Alexe Stefan writes:
> On 9/17/23, Arsen Arsenović wrote:
>> In the meanwhile, while the two downstream volunteers address that, an
>> ::eudev overlay can be established. As I went over in another email I
>> posted to this thread, it should not be particularly difficult to
>> implement or main
On 9/17/23, Arsen Arsenović wrote:
> In the meanwhile, while the two downstream volunteers address that, an
> ::eudev overlay can be established. As I went over in another email I
> posted to this thread, it should not be particularly difficult to
> implement or maintain (nowhere close to LibreSS
Alexe Stefan writes:
> Upstream, it's maintained.
See my other emails for an explanation of why looking at a commit graph
is not good enough to tell if something is maintained.
> Downstream, 2 people volunteered.
And proposed ugly 'fixes' (read: hacks).
> So it is maintained.
>
> The incompa
On 9/17/23, Arsen Arsenović wrote:
>
> Alexe Stefan writes:
>
>> Yet another example of choice being restricted by gentoo.
>> However, there at least is a better reason for not keeping libressl in
>> ::Gentoo, that reason being qt.
>
> ... and the swathes of other packages that are not compatible
Alexe Stefan writes:
> Yet another example of choice being restricted by gentoo.
> However, there at least is a better reason for not keeping libressl in
> ::Gentoo, that reason being qt.
... and the swathes of other packages that are not compatible with it...
especially since openssl:3 exists.
On 9/16/23, David Seifert wrote:
> On Fri, 2023-09-15 at 15:40 -0700, orbea wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 01:19:22 +0200
>> Arsen Arsenović wrote:
>>
>> > "Eddie Chapman" writes:
>> >
>> > > Not aiming this at you personally but this argument has been made
>> > > more than once in this thread an
On Fri, 2023-09-15 at 15:40 -0700, orbea wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 01:19:22 +0200
> Arsen Arsenović wrote:
>
> > "Eddie Chapman" writes:
> >
> > > Not aiming this at you personally but this argument has been made
> > > more than once in this thread and I personally don't think it
> > > carri
Sam James wrote:
> Oskari Pirhonen writes:
>
>> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 03:10:51 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>> Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
And then another thing, how is it possible that so many people missed
the news item? They are displayed quite prominently I thi
Oskari Pirhonen writes:
> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 03:10:51 -0500, Dale wrote:
>> Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
>> >
>> > And then another thing, how is it possible that so many people missed
>> > the news item? They are displayed quite prominently I think, and
>> > eme
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 03:10:51 -0500, Dale wrote:
> Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
> >
> > And then another thing, how is it possible that so many people missed
> > the news item? They are displayed quite prominently I think, and
> > emerge will keep buggering you about it until it is marked as read.
>
orbea writes:
> I just want to reiterate that the overlay suggestion is bad and the
> LibreSSL overlay is a good example of why.
No it's not. It is not possible to compare a virtual provider against
something hard coded into many packages.
> The result is most of the work is redoing things th
orbea writes:
>> Arsen meant incompatibilities of systemd-udev, not of eudev [1]. No
>> idea what's the current state of udev upstream is though. Alpine uses
>> musl, that's one of reasons why they are interested in eudev.
Indeed.
> Oh, thanks for clarifying my misunderstanding. After re-readi
On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 01:19:22 +0200
Arsen Arsenović wrote:
> "Eddie Chapman" writes:
>
> > Not aiming this at you personally but this argument has been made
> > more than once in this thread and I personally don't think it
> > carries any weight, because it can be levelled at anyone who raises
>
On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 19:38:27 +0100
Alexey Sokolov wrote:
> 15.09.2023 16:10, orbea пишет:
> > On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 01:19:22 +0200
> > Arsen Arsenović wrote:
> >
> >> "Eddie Chapman" writes:
> >>
> >>> Not aiming this at you personally but this argument has been made
> >>> more than once in
15.09.2023 16:10, orbea пишет:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 01:19:22 +0200
Arsen Arsenović wrote:
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
Not aiming this at you personally but this argument has been made
more than once in this thread and I personally don't think it
carries any weight, because it can be levelled at
On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 01:19:22 +0200
Arsen Arsenović wrote:
> "Eddie Chapman" writes:
>
> > Not aiming this at you personally but this argument has been made
> > more than once in this thread and I personally don't think it
> > carries any weight, because it can be levelled at anyone who raises
>
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> Not aiming this at you personally but this argument has been made more
> than once in this thread and I personally don't think it carries any
> weight, because it can be levelled at anyone who raises an issue about
> anything. If you don't like it, then just go and roll
On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 19:39, Alexe Stefan wrote:
>
> Gentoo is about choice, and we should keep it that way.
It's about viable choice.
> So what is the problem with keeping the package in ::gentoo.
You mean other than all the reasons/problems given? You not liking
them doesn't make them less
On 9/14/23, Alex Boag-Munroe wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 17:50, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>
>
>
> No one is telling anyone not to use it. The question has been asked "why use
> it"
> to ascertain reasons for keeping it in ::gentoo. Something not being in
> ::gentoo isn't a decree to not use it,
On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 1:39 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
> If you don't like it, then just go and roll your own. Of course
> I know I (and anyone else) can do that. So then what's the point of
> discussing anything then?
This is a fair question, but I think you're missing how most FOSS work
gets do
On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 18:40, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
> Not aiming this at you personally but this argument has been made more
> than once in this thread and I personally don't think it carries any
> weight, because it can be levelled at anyone who raises an issue about
> a
Alex Boag-Munroe wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 18:20, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>
>> However, I believe what I'm proposing would not have
>> the result you're predicting as it would no longer be falsely promising
>> something it cannot deliver,
>>
> So you propose to uncouple it as a provider of
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 12:50 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>>
>> if people want to run the damn thing just let them be!
>
> If you keep using eudev, and you don't tell anybody about it, then
> they won't even know. Nobody is keeping anybody from using eudev. They're
> just not
On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 18:20, Eddie Chapman wrote:
> However, I believe what I'm proposing would not have
> the result you're predicting as it would no longer be falsely promising
> something it cannot deliver,
>
So you propose to uncouple it as a provider of virtual/libudev? What's
your plan fo
On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 12:50 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
> if people want to run the damn thing just let them be!
If you keep using eudev, and you don't tell anybody about it, then
they won't even know. Nobody is keeping anybody from using eudev.
They're just not actively doing work to keep it w
Matt Turner wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 10:17 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> Of course whether the Gentoo community would deem me as a suitable
>> maintainer and be willing to accept me as such is another matter
>> entirely.
>
> You don't need any permissions from us to go fix eudev upstream.
Alex Boag-Munroe wrote:
> A maintainer would need to be willing to uphold the "provides
> virtual/libudev, honest guv" as well as deliver on the promises it makes
> when it tells pkgconf what version it is. Not doing so is a support and
> user headache later when more things use the new tags inte
On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 10:17 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> Of course whether the Gentoo community would deem me as a suitable
> maintainer and be willing to accept me as such is another matter entirely.
You don't need any permissions from us to go fix eudev upstream.
Please focus on that (if you wa
On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 17:50, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
No one is telling anyone not to use it. The question has been asked "why use it"
to ascertain reasons for keeping it in ::gentoo. Something not being in
::gentoo isn't a decree to not use it, it's a statement that it's a
pain to keep maintain
Alex Boag-Munroe wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 16:30, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>
>> Alex Boag-Munroe wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 15:17, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>>
Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
> If someone were to step up and say they are willing to spend
> their time an
On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 16:30, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
> Alex Boag-Munroe wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 15:17, Eddie Chapman wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> If someone were to step up and say they are willing to spend their
> >>> time and effort maintaining eudev and
Alex Boag-Munroe wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 15:17, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If someone were to step up and say they are willing to spend their
>>> time and effort maintaining eudev and fixing the open issues then sure
>>> we can keep it, I never said other
On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 15:17, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
> Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
>
> > If someone were to step up and say they are willing to spend their time
> > and effort maintaining eudev and fixing the open issues then sure we can
> > keep it, I never said otherwise. However this package has
Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
> If someone were to step up and say they are willing to spend their time
> and effort maintaining eudev and fixing the open issues then sure we can
> keep it, I never said otherwise. However this package has been
> maintainer-needed for quite a long time now and no one has
Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
> On 12/09/2023 23:23, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12 September 2023 21:47:31 CEST, Eddie Chapman
>>> wrote:
>>>
Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> * You don't gain anything from using it instead of udev.
> (Nobody does.)
>>
Alexe Stefan writes:
> It seems like the discussion got way off-topic.
> To see where where at, I'll try to summarize what was said so far.
>
> The claims are that eudev is unmaintained upstream, downstream and has
> open bugs.
> Upstream, last commit was 3 weeks ago.
Please, take into account
On Wed, 13 Sept 2023 at 10:34, Alexe Stefan wrote:
>
> It seems like the discussion got way off-topic.
> To see where where at, I'll try to summarize what was said so far.
>
> The claims are that eudev is unmaintained upstream, downstream and has
> open bugs.
> Upstream, last commit was 3 weeks ag
It seems like the discussion got way off-topic.
To see where where at, I'll try to summarize what was said so far.
The claims are that eudev is unmaintained upstream, downstream and has
open bugs.
Upstream, last commit was 3 weeks ago.
Downstream, Orbea said he is willing to help maintain it. He i
Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/12/23 3:47 PM, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>>
>>> The eudev experiment has failed.
>>> * It was false labeling from the start.[*]
>>> * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream.
>>>
>> Why does it have to? It is advertised as a fork
On Wed, 13 Sept 2023 at 09:55, Andrew Ammerlaan
wrote:
> And then another thing, how is it possible that so many people missed
> the news item? They are displayed quite prominently I think, and emerge
> will keep buggering you about it until it is marked as read. Just
> wondering if there is somet
Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
>
> And then another thing, how is it possible that so many people missed
> the news item? They are displayed quite prominently I think, and
> emerge will keep buggering you about it until it is marked as read.
> Just wondering if there is something that can be improved here
On 12/09/2023 23:23, Eddie Chapman wrote:
Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
On 12 September 2023 21:47:31 CEST, Eddie Chapman wrote:
Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
* You don't gain anything from using it instead of udev.
(Nobody does.)
Is there only 1 tool for the job? Why do we have both the OpenIPMI
Alexe Stefan wrote:
> On 9/13/23, Dale wrote:
>> Alexe Stefan wrote:
>>> While my posts may be a little bit inflammatory, no one pointed out
>>> where I'm wrong.
>>> I don't hate gentoo, but I don't want choice to be taken away from users.
>>> If we(the users) only respond to issues that individua
On 9/13/23, Dale wrote:
> Alexe Stefan wrote:
>>
>> While my posts may be a little bit inflammatory, no one pointed out
>> where I'm wrong.
>> I don't hate gentoo, but I don't want choice to be taken away from users.
>> If we(the users) only respond to issues that individually impact us,
>> choice
Alexe Stefan wrote:
>
> While my posts may be a little bit inflammatory, no one pointed out
> where I'm wrong.
> I don't hate gentoo, but I don't want choice to be taken away from users.
> If we(the users) only respond to issues that individually impact us,
> choice will be taken away from everyone
To be clear, I don't say that devs shouldn't get paid. They should just be
honest about who pays them to make changes.
On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/13/23 1:03 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
>> On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>>> On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
> wrote:
>> Is it such a burden to make a coup
On 9/13/23 1:03 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
> On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>> On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
>>> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
wrote:
> Is it such a burden to make a couple of commits once in a while?
On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
>> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
>>> wrote:
Is it such a burden to make a couple of commits once in a while?
>>>
>>> I see no commits from your email address in gento
On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
>> wrote:
>>> Is it such a burden to make a couple of commits once in a while?
>>
>> I see no commits from your email address in gentoo.git, so that might
>> be a question for
On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
> wrote:
>>
>> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
>> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>> >> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means
>> >> that
>> >> everyone else is then f
On 9/12/23 3:47 PM, Eddie Chapman wrote:
> Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> The eudev experiment has failed.
>> * It was false labeling from the start.[*]
>> * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream.
>
> Why does it have to? It is advertised as a fork after all.
It provides libudev.
On Wed, 13 Sept 2023 at 02:23, Alex Boag-Munroe wrote:
>
> >Matt Turner wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
> >>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to
>Matt Turner wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
>>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to
>>> and it will inconvenience everyone?
>>
>> Because it's already h
Alexe Stefan:
...
> I use a static /dev. That won't just stop work ing after an update,
> regardless of how much money changes hands.
Nice to se a fellow static /dev user.
> What does eudev need to do and doesn't do? From discussion in various
> places, I understand that it must set permissions f
Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to
>> and it will inconvenience everyone?
>
> Because it's already happened!
>
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan wrote:
>
> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> >> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
> >> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to a
On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to and
>> it will inconvenience everyone?
>
> Because it's already
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to and
> it will inconvenience everyone?
Because it's already happened!
commit 6404b064d63d182da4a8a1
Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
>
> On 12 September 2023 21:47:31 CEST, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>>
>>> The eudev experiment has failed.
>>> * It was false labeling from the start.[*]
>>> * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream.
>>
>> Why does it have to? It is
Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/12/23 3:05 PM, orbea wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
>> Matt Turner wrote:
>>> Conspiracy alert!
>>>
>>> It's been more than 2 years since
>>> https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-08-24-eudev-retirement.html
>>>
>>>
>>> People have had plenty of ti
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 4:25 PM orbea wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
> Matt Turner wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM orbea wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
> > > Sam James wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rich Freeman writes:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 12
On 12 September 2023 21:47:31 CEST, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> The eudev experiment has failed.
>> * It was false labeling from the start.[*]
>> * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream.
>
>Why does it have to? It is advertised as a fork after all.
>
>>
On 9/12/23 3:05 PM, orbea wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
Matt Turner wrote:
Conspiracy alert!
It's been more than 2 years since
https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-08-24-eudev-retirement.html
People have had plenty of time. More chances than were fair have been
given. No
Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
I'm an outsider to Gentoo development (just a heavy user for over a
decade both personally and professionally) so I might have missed
something. I just find it puzzling.
>>>
>>> I'm not puzzled by what is going on, or by your email, because it
>>> happens b
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:06:32 +0100
"Eddie Chapman" wrote:
> orbea wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:23:49 +0300
> > Alexe Stefan wrote:
> >
> >> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this
> >> shitshow. Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be
> >> without a ma
> >> I'm an outsider to Gentoo development (just a heavy user for over a
> >> decade both personally and professionally) so I might have missed
> >> something. I just find it puzzling.
> >
> > I'm not puzzled by what is going on, or by your email, because it
> > happens basically anytime a high-pro
orbea wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:23:49 +0300
> Alexe Stefan wrote:
>
>> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
>> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
>> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks. All
>> th
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM orbea wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
> > Sam James wrote:
> >
> > > Rich Freeman writes:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> in Gen
On 9/12/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 1:24 PM Alexe Stefan
> wrote:
>> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
>> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
>> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo fo
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 1:24 PM Alexe Stefan wrote:
> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks.
> All this seems like intentional
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM orbea wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
> Sam James wrote:
>
> > Rich Freeman writes:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman
> > > wrote:
> > >> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said
> > >> (anywhere) that they are
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:04 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> Yes I regularly do this if there is a piece of software not in the tree, I
> have a local repo full of stuff. But this argument doesn't hold as much
> weight when it comes to a package like this which is integrated in the
> core of the system
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:23:49 +0300
Alexe Stefan wrote:
> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks.
> All this seems like intentio
All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks.
All this seems like intentional crippling of systemd alternatives. I
don't use eudev, but I d
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
Sam James wrote:
> Rich Freeman writes:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman
> > wrote:
> >> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said
> >> (anywhere) that they are not interested in being maintainers
> >> anymore (which is fin
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> martin-kokos wrote:
>> --- Original Message ---
>> On Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM, Eddie Chapman
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sam James wrote:
>>>
"Eddie Chapman" ed...@ehuk.net writes:
>>> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintai
Sam James wrote:
>
> Rich Freeman writes:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere)
>>> that they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is
>>> fine if that is the case)? We're not talking
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere)
>>> that they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine
>>> if that is the case)? We're not tal
martin-kokos wrote:
> --- Original Message ---
> On Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM, Eddie Chapman
> wrote:
>
>> Sam James wrote:
>>
>>> "Eddie Chapman" ed...@ehuk.net writes:
>>>
>> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers?
>> Have
>> they disappear
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere)
>> that they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine
>> if that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone maintainer o
--- Original Message ---
On Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM, Eddie Chapman
wrote:
> Sam James wrote:
>
> > "Eddie Chapman" ed...@ehuk.net writes:
> >
> > > > > So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have
> > > > > they disappeared? I often see on here pa
Rich Freeman writes:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere) that
>> they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine if
>> that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone maintaine
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere) that
> they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine if
> that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone maintainer of some
> peripheral package
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> Sam James wrote:
>>
>> "Eddie Chapman" writes:
> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have
> they disappeared? I often see on here packages being offered up for
> grabs. Why
> hasn't there been a call to give others the opportun
Sam James wrote:
>
> "Eddie Chapman" writes:
So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have
they disappeared? I often see on here packages being offered up for
grabs. Why
hasn't there been a call to give others the opportunity to volunteer
as maintainers
On Tue 12 Sep 2023 05:18:51 GMT, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Sorry for this being a bit of a ramble. I do feel for your situation,
> but I don't want to see you fighting the wrong battle. Disclaimer:
> this is just my outside observation having seen many a treecleaning
> frustration in the past. I don
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 10:34 PM orbea wrote:
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> Regardless the disappointment is a valid concern when Gentoo is willing
> to pull the rug up from under users feet under erroneous claims of the
> project being dead.
>
As a complete outsider, I think this conversation is focusing on the
wrong iss
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 23:17:09 +0100
Sam James wrote:
> orbea writes:
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> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:50:13 +0100
> > Sam James wrote:
> >
> >> orbea writes:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:21:21 +0100
> >> > Sam James wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> orbea writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Mon
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> Sam James wrote:
>>
>> "Eddie Chapman" writes:
>>
>>> Sam James wrote:
Dale writes:
> orbea wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:29:47 +0200
>> "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote:
>>
>>> Am Montag, 11. September 2023, 17:22:43 CEST schrieb orb
Sam James wrote:
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> "Eddie Chapman" writes:
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>> Sam James wrote:
>>>
>>> Dale writes:
>>>
orbea wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:29:47 +0200
> "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote:
>
>> Am Montag, 11. September 2023, 17:22:43 CEST schrieb orbea:
>>
>>> Upstream is maintained
orbea writes:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:50:13 +0100
> Sam James wrote:
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>> orbea writes:
>>
>> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:21:21 +0100
>> > Sam James wrote:
>> >
>> >> orbea writes:
>> >>
>> >> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:31:30 +0100
>> >> > Sam James wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Dale writ
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:50:13 +0100
Sam James wrote:
> orbea writes:
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> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:21:21 +0100
> > Sam James wrote:
> >
> >> orbea writes:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:31:30 +0100
> >> > Sam James wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Dale writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> > orbea w
Alexe Stefan writes:
> Must eudev be 100% compatible with all the garbage that gets shoved
> into udev to stay in ::gentoo? I don't see mdev being held to that
> standard.
Please don't top-post.
mdev is not a provider of virtual/libudev and doesn't pretend to be
via its pkgconfig file.
>
> O
Must eudev be 100% compatible with all the garbage that gets shoved
into udev to stay in ::gentoo? I don't see mdev being held to that
standard.
On 9/12/23, Alexey Sokolov wrote:
> 11.09.2023 22:35, Sam James пишет:
>>
>> Alexey Sokolov writes:
>>
>>> 11.09.2023 22:21, Sam James пишет:
orbe
orbea writes:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:21:21 +0100
> Sam James wrote:
>
>> orbea writes:
>>
>> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:31:30 +0100
>> > Sam James wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dale writes:
>> >>
>> >> > orbea wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:29:47 +0200
>> >> >> "Andreas K. Huettel" w
11.09.2023 22:35, Sam James пишет:
Alexey Sokolov writes:
11.09.2023 22:21, Sam James пишет:
orbea writes:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:31:30 +0100
Sam James wrote:
Dale writes:
orbea wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:29:47 +0200
"Andreas K. Huettel" wrote:
Am Montag, 11. September 202
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> Sam James wrote:
>>
>> Dale writes:
>>
>>> orbea wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:29:47 +0200
"Andreas K. Huettel" wrote:
> Am Montag, 11. September 2023, 17:22:43 CEST schrieb orbea:
>
>> Upstream is maintained still.
>>
>> https://gi
Alexey Sokolov writes:
> 11.09.2023 22:21, Sam James пишет:
>> orbea writes:
>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:31:30 +0100
>>> Sam James wrote:
>>>
Dale writes:
> orbea wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:29:47 +0200
>> "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote:
>>
>>> Am Montag
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:21:21 +0100
Sam James wrote:
> orbea writes:
>
> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:31:30 +0100
> > Sam James wrote:
> >
> >> Dale writes:
> >>
> >> > orbea wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:29:47 +0200
> >> >> "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Am Mon
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