RE: Questions about donating code

2004-07-07 Thread Stephen
of Struts and Log4j. I would like to donate the code as I think it will be benefit to the developers and users community. Thanks, Stephen -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:15 AM To: Stephen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE

RE: Questions about donating code

2004-07-15 Thread Stephen
x27;s framework. Regards, Stephen -Original Message- From: Stephen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 6:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Noel J. Bergman Subject: RE: Questions about donating code Hello, Below is my proposal on DB project. Background: This proje

Re: Posting and tracking project tasks

2003-10-03 Thread Stephen McConnell
next Thursday. +1 This is a really excellent idea. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Stephen McConnell
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: From my point of view, "disclaimer" page would be enough and the best "alternative". +1 -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Stephen McConnell
of all newly accepted projects until a further review indicates that the infrastructure, communications, and decision making process have stabilized in a manner consistent with other successful ASF projects. As such, the project has not been formally endorsed by the ASF. Stephen. -- Stephen J

Re: incubation disclaimer and infrastructural reshuffle

2003-10-04 Thread Stephen McConnell
y the community. This approach reflects a respect for the *decisions* of the community while delivering the appropriate due-diligence by the responsible PMC. Stephen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Stephen McConnell
is not available to the public - period - simple (c) let the project publish what it wants providing it is consitent with the license Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail

Re: Proposal: Sponsor becomes Mentor

2003-10-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
Mentor is always pre-proposed by the candidate (so we don't need go hinting for it). What do you think? -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: projects "in" versus "entering" versus "affiliated with" the incubator

2003-10-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
Rodney Waldhoff wrote: * I'd suggest the term "candidate" (as is used in Roles_and_Responsibilities) or "project" (as in "incubating [sub]project"), or even the term "pod", rather than the diminutive "podlet" in describing the "

Re: Proposal: Sponsor becomes Mentor

2003-10-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
sponsor idea? ++1 Cheers, Steve. Cheers, Berin This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Proposal: Sponsor becomes Mentor

2003-10-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
t in focus - cvs, lists, etc. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

2003-10-27 Thread Stephen McConnell
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Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

2003-10-28 Thread Stephen McConnell
process and is targeted towards someone who is thinking about involvement in such a process. Policies are the set of rules that provide the framework for consistency - its the rules that PMC and incubator project participants are working under between comencement and exit. Cheers, S

Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

2003-10-28 Thread Stephen McConnell
about what names we use. +1 In particular, I like calling the process description a "Process Description" because that is exactly what it is. +1 Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To

Re: status of FTP Server project

2003-10-31 Thread Stephen McConnell
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Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
repository with multiple interfaces". Roy's statement *does* encompass the scope of requirements that I see as relevant. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] F

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
itiative and the relevance of this initiative to areas I am concerned with. I also believe that the question of scope is also rather relevant to ASF generally if near-term needs are taken into consideration. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 21:47, Stephen McConnell wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: Small note - some of the participants on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] are discussing the actual requirements - which from my (and other) point(s) of view go beyond a file-system http protocol cut

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 23:18, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: I have challenged you to give me a scenerio that I can't satisfy with something like the current Maven repository. Instead you drone on ad nauseum about the theoretical. Let

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 00:35, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason: I must confess that I am intrigued by your approach to collaboration! That's because you're at least as deficient as I am in the realm of collaboration. Neither you or I are any great shining e

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-11 Thread Stephen McConnell
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 02:50 AM, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 01:08, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 00:35, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason: I must confess that I am intrigued

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-12 Thread Stephen McConnell
ccountable person is established (e.g. the individual is the Chair and the problem is locating a new Mentor). Cheers, Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additiona

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-13 Thread Stephen McConnell
tor - etc. etc. I.e. think more about facilities to enable members of the community to facilitate the exit of project under incubation. Cheers, Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-ma

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-13 Thread Stephen McConnell
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: ... > An important aspect here is visibility of status and pending actions. This takes me back to the discussion about using JIRA - that's the sort of example where I could checkout open-actions on any incubator project - and based

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-24 Thread Stephen McConnell
a couple of other Avalon committers that would want get involved as well. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] || | Magic by Merlin

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-30 Thread Stephen McConnell
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: "Depot" +1 -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] || | Magic by Merlin| | Production

Re: [VOTE] New Incubator rules and scope definition (long)

2003-12-12 Thread Stephen McConnell
e to the proposal is lengthy so would a span of a week from now be reasonable? +1 .. its a reasonable proposition Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] || | Magic by Merlin| |

Re: Exiting Incubation - Status Check

2003-12-15 Thread Stephen McConnell
n open source because you make them happen. Don't wait for the PMC to make a decision. Push for exit - make it happen - get on with the prime objective. Cheers, Stephen. Jochen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Exiting Incubation - Status Check

2003-12-15 Thread Stephen McConnell
soon as possible, in order to avoid conflicts with trademarks that are upcoming later? Do whatever you can to clear the item off the agenda. It's an obsticle to incubator exit - clear the obsticle using whatever means that are available to you. St

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-26 Thread Stephen McConnell
PMC in its role at the start and playing less of a role as time goes on. But (IMO) you need someone to formally bootstrap the PPMC and ensure everything is going properly. +1 Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-29 Thread Stephen McConnell
+1 on everything below (including the tinker's cuss). Stephen. Berin Lautenbach wrote: Aaron Bannert wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 03:43:56PM +1100, Berin Lautenbach wrote: I'm confused by what you are saying. Do you believe there should be one person in an authoritative positio

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-29 Thread Stephen McConnell
ed as the point-man. Someone from Apache ready to say "yes" - I'm available and committed on both sides of the equation. Cheers, Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] || | Magic by Merlin

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-30 Thread Stephen McConnell
y! A good test of maturity. If the mentor is doing absolutely nothing and things are going well, then there is no need for a mentor and quite possibly no need for the project to be in incubation anymore. Exactly! Cheers, Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-30 Thread Stephen McConnell
m confused as to what on earth oversite and assistance has to do with liason? Steve indicated that Noel was filling all three those roles. Slow down Leo! You putting words into my mouth that were not there to start with. Cheers, Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-30 Thread Stephen McConnell
Leo Simons wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Absolutely! A good test of maturity. If the mentor is doing absolutely nothing and things are going well, then there is no need for a mentor and quite possibly no need for the project

Re: [VOTE] graduate MerlinDeveloper from incubation

2004-01-15 Thread Stephen McConnell
Leo Simons wrote: I propose we release MerlinDeveloper from incubation and allow avalon to import the code. Please place your votes: [X] +1 -- yes -- || | Magic by Merlin| | Production by Avalon

Re: [VOTE:RESULT] graduate MerlinDeveloper from incubation

2004-01-18 Thread Stephen McConnell
Leo Simons wrote: I proposed we release MerlinDeveloper from incubation and allow avalon to import the code. The Incubator PMC has voted. The results of the vote are as follows: +1 - 13 (of which 3 non-binding) +0 - 0 -1 - 0 there's consensus; the vote passes. This concludes the incubation for

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Geronimo from Incubator and recommend as top-level project

2004-05-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
[X] +1 - The Geronimo project has met the requirements for incubation and will be recommended to the board for TLP status [ ] -1 - The Geronimo project as not met the requirements for incubation -- |---| | Magic by Merlin

deescalation

2004-07-07 Thread Stephen McConnell
Nicola - apparently you have the moral high ground on the subject of "deescalation" . care to justify this or shall we let it drop? Stephen. -- |---| | Magic by Merlin | | Production

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
Nicola: If you have a problem with my annoyance at your presumption to preach - then present it here away from any particular project. Stephen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
Brian McCallister wrote: As an innocent bystander of the flamewar that spawned this email: Nicola commented on some technical changes, it started deteriorating into shed painting, Nicola posted an email on de-escalating conflict in technical discussions, then Stephen attacked Nicola directly

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
ile. I've suggested to Nicola Ken that he start work on a web page to cover ideals, techniques and scenarios. -1 Sorry but Nicola Ken is not qualified. I'm sorry Nicola but you instigated this and only you can fix it. Stephen. -- |

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
Noel J. Bergman wrote: I've suggested to Nicola Ken that he start work on a web page to cover ideals, techniques and scenarios [related to community building and conversation skills] -1 Sorry but Nicola Ken is not qualified. Your opinion is noted, but that is not your call to make. I asked him i

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
Sander Striker wrote: From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:58 PM Noel J. Bergman wrote: I'm quite confident that a good portion of the inhabitants of this list doesn't care much about who is going to "win" this flamefest. +1

Re: [VOTE] Accept MyFaces for Incubation

2004-07-10 Thread Stephen McConnell
[X] Accept MyFaces into the Incubator [ ] Reject MyFaces -- |---| | Magic by Merlin | | Production by Avalon | | | | http://avalon.apache.org | |

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-10 Thread Stephen McConnell
imagine that neither general@ nor [EMAIL PROTECTED] are to be bothered with thread fallout debris like this. It ain't fun nor educating to watch. well, sometimes you have to deal with unpleasant things. that's life. I think most of us are still perplexed as to why Stephen chose this list

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-10 Thread Stephen McConnell
it is appropriate I can move the discussion to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - but frankly, I think it is more appropriate that this issue is dealt with here. Either way, the question of "mentor" responsibility and accountability will be raised. Stephen. -- |---| |

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-10 Thread Stephen McConnell
Stephen McConnell wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: unnecessary and unwarranted disruption of an incubator project Let it go. No one other than you is characterizing it that way. Just let it go. I let it go for three months and now I'm seeing the consequences on not speaking up earlier

RE: [OT] How to prevent abusing Apache priviliges

2004-10-18 Thread Stephen McConnell
o me that he's talking about a very real dark-side of the ASF. You know - the side of Apache where certain individuals enjoy playing with private lists, protected themselves while at same time spreading lies, slander, and real fear. Mix this with the incu

RE: [VOTE] Directory exiting Incubator

2005-02-12 Thread Stephen McConnell
> -Original Message- > From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2005 3:55 AM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: Apache Directory Developers List; Directory PPMC > Subject: RE: [VOTE] Directory exiting Incubator > > Alex, > > Continue on your pa

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Stephen McConnell
. The question is: what should be done about the apparent jboss prereq? Migrate to Avalon Phoenix oir Merlin? :-) Cheers, Steve. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Incubator DOA (Re: [STATUS] Tapestry [LACK-OF] Progress)

2003-03-11 Thread Stephen McConnell
t; Cheers Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.osm.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project

2003-09-18 Thread Stephen McConnell
Sam Ruby wrote: James is the only project that I recall that did it of their own initiative. Correction - Avalon was of its own iniative. Cheers, Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe

Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project

2003-09-18 Thread Stephen McConnell
Sam Ruby wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: James is the only project that I recall that did it of their own initiative. Correction - Avalon was of its own iniative. Hearing that statement makes me feel VERY good. ;-) Zutt - thinking back to the days of the reorg

ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-18 Thread Stephen McConnell
whom is the ASF Member accountable? Cheers, Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-19 Thread Stephen McConnell
an exclusion of Apache contributors - they needs to be some form of accountability by members towards non-members on matters concerning incubation. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-19 Thread Stephen McConnell
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: I am specific asking this in the context of the incubator policies. If I understand correctly, the policies require project sponsorship by a member and from what member only sheparding. While parhaps with best intent - it is excluding

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-20 Thread Stephen McConnell
re detail. For example, if a Member undertakes such a resonsibility, to whom is the member responsible and what would be the scope of such a responsibility? The answers to these questions will go a long way to addressing the subject of this thread. Stephen. p.s. Please keep in mind that I looking a

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-20 Thread Stephen McConnell
that a podling can expect to be provided by the Sponsor, and the expectations from the PMC towards the Sponsor. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additio

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-20 Thread Stephen McConnell
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Stephen, I haven't read through your material, but unless I am wrong about what I wrote last night, an ASF Officer also qualifies. Berin Lautenbach suggested gathering and collating material from this discussion on the Wiki. Some related pages are:

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-20 Thread Stephen McConnell
t few days - it appears that this is *not* official policy. However, it does appear that this is assumed policy in some quarters. Stephen. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project

2003-09-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
week. Stephen. Phil Steitz wrote: I have been following this thread with interest and have found the discussion very informative. Thanks to all who have provided insight for those of us with less knowledge and experience with the Apache way. I have been a bit surprised by the lack of discussion

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
Berin Lautenbach wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: If there is interest, I could try and re-word the content I put together on the Sponsor responsibilities such that the role of Sponsor is more oriented towards evangalist/champion, complementing the role of Shepard. Absolutely! The

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
umentation, process, policy, and accountability. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Ah, at the end, if a committer considers this unfair, maybe he/she should question him/herself before questioning hundreds of his/her peers. Umm, ... and the "standard member line&

roles and responsibilities

2003-09-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
PMC. Cheers, Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
ppliment" to a structural framework becomes a rational and pagmatic concept that reflects, embrasses what I belive it means to be "an Apache Member". Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To un

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I said nothing about documentation, process, policy or accountability. LOL We certainly agree on this! :-) -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: roles and responsibilities

2003-09-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
t a Candidate shall document a stated exit objective and sites TLP or sub-project options. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-m

Re: roles and responsibilities

2003-09-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
ye for the potential pitfalls that may exist for podlings). But that's for tommorow. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
tities and facilitate the introduction of a replacement Sponsor. My impression is that we are actually aiming towards the same thing but that what you thinking of as Sheperd is what I'm thinking of as Sponsor. There are a few other little things but I thought it best to get these two items cla

Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
e *scope* of the eventual TLP is multi-platform and multi-language. The words "will support" are a subject of inevitable community development and contributions. Stephen. Phil --- Noel ---

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
But that isn't the case so I'll try my best to present the issues I see in this email. Zut ... Australia really is at the end of the earth relative to France! (Zut translated into Australian is B* H***). Berin Lautenbach wrote: Steve, From: Stephen McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
Stephen McConnell wrote: Small change in wording. "If Ted stops doing his role as Shepherd, then I would see it as the responsibility of the XML Project PMC Chair" to step in and find someone else." Wooop - a compound correction to an otherwise perfect composition: "If

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Stephen, Actually, I think you had it right the first time. The XML Project PMC should take the first responsibility to find someone where their representative to stop doing his role. Actually - I disagree. If I say that the Board is responsible. What I am saying is

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
as to the action. * Steve. (who is terribly slow and dull witted in these matters) Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Stephen, If we ever sit down in some hypothetical cafe, remind me to have a talk with you about how to present an argument for best effect. :-) Once I got past some of your phrasing, which I consider somewhat injudiciously selected considering your likely audience

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
otential absuse or neglect of said responsibilites by said PMC. Cheers, Steve. p.s. Who is someone terrible disappointed that you, an Australin to-boot, removed the so carefully and selectively prepared phrase "Incubator PMC meanderings" in you last wiki edit! Will I

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Think of this entire process as the establishment of a set of imutable procedures that will protect us from the breakdown of their system. Things don't work that way, Stephen. People don't. Especially the kind of people who participate here. This is not a

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
ve. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional comm

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
Noel J. Bergman wrote: I hope that the policies, procedures, responsibilities, and ultimate accountabilities, will have a tangible and net- positive impact on the overall development of the Apache Community. :-) That's it - no umbrella questions? This is so dissapointing! Steve! -- St

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-23 Thread Stephen McConnell
ities of the Sponsoring Entity". The content is basically describing responsibilities of the Shepherd. It would read better if this section were removed and the respective responsibilities integrated with the definition of Shepherd. Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Suggestions for Next Steps

2003-09-24 Thread Stephen McConnell
that is another subject with a different set of concerns and should be distinctly seperate from the policies and procedures of incubation. Cheers, Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-24 Thread Stephen McConnell
we need. Cheers, Steve. (I think. Grumble grumble, more work, mutter mutter :>) LOL :-P -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EM

Re: gump for incubating projects?

2003-09-24 Thread Stephen McConnell
robert burrell donkin wrote: is there anything to prevent gump builds being set up for incubating projects? (other than actually doing the work, of course ;) Only the idea of using of getting JIRA settup here at Apache and using it instead. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto

Re: gump for incubating projects?

2003-09-24 Thread Stephen McConnell
Stephen McConnell wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: is there anything to prevent gump builds being set up for incubating projects? (other than actually doing the work, of course ;) Only the idea of using of getting JIRA settup here at Apache and using it instead. Retruaction

Re: [STATUS] (incubator) Wed Sep 24 23:46:04 EDT 2003

2003-09-25 Thread Stephen McConnell
site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki pages are for collaborative development, including stuf destined for the Web site.] Any reason why the IncubatorMussings document should not be referended from ApacheIncubatorProjectPages ? Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL

Re: roles and responsibilities

2003-09-25 Thread Stephen McConnell
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incubator, exit and publication

2003-09-25 Thread Stephen McConnell
re to endorce the publication of any artifact related to an incubated project. Can anyone explain to me the error implied by these assumptions? Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [

Re: Exit Criteria

2003-09-26 Thread Stephen McConnell
an formal opinion on this subject? Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: incubator, exit and publication

2003-09-26 Thread Stephen McConnell
grounds can a release be published? You cannot have one without the other. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: incubator, exit and publication

2003-09-26 Thread Stephen McConnell
Berin Lautenbach wrote: Stephen, You will see from my last e-mail that I've lost the plot somewhere, but some thoughts because I can't resist. :-) I was looking at the same thing yesty, but from a slightly different angle. I thought (maybe wrong???) that Incubation was not about &q

Re: incubator, exit and publication

2003-09-26 Thread Stephen McConnell
y the Incubator is a loaded question. Stephen. Roy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROT

Re: Exit Criteria

2003-09-26 Thread Stephen McConnell
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: My own theory is that this entire discussion is exceeding the bounds of duristiction of the Incubator PMC. why? The incubator has a scope concerning "incubation". I hope the incubator aims to to provide the role of

Re: [STATUS] (incubator) Wed Sep 24 23:46:04 EDT 2003

2003-09-26 Thread Stephen McConnell
Berin Lautenbach wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: Any reason why the IncubatorMussings document should not be referended from ApacheIncubatorProjectPages ? It is now. Good work Berin! -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: incubator, exit and publication

2003-09-27 Thread Stephen McConnell
ew feature as distinct from offical Apache releases. I will normally publish a snapshot release on non-Apache hardware - whereas with PMC published content I try to follow Apache distribution rules/guidelines as best as possible. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Exit Criteria

2003-09-27 Thread Stephen McConnell
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: The incubator has a scope concerning "incubation". I hope the incubator aims to to provide the role of gatekeeper together with a support infrasture the accelerate the sucessful exit of incubated projects. so f

Re: incubator, exit and publication

2003-09-27 Thread Stephen McConnell
robert burrell donkin wrote: (sorry stephen i should have probably been clearer.) i was looking for an official(ish) statement from roy or one of the other senior (board level) ASF folks. (i'm happy to take active steps to ensure that ASF policy is enforced by the jakarta pmc - an

unicameral solution

2003-09-28 Thread Stephen McConnell
ndidate. 3. Incubator PMC hold the right to veto. This would bring us to a unicameral solution while maintaining appropriate checks and balances through the diligence of the Incubator. Stephen. Andrew C. Oliver wrote: So we're yack yacking about the incubator (again). The incubator AFAI

Question time !

2003-09-29 Thread Stephen McConnell
dealing with new TLP candidates. Stephen. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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