[DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi all guys, I would like to propose Syncope, an Open Source system for managing identities in enterprise environments, implemented in JEE technology, originally developed by Tirasa, an Italian IT company, to be an Apache Incubator project. The goal for Syncope is to become the reference implement

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
On 1/31/12 3:06 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Message - From: William A. Rowe Jr. To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes On 1/30/2012 7:51 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Mess

Re: [VOTE] Release MRUnit version 0.8.0-incubating

2012-01-31 Thread Brock Noland
I missed antelders +1 vote and only noticed this today via this link: http://old.nabble.com/-VOTE--Release-MRUnit-version-0.8.0-incubating-td33113645.html As such, the vote passes with: 4 +1 Patrick Hunt, Chrs M, antelder, Brock Noland 0 -1 Patrick Hunt, Chrs M, antelder are all members of

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Ross Gardler
On 31 January 2012 00:06, Joe Schaefer wrote: > It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people > lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto > authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this > PMC.  Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel > votes

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Mark Struberg
Hi Simo! Sounds like a really nice project. But I wonder if there is some overlap with the Apache Shiro project [1]? LieGrue, strub [1] http://shiro.apache.org/ - Original Message - > From: Simone Tripodi > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 31 January 2012 00:06, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people >> lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto >> authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this >> PMC.  T

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Francesco Chicchiriccò
On 31/01/2012 11:08, Mark Struberg wrote: > Hi Simo! > > Sounds like a really nice project. Hi Mark, first of all, thanks. > But I wonder if there is some overlap with the Apache Shiro project [1]? > [1] http://shiro.apache.org/ " Apache Shiro is a powerful and easy-to-use Java security framewor

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 31 January 2012 00:06, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people >> lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto >> authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this >> PMC.  T

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
On 1/31/12 11:08 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: Hi Simo! Sounds like a really nice project. Sounds nice, yes. But I wonder if there is some overlap with the Apache Shiro project [1]? IMO, Syncope spectra is wider than Shiro. Actually, Syncope *could* use Shiro. I have a Q : Can't it be a bit

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi Francesco and Simo, it looks interesting. As an Identity Manager, I wonder if we can't extend it to OSGi, in addition of JEE. Regards JB On 01/31/2012 11:17 AM, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote: On 31/01/2012 11:08, Mark Struberg wrote: Hi Simo! Sounds like a really nice project. Hi Mark

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Francesco Chicchiriccò
On 31/01/2012 11:31, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: > On 1/31/12 11:08 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: >> Hi Simo! >> >> Sounds like a really nice project. > > Sounds nice, yes. >> >> But I wonder if there is some overlap with the Apache Shiro project [1]? > > IMO, Syncope spectra is wider than Shiro. Actually,

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Simone Tripodi
Salut Jean-Baptiste, why not? :) Feel free to add yourself in the proposal if you like it!!! :) A trés bientot, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/ http://twitter.com/simonetripodi http://www.99soft.org/ On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jean-B

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Francesco Chicchiriccò
On 31/01/2012 11:34, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > Hi Francesco and Simo, > > it looks interesting. > > As an Identity Manager, I wonder if we can't extend it to OSGi, in > addition of JEE. Hi, I must admit that I am not very deep in OSGi stuff, but there shouldn't be nothing against making Syncop

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
On 1/31/12 11:44 AM, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote: On 31/01/2012 11:31, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: On 1/31/12 11:08 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: Hi Simo! Sounds like a really nice project. Sounds nice, yes. But I wonder if there is some overlap with the Apache Shiro project [1]? IMO, Syncope spec

Re: Q: including notice for binary release of artifacts that are brought in via Maven?

2012-01-31 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:49 AM, Jakob Homan wrote: >  Great, thanks.  Using this method, I get a file layout similar to: >  giraph-0.1-SNAPSHOT-bin.tar.gz >      NOTICE (without appended text for dep1 and dep2) >      LICENSE (without appended text for dep1 and dep2) >      bin/ >      lib/

Re: Q: including notice for binary release of artifacts that are brought in via Maven?

2012-01-31 Thread sebb
On 31 January 2012 11:07, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:49 AM, Jakob Homan wrote: >>  Great, thanks.  Using this method, I get a file layout similar to: >>  giraph-0.1-SNAPSHOT-bin.tar.gz >>      NOTICE (without appended text for dep1 and dep2) >>      LICENSE (without

Re: [PROPOSAL] PhoneGap for Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
On 10/7/11 10:11 PM, Gianugo Rabellino wrote: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Any more questions/comments about this proposal? If not, I suggest we start the vote tomorrow. I think we're good. The one thing I'd like to do is asking to add another committer to the ros

Re: [PROPOSAL] PhoneGap for Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
On 10/7/11 10:11 PM, Gianugo Rabellino wrote: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Any more questions/comments about this proposal? If not, I suggest we start the vote tomorrow. I think we're good. The one thing I'd like to do is asking to add another committer to the ros

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Guys, On Jan 31, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: >>> >> Oh, so you want a supermajority in terms of those who have voted, not in >> terms of the membership of the IPMC? Not unreasonable. Let's see what >> others think. > > I would easily +1 a proposal with a 3/4 majority of the *

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-31 Thread Richard Frovarp
On 01/30/2012 11:32 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, The deadline for podlings to submit their February reports is already in two days since the ASF board meeting is scheduled for Feb 15th. I spent a few moments reviewing the November reports and related information of all the projects scheduled to

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people > lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto > authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this > PMC. Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel > votes are

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Any other rational opinions? I don't recall a case where a candidate was not elected because of an unnecessarily strict -1. All I'm seeing now is abstract discussion about hypothetical votes and a lot of hot air. I'd go for a policy vot

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:58, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Guys, > > On Jan 31, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: >>> Oh, so you want a supermajority in terms of those who have voted, not in >>> terms of the membership of the IPMC?  Not unreasonable.  Let's see what >>> othe

Re: [PROPOSAL] PhoneGap for Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: > Forget about my last mail. I missed the rename to Callback... No worries, the project has been quick to change names. :-) Hopefully Cordova will stand the test of time. BR, Jukka Zitting --

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - > From: William A. Rowe Jr. > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: Joe Schaefer > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes > > On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> It is clear that with all the

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Joe Schaefer
There are currently 29 outstanding no votes made on a discussion thread merely for the fact that those candidates names were listed.  Are you not reading private@incubator? There is currently a -1 on a current vote thread there as well. - Original Message - > From: Jukka Zitting > To

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:18, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> Any other rational opinions? > > I don't recall a case where a candidate was not elected because of an > unnecessarily strict -1. All I'm seeing now is abstract discussion > about

[jira] [Closed] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether "Apache Creadur" would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-31 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Closed) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin closed PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4. - Resolution: Fixed There is little evidence that Creadur

[jira] [Closed] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether "Apache Rat" is a suitable name

2012-01-31 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Closed) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin closed PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1. - Resolution: Fixed The consensus reached is that though A

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/31/2012 11:38 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > Plainly wrong: It has been repeatedly established (even by the Chair) > that policy decisions here are not subject to veto. This is one of those > times. > Furthermore the documentation [1] clearly points out that procedural issues > are to be deci

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/31/2012 11:12 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > I'm a little unclear on wrowe's original message talking about > "supermajority" and whether that was for *addition* or for *removal*. > I'm assuming that it was only about addition because I've never seen > any PMC-based ejection of a PMC member. The B

Re: Q: including notice for binary release of artifacts that are brought in via Maven?

2012-01-31 Thread Jakob Homan
> Instead, since you are including dep1 and dep2 inside >giraph-bin.tar.gz, they should be covered by the NOTICE/LICENSE pair > of the tarball. This is the case for Giraph (and Kafka and other projects that bring in transitive dependencies into the tar.gz via maven), so the jackrabbit approach won'

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - > From: William A. Rowe Jr. > To: Joe Schaefer > Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org" > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:12 PM > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes > > On 1/31/2012 11:38 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> >> Plainly wrong:  It has

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-31 Thread Luciano Resende
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > The deadline for podlings to submit their February reports is already > in two days since the ASF board meeting is scheduled for Feb 15th. > Sure, but there isn't even a February page at the wiki : http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> Any other rational opinions? > > I don't recall a case where a candidate was not elected because of an > unnecessarily strict -1. All I'm seeing now is abstract discussion > abo

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Greg Stein wrote on Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:12:50 -0500: > In that light, we're talking about "what kinds of voting results > should be forwarded by the Chair?" If the Chair sends a request to the > Board to add somebody and reports "5 +1 votes, 2 -1 votes"... would > that be sufficient? 2/3rds or

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-31 Thread Daniel Spicar
Hi Luciano, The February page is here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012 Best, Daniel On 31 January 2012 19:17, Luciano Resende wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Jukka Zitting > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The deadline for podlings to submit their February reports is already >

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-31 Thread Scott Wilson
On 31 Jan 2012, at 18:17, Luciano Resende wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Jukka Zitting > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> The deadline for podlings to submit their February reports is already >> in two days since the ASF board meeting is scheduled for Feb 15th. >> > > Sure, but there isn't even

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 13:20, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Greg Stein wrote on Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:12:50 -0500: >> In that light, we're talking about "what kinds of voting results >> should be forwarded by the Chair?" If the Chair sends a request to the >> Board to add somebody and reports "5 +1 vo

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > There are currently 29 outstanding no votes made on > a discussion thread merely for the fact that those > candidates names were listed. I count those as votes once I see them in an actual VOTE thread. We've had similar VOTEs earlier, th

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Doug Cutting
On 01/30/2012 05:12 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > I've never liked vetoes for this. One person can hold an entire PMC hostage > simply for disliking someone (or worse: subtle corporate concerns masked > otherwise). People have said in the past, "you should have veto so you're > not forced to work with so

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Doug Cutting wrote: > On 01/30/2012 05:12 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >> I've never liked vetoes for this. One person can hold an entire PMC hostage >> simply for disliking someone (or worse: subtle corporate concerns masked >> otherwise). People have said in the past, "

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Doug Cutting wrote: > On 01/30/2012 05:12 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >> I've never liked vetoes for this. One person can hold an entire PMC hostage >> simply for disliking someone (or worse: subtle corporate concerns masked >> otherwise). People have said in the past, "you

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Niall Pemberton
Proposal looks good. Niall On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: > Hi all guys, > > I would like to propose Syncope, an Open Source system for managing > identities in enterprise environments, implemented in JEE technology, > originally developed by Tirasa, an Italian IT compan

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/31/2012 3:28 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > Having said that, I should note that the context of Incubator is > significantly different than a normal PMC. If incubator wants to structure > itself more like a board and less like a project, I really don't have > much to say against that. Note

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Roy, On Jan 31, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Doug Cutting wrote: > >> On 01/30/2012 05:12 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >>> I've never liked vetoes for this. One person can hold an entire PMC hostage >>> simply for disliking someone (or worse: subtle corpor

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/31/2012 5:05 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > > In replacement, I propose the following concrete actions: > > 1. Move the Incubator process/policy/documentation, etc., to ComDev - I > agree with gstein on this. I think it could be maintained by the ASF community > folks there, and upda

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Donald Whytock
May I suggest bumping thoughts of cashiering the incubator to its own thread? It seems a much bigger question than whether to prevent vetoes on PPMC membership votes. Don On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:21 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 1/31/2012 5:05 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >> >> In

BlueSky is back?

2012-01-31 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2011?action=diff&rev1=55&rev2=56 Or is someone just confused? For comparison: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/bluesky.html BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: > Hi Simo! > > Sounds like a really nice project. > > But I wonder if there is some overlap with the Apache Shiro project [1]? > > They're not the same as some have pointed out yet even if they were there's nothing wrong with having overlappi

Re: [DISCUSS] Syncope to Join the Apache Incubator

2012-01-31 Thread Benson Margulies
Dear Proposed Syncope mentors: Please post messages on this thread indicating your prior experience as mentors, if any, and your willing to remain in place as active mentors for at least a year. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Mark Strube

Re: BlueSky is back?

2012-01-31 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2011?action=diff&rev1=55&rev2=56 > > Or is someone just confused? It's me who's confused. We're in 2012 already... :-) BR, Jukka Zitting ---

Re: Q: including notice for binary release of artifacts that are brought in via Maven?

2012-01-31 Thread sebb
On 31 January 2012 18:15, Jakob Homan wrote: >> Instead, since you are including dep1 and dep2 inside >>giraph-bin.tar.gz, they should be covered by the NOTICE/LICENSE pair >> of the tarball. > This is the case for Giraph (and Kafka and other projects that bring > in transitive dependencies into t

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-31 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Richard Frovarp wrote: > Did I miss the reminder? Or is it not working? I suppose the reminder will go out tomorrow on the first day of the month. I guess that's not too helpful given that the deadline is also tomorrow. >>> Droids >> >> Any progress on getti

Brilliant report from Wookie

2012-01-31 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012?action=diff&rev1=17&rev2=18 Perhaps a bit verbose to some tastes, but this contains all the information an external observer needs to get a good picture of the project status. Great level of introspection combined with ability identify concrete ac