Re: [FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

< It might not surprise anyone here that I have become a CliFi obsessionist with Kim Stanly Robinson's stuff well represented ("Ministry for the Future" standing out well above the others). His Red/Green/Blue Mars series is a good complement with the social/technological/spiritual implications

Re: [FRIAM] Ukraine and NATO

Patrick - Always (more than) 2 sides to a topic... thanks for speaking to this.   I think some of the analogies to our feelings about Soviet-Cuban relations is still relevant.   That doesn't mean that Putin/Russia isn't up to something ultimately really bad for "the West"... I had Ukranian C

[FRIAM] Cautionary Tales: CliFi

DaveW - I too am a Bacigalupi fan, "Water Knife" in particular, also "Windup Girl" but for different reasons. It might not surprise anyone here that I have become a CliFi obsessionist with Kim Stanly Robinson's stuff well represented ("Ministry for the Future" standing out well above the oth

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

For me, meat-in-vats or Impossible burger tech. is more to address cruelty. To examine what we do and how -- with apologies to Glen -- it corrupts us. I think Ezra Klein put it well. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/16/opinion/factory-farming-animals.html A friend remarked on how her percept

Re: [FRIAM] Ukraine and NATO

The U.S. can't export enough Liquefied natural gas to displace Gazprom unless it cuts other customers off (South Korea, Japan, China). https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50598 According to the Economist, Gazprom is delivering 230m cm/d to Europe. If Europe could ride out Putin hol

Re: [FRIAM] Ukraine and NATO

I first note that the US engineered a coup in the Ukraine to eject a pro-Russian President. I add that NOT having any former Warsaw Bloc or former Soviet Republic incorporated as a NATO state was explicitly promised prior to the USSR peacefully disintegrating. And how many nations has the US inva

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Tasty tumors! From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 12:56 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics Weird, and interesting. In the first page, where they comment that they are culturing biopsied cell

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Paolo Bacigalupi, The Water Knife. Excellent read, more for background on water and the kinds of things people WILL do to access it, than the story line. *In the near future, the Colorado River has dwindled to a trickle. Detective, assassin, and spy, Angel Velasquez “cuts” water for the Southern

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Wow, steve. I didn’t know any of that. Euthanize, whew. Back in the day, if one were raising fledgling owls, the standard food consisted of male chicks, sexed and discarded at hatching. Euthanization consisted of suffocating them in the plastic bag. n Nick Thompson

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Glen writes: < I don't see how we can prune the combinatorial explosion of [im]possible outcomes without deciding some kind of objective at the start, even if it's super vague like a Gaia-ish homeostatic health of the biosphere. > One could imagine a sort of Mad Max scenario out in the streets

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Well, OK. But the question still stands: Necessary for what objective? The Siebert & Rees paper talks about shared values like "socially just ecological sustainability", "salvage civilization", "one-earth living", etc. And each one of their criticisms in section 3 also assume some values. So, I

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

https://goodmeat.co/process From: Friam on behalf of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 11:25 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics On 1/25/22 8:48 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Boneless chicken breasts come from roosters?

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

On 1/25/22 8:48 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Boneless chicken breasts come from roosters? Top hit on my google...  not sure if US is very different from AU: https://www.chicken.org.au/are-meat-chickens-male-or-female/ --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

No, it is male chickens that are culled. Chicken sexer was/is a very real job. Imagine spending all day looking for male genitalia on barely hatched chicks and tossing the ones sporting them into a waste bin for immediate euthanasia. Female infanticide is absurdly common — across cultures and th

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Maybe they should have drowned Mao. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 9:22 AM Merle Lefkoff wrote: > I was working in China during the one-child policy. I remember visiting > what we would call a kindergarten school a

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

I was working in China during the one-child policy. I remember visiting what we would call a kindergarten school and talking with the teachers. I'll never forget their complaints that the children (mostly boys) were unable--at the age of five--to tie their shoelaces or put on their jackets by them

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

I just dove into Black Summer on Netflix. There is so much uncovered ground in the zombie genre. And so timely! On Jan 25, 2022, at 7:50 AM, Carl Tollander wrote:  Uh-oh. Paging Greg Bear. https://phys.org/news/2022-01-sars-cov-spike-protein-human-endogenous.html On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Uh-oh. Paging Greg Bear. https://phys.org/news/2022-01-sars-cov-spike-protein-human-endogenous.html On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 8:17 AM Marcus Daniels wrote: > Frank writes: > > < Two problems, "God" has tricks for making babies. As for 1 child per > couple didn't they "terminate" some babies (no

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Boneless chicken breasts come from roosters? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Steve Smith wrote: > We neuter many/most male pets and beasts of burden, slaughter many of them > young (e.g. this is where most of

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

It always seemed strange to me that counterintelligence wasn’t more distributed. Why not engage with everyone in order to get more signals about their handlers? Can’t get that info without letting relationships develop. On Jan 25, 2022, at 7:36 AM, Steve Smith wrote:  EricS wrote: I don’

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

We neuter many/most male pets and beasts of burden, slaughter many of them young (e.g. this is where most of our beef and chicken come from). We do this for various reasons that are not entirely unrelated to the larger conversation here... On 1/25/22 7:35 AM, David Eric Smith wrote: Never to

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

EricS wrote: I don’t remember hearing about infanticides, Frank, though there is much I miss that does happen. me poking in with another anecdotal data point...  worth no more what you are paying for it... During my last 10 years at LANL I worked with a lot of UNM grad students, many of

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Frank writes: < Two problems, "God" has tricks for making babies. As for 1 child per couple didn't they "terminate" some babies (not fetuses, feti?), particularly females? > I think Neuralink and related technologies may have applications to climate change. Imagine a bluetooth-connected ne

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Yes, they should have drowned the boys. On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:27 AM Frank Wimberly wrote: > But > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Tue, Jan

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

But https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:16 AM Merle Lefkoff wrote: > Dave is right. Development experts have known for a long time that when >

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Dave is right. Development experts have known for a long time that when girls get educated and women hold jobs outside the home they are much more likely to control childbearing. However, the culture must change everywhere, and it happens quite slowly with lots of pushback. Check out the new pro

Re: [FRIAM] Ukraine and NATO

I think the issue is, like Sweden and Finland, they have the role to Russia as buffers to U.S. medium range missiles. > On Jan 25, 2022, at 5:37 AM, glen wrote: > > Why Ukraine is still not a NATO member: who is to blame and what to do? > https://uacrisis.org/en/why-ukraine-is-still-not-in-nat

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

The Rees paper was talking about the painless option of agreeing not to have children? On Jan 25, 2022, at 5:44 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:  Eric, it's quite possible I got infanticide confused with abortion. I have an image of suffocation of a newborn in my memory but I have younger siblings

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Eric, it's quite possible I got infanticide confused with abortion. I have an image of suffocation of a newborn in my memory but I have younger siblings who survived to old age. Who knows what my two year old self was imagining. David, if you're here, your account the Buddhist understanding of t

[FRIAM] Ukraine and NATO

Why Ukraine is still not a NATO member: who is to blame and what to do? https://uacrisis.org/en/why-ukraine-is-still-not-in-nato Does anyone here have any better understanding of why Ukraine membership is so "toxic"? Is this simply a disagreement between hawks and doves wrt Putin's dream of a n

Re: [FRIAM] There is a Thich Nhat Hanh sized hole in the Universe

Thanks for the extension! Yes, I like dependency much better than layer or level. On 1/24/22 19:32, Prof David West wrote: with regard glen's criticisms: The synonymy of  layer and level. Neither word is really appropriate, even as metaphor; the real relationship being much more akin to depe

Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

Necessary for what, though? We need the shared value(s) before we can ask what response we'd get from the convergence on something that might be necessary to adhere to that value. Is the shared value that biology on this planet should be preserved and the thing we need to do is impossible? Or p