On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:31:59PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > Olav Vitters <o...@vitters.nl> wrote: > > > > >On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote: > > >> As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does > > >> not work. We are discussing some of the things necessary to make it > > >work. > > > > > >Just to repeat: > > >In this thread it was claimed that a separate /usr is not supported by > > >systemd/udev. > > > > > >A case which works with latest systemd on various distributions. I > > >checked with upstream (not Lennart), and they confirmed it works. I can > > >wait for Lennart to say the same, but really not needed. > > > > > >I assume this will again turn into a "but I meant something else". > > > > Olav. > > > > Lennart has stated that he considers a seperate /usr without init* broken. > > Yes, as do I, and so do a lot of other developers. > > But that is a system configuration issue, not a systemd issue, please > don't confuse the two. > > > This has worked correctly in the past. > > Define "past" please. > > Note, it's still broken, I have yet to see any upstream fixes to resolve > all of the issues that are involved here with "fixing" this up. > > Yes, as always, for some subset of users, you can be lucky and it will > work for them, but those systems are getting rarer and rarer these days, > as the rest of upstream (not systemd here) are moving on and not doing > anything to change their behavior for this topic. > > > The direction udev development is going, according to Lennart, is to > > make that impossible and he refuses to fix this regression. > > Again, this has NOTHING to do with udev or systemd, as has been pointed > out numerous times. I understand your _wish_ that it would have > something to do with it, but that will not change the facts, sorry. > > > I am really happy with this project and intend on testing it once > > requests for this appear in the eudev mailing list. > > Good luck, the root problems still remain, and nothing that eudev ever > does can resolve that, sorry. > > Can this topic finally be put to rest please? There is a whole web page > devoted to this topic, why do people blindly ignore it? This is a very good question.
> Again, a separate /usr without an initrd has NOTHING to do with systemd > or udev, with the minor exception that Gentoo's packaging of those > programs _might_ have an issue, but that is Gentoo's issue, NOT > upstream's issue. > > If anyone involved with eudev, or is involved with the Gentoo Council > thinks that the previous paragraph is incorrect, they are flat out > wrong. This all started with the April 2012 council meeting when it was pushed through that separate /usr without an initramfs is a supported configuration, so yes, the previous council started this issue. Also, yes, eudev believes they will be able to fix it. I am another one who has been pointing out how this is wrong multiple times but my statements about it are falling on deaf ears. William
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