"Eddie Chapman" <ed...@ehuk.net> writes:
> Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman <ed...@ehuk.net> wrote: >> >>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere) >>> that they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine >>> if that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone maintainer of >>> some peripheral package that's disappeared leaving an orphaned package. >> >> It isn't like somebody is censoring the lists or waging commit wars on >> the metadata.xml/mask file. If somebody was eager to maintain it I'm sure >> they'd have spoken up. >> >>> I'm an outsider to Gentoo development (just a heavy user for over a >>> decade both personally and professionally) so I might have missed >>> something. I just find it puzzling. >> >> I'm not puzzled by what is going on, or by your email, because it >> happens basically anytime a high-profile package is treecleaned. Yes, >> Gentoo is about choice, but somebody has to actually do work to make >> the choices viable. There are always more people interested in using >> software than maintaining it. The frustration is completely >> understandable, but also kinda unavoidable. > > It starts to bother me that so many people straight away assume that when > someone questions things it's because they are a frustrated user who just > wants everyone else to do the work for them. And the same old argument > keeps being repeated over and over again *as if they think that no one > gets it* apart from us devs. I've been a free & oss software user for over > 20 years and I find it very patronising whenever it happens. The reality > is that are very few people in this community that don't understand the > fundamentals of free software, that no one is being paid, no one is > obligated, we are all volunteers, well then why don't you do it, etc, etc. > I've never asked or expected anyone to actually step up and do the work > and if you read my messages you will see that I've never even implied it. > No, but other people in the thread have, and the expectation is others will read it too. This is one of those topics where in particular we get a lot of it. Suggestions of "something smelly" then do imply some of the things you're saying. We're used to conspiratorial suggestions with this topic too. >> Repo QA standards don't mean that it has to barely work for your >> specific use case. The package has to deal with compatibility issues with >> stuff you don't use as well, which is why maintaining a system package can >> be hard work. It is usually less of an issue for more ordinary >> applications, which tend to have fewer interactions. If it is "good >> enough" for you as it is, then just move it to a private overlay and keep >> using it. You probably would need to override a virtual or two as well. >> Or publish your work somewhere others can use >> it. > > I see, so again I just don't get it do I? I'm just a user who is in their > own little world and all they care about is what works for them, and I > don't think or understand anything about the bigger picture. I wouldn't read that much into it. Rich is always verbose (and I mean no insult there), he's just being explicit about the options. > >> -- >> Rich
