autotools. Writing a build system.
Writing a build system from scratch is actually not a requirement.
However one should understand basics of the most popular build systems
and probably have some advanced understaning of Makefiles and how flags
work, where they should
On 12/17/2012 07:11 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> Then convert to autotools, update
> dependencies. Do it all on GitHub, with a separate branch for
> converting to autotools.
>
That's not really a common thing to do for ebuild development (neither
converting nor writing from scratch).
Actually you
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:32:03 -0500
"Anthony G. Basile" wrote:
> 5. How to write ebuilds, ie the dev manual. How to work with cvs
> and git.
An important thing to teach here is how to code to a spec vs how to
code to an implementation. It's also something people should know in
general...
--
Ci
On 2012.12.17 15:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 17 December 2012 12:31, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras
> wrote:
> >> Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in
> doing
> >> this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and non
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
> As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
> not work. We are discussing some of the things necessary to make it work.
Just to repeat:
In this thread it was claimed that a separate /usr is not supported by
sy
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:02:24AM -0500, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
> Can I take this course online? Will the lectures be recorded?
>
I would second the idea of an "online course" if that is possible: I
would even gladly do the "beta testing" of such an online course... ;)
WKR
Hinnerk
Olav Vitters wrote:
>On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
>> As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
>> not work. We are discussing some of the things necessary to make it
>work.
>
>Just to repeat:
>In this thread it was claimed that a separat
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:14:49 -0500
Michael Mol wrote:
> I face funroll-loops references and worse almost every time I bring up
> Gentoo among a different group of Linux-familiar technical people.
> There are still *very* strong prejudices against Gentoo in most places
Comparing Gentoo to "binary
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:18 PM, hasufell wrote:
> On 12/17/2012 07:11 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
>> Then convert to autotools, update
>> dependencies. Do it all on GitHub, with a separate branch for
>> converting to autotools.
>
> That's not really a common thing to do for ebuild development (neit
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:07:59AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Announcing once to -dev-announce due to the general importance of this
> topic to the community, but ALL replies should go to -nfp, or to
> trustees@ if you must, or to /dev/null if you shouldn't.
>
> Before I start, yes, the trustees
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> Olav Vitters wrote:
>
> >On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
> >> As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
> >> not work. We are discussing some of the things necessary to make it
On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should probably
> mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo Development next
> semester. I know two students will most likely go through the
> recruitment proces
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Roy Bamford wrote:
> Suppose the team in [1] above wrote the specification, who needs to
> agree it?
>
> The council, the trustees, the body of devs ... some combination of
> that list. All in all, producing an agreed specification for a website
> it probably as m
Am 17.12.2012 17:02, schrieb Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina:
> On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>
>> Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should probably
>> mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo Development next
>> semester. I know two stu
Duncan wrote:
> Apparently, IRC is a hard requirement. At least the one final
> evaluation must be done on IRC.
I understand why online communication is not everyone's prefered format.
I guess that the IRC part of the recruitment is not very formal, I
don't know as I haven't seen one, but in ge
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Roy Bamford wrote:
>> Suppose the team in [1] above wrote the specification, who needs to
>> agree it?
>>
>
> I don't think the whole body of devs has to agree to it. The trustees
> definitely have to, sinc
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:31:59PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > Olav Vitters wrote:
> >
> > >On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
> > >> As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
> > >
On 12/17/2012 01:11 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
Please comment. If it gets systematized enough, it can be a guide to future
devs too.
Hi, what is the level of the students, what are the prerequisites
(i.e., have they already seen some sy
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