Agree. The danger is that someone like Trump can make all sorts of actions
"official" by e.g. ordering a federal agency to carry it out. Even if the
action violates a law, that doesn't prevent it from being official. (That's
my understanding and concern.)
-- Russ
On Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 2:30 PM gle
Thanks, Dave. Sorry if I don]t hold up my end. I am falling behind in
everything except my capacity to be stirred up by ideas. Bad
combination. Maybe it's time for Caleb to come and take away my
keyboard.
So, I now see a new problem in our anecdotal method here: How to continue
without spi
Nick, et alii behavioristae -
We have been using "self-conscious" roughly in place of what I
understand to be "self-aware". I don't think of *many* animals to be
self-conscious even though I grant warm-bloodeds for sure and other
vertebrates maybe self-awareness. I've known *domesticates* to
Ok,
given your intent, "trying to see how we could explore the degree of our
agreement on the proposition that we are all self-conscious."
In our endeavors so far, most of us have been guilty of anthropomorphism in our
attribution of consciousness to other species - we see behavior and
*_interp
Have you ever read The Story of a Grizzly by Ernest Thompson Seton (no rel)?
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:13 PM steve smith wrote:
> Nick, et alii behavioristae -
>
> We have been using "self-conscious" roughly in place of what I understand
> to be "self-aware". I don't think of *many* animals to
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 8:53 PM Nicholas Thompson
wrote:
> Have you ever read The Story of a Grizzly by Ernest Thompson Seton (no
> rel)?
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:13 PM steve smith wrote:
>
>> Nick, et alii behavioristae -
>>
>> We have been using "self-conscious" roughly in place of what I
All,
I want to move things along here, but not sure movement would be. Our
shared anecdotes would seem to suggest that we think that these animals we
are in interaction with are conscious.
Jochen seemed to disagree. So Jochen, and you all, what should we do about
that? I regard it as a stat
Resolution is not necessary for me.
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024, 7:11 PM Nicholas Thompson
wrote:
> All,
>
> I want to move things along here, but not sure movement would be. Our
> shared anecdotes would seem t
This would suggest to me either that you don't give a damn about the matter
or that you are a believer in Holy Individuality.
So which is it? (};-)]
N
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 9:17 PM Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Resolution is not necessary for me.
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz
It means I think getting everyone to agree is probably impossible and
unnecessary in any case.
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024, 7:23 PM Nicholas Thompson
wrote:
> This would suggest to me either that you don't give a
Nick -
I think I tried to help you arrange to scan/OCR "Wild Animals I have
Known" as much as a decade ago?
I'm guessing his work had a significant effect on you and perhaps in
leading you to your profession/career?
I encountered Seton's "Wild Animals I have Known" in my grade-school
libr
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