Thanks Jim,
OK, it was there all along (but buried within the mailing lists page).
Jim Hall wrote:
> Gerry Hickman wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Would it be possible to add a link to FreeDOS newsgroups just below the
>> link called "Mailing List / Chat" on the mai
n fixed since this morning! Eric said it's "easy to fix" and
maybe he did that today...
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There's also the advantage that the posts are automatically archived and
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into this concept sitting next to Linux? Who will write all the drivers
for the latest NICs, USB, Kerberos, signed SMB, NFS, NTFS, TCP/IP with
IP v6, not to mention cameras, scanners, printers - how will they all
work? What standards will this new UI adhere to?
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ental problem that only reveals itself when you start
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is is even more interesting! Isn't it the case that some
Windows code can bypass the BIOS completely? If so, then what I said
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DOS shell because big chunks of it bypass DOS. To me, a DOS shell would
be something that talks to the hardware via DOS, not something that
bypasses it.
Either way, it's been a good learning process for me. It's made me think
a lo
386 from it, instead "native" ones.
Maybe this is where I'm getting mixed up. You appear to be saying DOS
6.22 is much newer than WfW 3.11, is this correct? I thought it was the
other way round.
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> They don't like EMM386; DR
> or FD.
Yes, I've posted at great length about this in the past. I use UMBPCI at
the moment.
> 64 bit is a bit of a jump, but if you will settle for 32 bit - for now -
> I think we did most of that, it&#
32/64 bit prot-mode o/s then
really it's time to forget the whole "legacy" thing and just create a
next generation 64bit command line o/s that supports endless memory,
multi-processors, multi-tasking, firmware BIOS, native SCSI, NTFS, NFS,
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un it. In one of my older machines it was run from
> autoexec.bat. The line is still there but remed.
You mean you booted into MS-DOS 6.22 and then started WfW from within
DOS 6.22? If so, I have to ask why??
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which is Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
>
> On 7/3/06, *Gerry Hickman* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
>
> Jim Hall wrote:
>
> >> *Almost fully compatible with MS-DOS* (?)
>
> LOL, what about the fact it's 100 times
Jim Hall wrote:
>> *Almost fully compatible with MS-DOS* (?)
LOL, what about the fact it's 100 times better and more modern than
MS-DOS?!?
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Get stuff done quickly with pre
Jim Hall wrote:
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> http://johnson.tmfc.net/dos/index.html instead. The top-level page has
> a 769kb photograph.
Yes it's a nice photo, but it took ages to load!
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Robert Riebisch wrote:
> It seems, that FRISK Software has stopped further development of the DOS
> version of F-Prot Antivirus. File 316F.NEW reads: "3.16f is expected to
> be the last version of the DOS scanner."
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uot; in the left frame.
> The latest driver not only do UltraDMA, also can REPLACE the bulky
> SMARTDRV, NORTON CACHE and CACHE2 ...
But not for SCSI and SATAII?
ATA/IDE disks have pretty much died...
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newsgroups just by clicking on
nntp://news.microsoft.com
It's a choice of the community what they want to run. Most open source
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Gerry Hickman wrote:
> easy to skip over. I don't know how, but the NNTP groups have a lot less
> spam than a year ago. I never see all that V_iagra stuff anymore.
Interesting! Before I put the underscore in the line above, sourceforge
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point, yes. It's great when you're collaborating on a project, but
it's not so good when you want to be able to look back over earlier
discussions, it's also difficult if you're busy with other stuff and
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restore them back again. I don't know if this is true or not, but I've
certainly done similar things with WinImage and it worked fine, but
maybe WinImage is able to calculate geometry??
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> OK, I guess I could use a FAT16 partition instead; if I do this, is
> there some way to install the DOS 6.22 boot sector to C: without
> actually inserting a floppy? e.g. read the saved boot sector from somewhere?
OK, I tried it with a FAT16 partition
1. FD
of everything else.
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> So I should have issued
>
> SYS B: C:
>
> It probably still won't work, but at least I'll be using the correct
> command.
OK, this time it found the MS-DOS boot sector on the floppy and said
something like "MS boot sector not supported
nd with the
/OEM:MS switch in the past but couldn't get it to work. The purpose of
this is to trick Windows setup into thinking it's upgrading from MS-DOS,
otherwise it puts FreeDOS on a dual boot menu as my "Previous Operating
System".
Kenneth J. Davis wrote:
> Gerry Hick
insert an MS-DOS 6.22 system floppy into A: and type
SYS A: C:
(I want to install MS-DOS boot-sector, IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS to C:)
What happens next?? It installs FreeDOS boot sector, and kernel to the C
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This was perfect until head office upgraded to Windows Server 2003 and
now it doesn't work because FreeDOS can't use Kerberos, or sign the SMB
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Oops, as Eric Auer points out, it's not that FreeDOS can't use Kerberos,
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I'm pretty sure you end up with FAT12, but it certainly works. I never
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silly as FreeDOS only needs a few KB.
Dell also have a utility for their Flash drives that will turn them into
bootable "DOS" dri
Hi Eric,
Of course you will then need a DOS USB driver first before you
can run SYS on the drive... I recommend USBASPI4 and ASPIDISK
But surely if the user's BIOS supports booting from USB it will also
support USB emulation and if it does, the user won't need any USB drivers...
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o/s at any time. Note also that if you are going to use MSCLIENT you
have to be very careful to match HIMEM, EMM386 with IFSHLP.SYS. Note
also that Dos622 is fussy about the actual sector locations of IO.SYS
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opensource SMB client for DOS. UDF is some kind of (read-only? packet
writing?) filesystem for DVDs?
Yup, well even a UDF reader would be good. This is where you use a CD-RW
like a giant floppy. It _can_ work under DOS, I remember an A
sses my mind a lot is "Should I be using Linux for
boot environments instead of FreeDOS?". I don't know the answer, but I
imagine Linux will cope with very modern hardware such as x64 and
protected execution, serial SCSI, USB and so on, but right now FreeDOS
does everything I need.
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As I remember it, the idea is that SYS will read a user supplied boot
sector, add correct geometry info and write the full boot sector to the
hard drive being SYS'd...
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I looked at Bart's modular disk, but in the end decided to just make my own.
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use. On top of this, we're only using this boot sector for about 10
minutes (until Windows setup begins).
its all already written, I just need to add the glue logic to sys for a
user supplied boot sector instead of using compiled in one (something
I've been plann
the same result.
CHKDSK indicates no bad sectors.
The user does not indicate the method they are using to transfer the
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3. FD SYS (tell it to grab Win9x boot sector from user)
4. Start Windows Installer and off it goes
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behavior, so I'll still use FreeDOS and just learn to live with the
BOOT.INI problem.
Anyway, I have to test PC set up and available for at least a week so if
you want me to run any more tests just let me know.
000
FDISK /activate /pri:2
MS FORMAT c: (Note this is MS-DOS Format!)
this installs MS bootsector.
Right.
There's a small chance FD FORMAT creates a slightly different filesystem
compared to MS FORMAT. Add to that the 2 different bootsectors, and that
might explain things then.
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It seems messages posted later than mine got through earlier...
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So there we are. For some reason /OEM:MS does not appear to perfectly
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Hi Bernd,
I can confirm this: strangely upgrading from DOS 6.22, Win2000setup
doesn't finish and I get a spontaneous reboot during last phase of setup.
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Hi Aitor,
Same happened to me last night too...
Glad to read this, I am becoming an anti-spam paranoid...
Well, suddenly they have all shown up, but three days late:)
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he Windows NT/2000 boot loader menu
1. Windows 2000
2. MS-DOS (as opposed to "Previous Operating System on C:")
Hehe, so I guess there's a difference between simply using DOS 6.22
format, and actually using DOS 6.22 SYS. Maybe the IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS and
COMMAND.COM cause the
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least according to the help file. I always check command /? before
running anything!
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1. Windows 2000
2. MS-DOS (as opposed to "Previous Operating System on C:")
Hehe, so I guess there's a difference between simply using DOS 6.22
format, and actually using DOS 6.22 SYS. Maybe the IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS and
COMMAND.COM cause the issue.
t into MS-DOS 6.22", that's something I
won't know until I've run the tests.
If I can get the files today (Sunday) I can test around Tuesday. Monday
is out because of multiple hard drive crashes on Dell systems that I
need to fix first.
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he Windows NT/2000 boot loader menu
1. Windows 2000
2. MS-DOS (as opposed to "Previous Operating System on C:")
Hehe, so I guess there's a difference between simply using DOS 6.22
format, and actually using DOS 6.22 SYS. Maybe the IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS and
COMMAND.COM cause the issue.
uses BOOTONLY without the forward slash - at
least according to the help file. I always check command /? before
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