Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-16 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > IPMC, on the other hand, feels different since, practically speaking, the > accumulation of the kind of merit IPMC cares for require *some* level > of IPMC karma already. There is an open question currently lingering on general@incubator

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-16 Thread Ross Gardler
On 16 October 2012 16:31, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:20 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: >> My point is only that I'd prefer to give Roman, and people like him, a >> +1 on the IPMC (assuming people vouch for him) than have someone else >> voting +1 on a release without doing app

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-16 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:20 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > My point is only that I'd prefer to give Roman, and people like him, a > +1 on the IPMC (assuming people vouch for him) than have someone else > voting +1 on a release without doing appropriate due diligence. If that's the easiest practical r

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-15 Thread Benson Margulies
> My point is only that I'd prefer to give Roman, and people like him, a > +1 on the IPMC (assuming people vouch for him) than have someone else > voting +1 on a release without doing appropriate due diligence. I certainly agree with this. > > Ross > > ---

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-15 Thread Ross Gardler
On 15 October 2012 12:29, Benson Margulies wrote: > This whole thread was launched, if I read Ross' remark correctly, by > my doing something stupid. I've apologized. It's not at all clear to > me that my mistake is example of a common kind of stupidity. Nope. My position is not prompted by any i

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-15 Thread Benson Margulies
This whole thread was launched, if I read Ross' remark correctly, by my doing something stupid. I've apologized. It's not at all clear to me that my mistake is example of a common kind of stupidity. I perceive, however, an ambiguity. The phrase 'proper IP verification,' more or less, has echoed do

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-15 Thread Ross Gardler
I dont disapprove of what you call "freelance votes". I disapprove of votes not backed by proper review efforts. Other than that I agree with all you say. Sent from mobile, forgive terseness and errors On Oct 15, 2012 3:43 AM, "Marvin Humphrey" wrote: > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Ross Ga

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-14 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On Oct 13, 2012 2:59 AM, "Marvin Humphrey" wrote: >> That the Incubator's release process would grind to a halt without >> "freelance" IPMC votes exposes a systemic flaw. > > Also agreed. I think Jukka's release taskforce idea is a good way

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-13 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my tablet On Oct 13, 2012 2:59 AM, "Marvin Humphrey" wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: > > Nobody, in my opinion, sh8old be voting on a release without having > > conducted the appropriate verifications themselves. > > -0 > > I agree -- but that's not goi

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-12 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Nobody, in my opinion, sh8old be voting on a release without having > conducted the appropriate verifications themselves. -0 I agree -- but that's not going far enough. In my view, no one should vote on a release unless they're subscribed t

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-12 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my tablet On Oct 11, 2012 8:01 PM, "Marvin Humphrey" wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > However, see my 'how would it help to clear 3 +1 IPMC votes hurdle' question > > on this thread'? > > If you help to audit the IP of the podling and to instill g

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Jakob Homan wrote: >> You go and help the community out in general and, when it comes time >> for a release, you do all the things a regular mentor would do. If >> you catch issues with the release, this

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-11 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > However, see my 'how would it help to clear 3 +1 IPMC votes hurdle' question > on this thread'? If you help to audit the IP of the podling and to instill good habits and values, it will make it considerably easier for the formal Mentors

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-11 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Jakob Homan wrote: > You go and help the community out in general and, when it comes time > for a release, you do all the things a regular mentor would do. If > you catch issues with the release, this will be a big help. No one is > going to ignore your assistan

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-11 Thread Jakob Homan
> Great. Lets make it practical -- there's a Helix project that is currently > being proposed for incubation. I'm very much interested in helping > it to grow into a TLP eventually. Given how closely it aligns with some > of the things we're trying to do in Bigtop -- I'm definitely joining the > co

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-11 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Upayavira wrote: > I guess I would encourage you to do as Luciano suggests, and to chat to > mentors on a project that you might help with. Great. Lets make it practical -- there's a Helix project that is currently being proposed for incubation. I'm very much inte

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-11 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Suresh Marru wrote: > But great suggestion Luciano (to use all the incumbent IPMC to help more > while experiences are fresh). > My personal opinion is, the easiest way to look for projects needing help is > during releases. If a project > comes to general list w

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-11 Thread Suresh Marru
On Oct 11, 2012, at 4:32 AM, Upayavira wrote: > There's that, and also the fact that no two mentors have the same level > of experience anyway, so what you describe is possible within the > current structures, just isn't formalized. I am not sure if formalizing the role is neded. I agree with Up

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-11 Thread Upayavira
There's that, and also the fact that no two mentors have the same level of experience anyway, so what you describe is possible within the current structures, just isn't formalised. I guess I would encourage you to do as Luciano suggests, and to chat to mentors on a project that you might help with

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-10 Thread Luciano Resende
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Hi! > > ever since Bigtop has incubated I've been thinking > about the experience that I've had and that it would > be very nice if I could help the new projects at least > 1/10th the amount of help I received from some of the > mentors. >

[DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-10 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi! ever since Bigtop has incubated I've been thinking about the experience that I've had and that it would be very nice if I could help the new projects at least 1/10th the amount of help I received from some of the mentors. Also, seeing a steady stream of graduating projects I would imagine tha