less wars over religion and group identity
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> From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on
> behalf of glen mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 7:30 AM
> To: friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> <mailto:friam@re
pe and Australia, until we get a
largely uninhabitable Earth, as David> Wallace-Wells wrote in his book.
Nobody wants to live in a Mad Max desert> hellscape.> > > -J.> >
> > Original message > From: Russell Standish
>
the world, in California, New Mexico, Southern
> Europe and Australia, until we get a largely uninhabitable Earth, as David
> Wallace-Wells wrote in his book. Nobody wants to live in a Mad Max desert
> hellscape.
>
>
> -J.
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n a Mad Max desert
> hellscape.
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>
> -J.
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> ---- Original message
> From: Russell Standish
> Date: 1/16/25 2:23 AM (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
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>
1/16/25 2:23 AM (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re:
[FRIAM] I've been thinking In my book Theory of Nothing, I predict a population
collapse thiscentury (with better than even odds). This was with nothing more
thananthropic reasoning.
ut also plan for its realization.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 at 10:51, Jochen Fromm > j...@cas-group.net>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Maybe the interesting question is not how free will be can emerge
> > through language a
begun
> http://bit-player.org/2012/world3-the-public-beta
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> -J.
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>
> Original message
> From: Prof David West
> Date: 1/14/25 6:03 PM (GMT+01:00)
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
>
> Two small things:
>
> glen noted:
Dave corrected it in a subsequent post:
On 1/14/25 09:15, Prof David West wrote:
excuse me, Pieter's optimisim, not Hochen's
On 1/15/25 14:39, Jochen Fromm wrote:
Who says I am optimistic? Your remark about data centers for LLMs, Bitcoins and
other stuff like TikTok videos which increase gl
(GMT+01:00) To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM]
I've been thinking Two small things:glen noted: Every single "conversation" you
have with ChatGPT or Grok *creates* the inequality we bemoan. It's fine to do
it. Let them eat cake. But do it with self-awareness, knowing
m
*Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2025 at 9:27 AM
*To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
I've been thinking about it during breakfast this morning. Fits to the
title of the thread. I would say at the moment LLMs do not have
: Wednesday, January 15, 2025 at 9:27 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
I've been thinking about it during breakfast this morning. Fits to the title of
the thread. I would say at the moment LLMs do not have free will. Bu
am busy
shopping at the Walmart online store".-J.
Original message From: Marcus Daniels
Date: 1/14/25 11:12 PM (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
Supposing there are generalized AI systems that sc
Yeah. Ordinarily, I would agree. But Neal did his time, contributed his fair
share to the training data. Now we have LLMs that can generate the ideas some
of us might find value in. I grant that there are prolly *great* writers that
Claude or whatever can't replace. But most people's writing su
, 2025 at 4:46 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
IDK if you intended to back my slime-mold hypothesis. But those articles
confirm it to me. People's tendency to spend less time socializing is a
reaction to too many people, or at least it looks that way to
ant recognition through their
consumption
4. No more meaningless wars over religion and group identity
*From: *Friam on behalf of glen
*Date: *Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 7:30 AM
*To: *friam@redfish.com
*Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
I don't see many (any?) rich
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
What I like about Daniel Dennett is that he did not lose his sense of humor, he
dared to tackle the big questions and he did that using ordinary-language
philosophy - using his bare hands so to speak. Is audacity a
mberly
Date: 1/13/25 11:38 PM (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking Some
years ago Dennett gave a talk on consciousness. He began by saying, "Some
people have said that my book should be called 'Conscious Explaine
d constant recognition through their
consumption
4. No more meaningless wars over religion and group identity
From: Friam on behalf of glen
Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2025 at 7:30 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
I don't see many (any?) rich people actually
atever they preach. Parties want to
>> > manipulate our free will to vote for them. Companies want to manipulate
>> > our free will to buy their products.
>> >
>> >
>> > There is a whole 100 year old industry which has evolved to manipulate
>
PR
>> in 1928, the emerging PR/advertising/marketing industry tries to influence
>> our decisions in order to buy more stuff (which we do not need).
>>
>>
>> This is similar to the hard problem of consciousness. There is a whole
>> 100 year industry wh
of consciousness. There is a
> whole 100 year industry which has evolved to solve the hardproblem of
> consciousness: the film industry and all forms of show business which earn
> money by showing us what it is like to be someone.
> >
> >
> > Interesting isn't it? T
dustry and all forms of show business which earn money by showing us
what it is like to be someone.
Interesting isn't it? The big problems of philosophy have led to big
industries.
-J.
---- Original message ----
From: Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.co
by showing us what it
is like to be someone.
Interesting isn't it? The big problems of philosophy have led to big industries.
-J.
Original message
From: Marcus Daniels
Date: 1/14/25 6:31 AM (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject:
ies.
>
>
> -J.
>
>
>
> ---- Original message
> From: Marcus Daniels
> Date: 1/14/25 6:31 AM (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
>
> Natural language seems to be bett
rning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
Natural language seems to be better at facilitating delegation and iteration.
Natural language is contradictory and underspecified, so it has a way of
facilitating groups of people, er, agents, doing stuff, ev
evolutionarily
important for cooperation. I guess that’s a quaint notion in the age of MAGA.
Even Trump is multitudes on any given day..
From: Friam on behalf of glen
Date: Monday, January 13, 2025 at 4:52 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
This post may int
Date: 1/13/25 9:02 AM (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I've been thinking
I've always been drawn to the sharp mind of Daniel Dennett, and the idea of
diving into his autobiography feels like meeting an old friend for the first
time. As
t; I guess Dennett's ordinary-language philosophy can also be found here at
> FRIAM occasionally - one aspect I like about the group.
>
>
> -J.
>
>
>
> Original message
> From: Pieter Steenekamp
> Date: 1/13/25 9:02 AM (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Fr
.-J.
Original message From: Pieter Steenekamp
Date: 1/13/25 9:02 AM (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re:
[FRIAM] I've been thinking I've always been drawn to the sharp mind of Daniel
Dennett, and the idea of diving into his autobio
I've always been drawn to the sharp mind of Daniel Dennett, and the idea of
diving into his autobiography feels like meeting an old friend for the
first time. As I've been on a bit of a biography kick lately, adding
Dennett's personal journey to my reading list just feels right.
I love the communa
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