with bad
penmanship?
More seriously, while a wiki may not be a social network for its own
sake, I do think it's worth emphasizing that collaboration depends on
some sort of human connection. Bots can be great tools to facilitate
work, but they do nothing to facilitate conn
e could be indiscriminately
republishing works acceptable to the regime while taking a much more
restrictive approach to works from a dissident perspective.
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have bigger issues, but it
strikes me that adding "Mark as Helpful" specifically to user talk
messages could be a good addition as well, assuming that the current
implementation indicates the feature has a positive impact.
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> The sum total of human knowledge, and we can't find a decent spam filter.
No, that really is the sum total of human knowledge, expressed in
hexadecimal. I was pretty sure it would add up to more than 42.
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highlight any portion of an article and open an edit window for just
that portion, could be helpful.
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happen if requested by community consensus. At some level, it would not
make sense to insist that consensus is required prior to conducting any
experiment, as that effectively defeats the ability to experiment.
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inclusion/deletion and notability.
In all respects, this was a very insightful analysis of the situation.
It's interesting to consider some of the unexpected tradeoffs involved
in taking different approaches to making an encyclopedia.
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> 2011/10/5 Michael Snow
>> On 10/5/2011 7:03 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote:
>>> Editor strike means not editing, it doesn't mean full service downtime.
>> When labor unions go on strike, they do more than not show up for work.
>> Th
a community, that it is in the best position to judge whether
this protest is needed, what measures are appropriate to the situation,
and how long to carry on with it.
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suspect that if we were substantially closer to a neutral approach in
our coverage of these topics, there might be much less pressure around
the principle of resistance to censorship.
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r people of a
certain era, maybe it also didn't help that the books were popular in
the USSR). It's possible that somebody somewhere did question its
inclusion once, which could be true of just about any book. Even if so,
nothing suggests that the concern had anything to do with enco
.
It's not a normal practice with any organization in their experience,
and to them it's akin to an attorney letting a client publish the
attorney's work product. I would guess that similar reasoning might
apply to the Fusco report.
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t that
the board lacks the ability to deal with other issues and focuses on
Wikipedia as a result - I think it reflects the uncertain position of
the community generally, which hasn't coalesced much around any
particular answer to those questions. I do hope the board contin
the organization to have value. That makes it more work for the branding
agency, while simultaneously being less able to claim what their
contribution was. It may make more sense to develop that capacity
internally, which is one thing the foundation
something like appointing
Jan-Bart as the observer for all European chapters, or Barry for all
Asian chapters (not that observers would necessarily have to be
Wikimedia board or staff). Again, I don't know that this is really the
best solution, but it's not completely i
erable to the foundation, and it could be fairly easy to
argue that they are an agent of the foundation. It undermines the
organizational independence much more dramatically.
If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical approach
might be
On 8/28/2011 10:04 PM, John Vandenberg wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
>> On 8/28/2011 9:00 PM, Victor Vasiliev wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Nathanwrote:
>>>> Which activities are these?
>>> Copyright and inte
n for the popular misconception is that most nonprofits avoid
lobbying altogether out of an abundance of caution. What the foundation
actually cannot do is contribute to political candidates or support
partisan activities, those are categorically prohibited
manage grants. At that point, it
may not be any more helpful to these objectives than the model we are
trying to move away from.
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on would be the place to start. I don't know if it's a
meaningful difference in function, so I'm skeptical as to what the
proposal would accomplish.
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On 8/6/2011 4:00 PM, Florence Devouard wrote:
> On 8/6/11 1:36 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>> On 8/5/2011 4:26 PM, John Vandenberg wrote:
>>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Snow
>>> wrote:
>>>> .. Honestly, I must say that it
>>>> is
fully predictable six months in advance, but things don't
quite work out that way.)
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On 8/5/2011 4:26 PM, John Vandenberg wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>> .. Honestly, I must say that it
>> is a colossal disappointment to find that with all the posts I've seen
>> both here and on internal-l, nobody has yet made a single e
ople to resist subscribing. Honestly, I must say that it
is a colossal disappointment to find that with all the posts I've seen
both here and on internal-l, nobody has yet made a single edit to the
talk page on Meta where the letter was posted. Doesn't anybody here know
how to use a wi
uch things, but in the context of writing Wikipedia
articles, our beliefs about the sources we use should not be religious,
they should be based on analysis and editorial judgment.
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On 7/8/2011 11:15 AM, Nathan wrote:
> Michael Snow, Sage Ross, HaeB... I think the WMF is conspiring against
> the Signpost :-P
You could include Phoebe too, for that matter. I'm always impressed with
how much has been accomplished with the Signpost that I could never have
envisioned
ee
may not have felt like it could fully step into the shoes of the board
in evaluating candidates for what the board wanted. So I think there are
unresolved issues in terms of how much of the process can be delegated,
and how to more effectively delegate the parts that can be.
aboveboard than it was. And I recall there was
understandable displeasure that some of the targets being used to
evaluate the grant were considered confidential at Omidyar's request.
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On 6/22/2011 10:14 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Michael Snow wrote:
>> I thought it was reasonably understandable, even without perfect
>> grammar, that Ting was saying that since Matt is no longer at Omidyar,
>> if your insinuation were true, when he left the foundation would have
eeded to bring in someone new from Omidyar to fill "their" board seat.
I figured that out, and honestly I wasn't even aware until now that Matt
had left Omidyar.
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that they are not done - I'm certain people are
interested in seeing the full results matrix as well, so it would be
appreciated if they can release that at some point.
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> informational, not educational.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what distinction you're trying to
make. In this context, those look like synonyms to me.
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can be kept because they were used in previous revisions of articles.
That's primarily an abstract theoretical response, and without some
concrete examples to look at I don't really have much of an opinion on
which direction we should resolve the question. Nor have I tried to
conside
anded those that were no longer needed or inactive. The
>> fundraising committee isn't mentioned specifically, but I'm sure it was
>> no longer operational by that point.
>>
>> --Michael Snow
> Indeed, the fundraising committee is mentioned in the "staff
would
consider all earlier committees dissolved unless their continued
function was acknowledged in that resolution.
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I'd have to say the enjoyment of cutting sarcasm is an important way in
which the community fosters the atmosphere we are concerned about.
Certainly it's something where I would admit some personal guilt.
--Michael Snow
On 3/28/2011 3:17 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote:
> Bes
t we needed to find the right person for that position on the
board. I would generally agree with much of David's advice as a matter
of theory, regardless of how familiar he is with actual current practice
at the foundation.
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is only hilights how disconnected are the elite from the
> working community.
>
> Now, actual exchanges that have got a lot of publicity and results:
> Kaltura: SF? No.. NY
A big part of Kaltura's contribution was to sponsor the wo
missed, and have my best wishes for your future endeavors. The one
consolation is that as a movement built around online volunteers
worldwide, we are easy to find and never far away, no matter where you go.
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ing a specific employer - demonstrate that you have the skills and
experience that employer is looking for, or go get them, quite possibly
by going elsewhere first. Experience in our particular community may
figure as an advantage among similarly-qualified candidates, but it
doesn't substitu
for someone to be the right fit for
us, and how adaptable both we and the candidates have to be during the
hiring process in how we think about the position.
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On 3/1/2011 2:41 PM, Pronoein wrote:
> Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
>> On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
>>> If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
>>> reasons that volunteers are leaving the boat.
>>
l also create and
improve upon initiatives that lead to a better community environment, as
that seems to be the dominant problem.
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projects for what they are, rather
than creating drama about things they aren't. Then we could focus more
on dealing with the drama on the projects themselves.
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bly, as it might seem unprofessional. Personally, I
prefer not to suggest that anyone is a troll, except for Domas (he likes
it).
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one of the Community department positions outlined
in the annual plan would cover this, and if things follow the schedule I
would hope to see such a position relatively soon.
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ing is structured to avoid any hint that such a website exists,
even to cover shipping terms or return policies. Unfortunately, this
philosophy also makes Amazon.com quite bad at standard practices for
giving credit where it is due. (And no, linking to IMDB doesn't count,
since they own it.
tity to
be built up for its own sake. Ask, rather, how your projects can help
with sharing knowledge and free culture. (Since that aligns with the
foundation's mission, I suppose it would help the foundation, but I
don't think asking that way motivates quite the s
as easier in those days. Seriously
though, this is absolutely fantastic news!
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On 12/9/2010 4:12 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Michael Snow wrote:
>> Assuming good faith, I think it crossed a line as far as accuracy goes,
>> but being misguided or inartful hardly makes it sleazy.
> Assuming good faith is what Newyorkbrad did when he suggested that it was
> si
ablish a charge or an accusation that can be
defended against. By way of illustration, that is one of the reasons
various advocates for a free press, free speech, and other civil
libertarians are so outraged at some of the government and corporate
tactics that
an that. I've already indicated where I stand on this,
but I find it embarrassing to have that position associated with
debating tactics like this. It's a perfect example of why it's often so
easy to dismiss our critics, when thei
unications. We need to
both make sense and be accurate. If it's accurate and doesn't make
sense, it probably won't be effective, but also just because something
makes sense to people doesn't make it accurate, and that's equally a
problem.
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ses. Ryan may have been in error about whether payments to
contractors were included in the figure quoted (he doesn't work in
accounting). That doesn't change the point that the "and other
compensation" includes rather significant expenses beyond simply base
salary, which is why hiring contractors involves a different
compensation structure.
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ractors
might receive a higher rate than the salary for an equivalent employee,
since contractors have to make other arrangements on their own.
Converting them into employees wouldn't necessarily create the potential
to save in terms of expenses for the Wikimedia Foundation.
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time, even if they are not made during the current contributions campaign.
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price for PediaPress, whether Brainbot
would sell, or whether that would be an appropriate use of funds in the
context of our mission and strategy - would people be okay with the
current placement of the service, including continuing to charge people
who order printed books?
--Michael Snow
ve dead period
during which no works are added to the public domain. It's for similar
reasons, albeit with a more complicated transition in its copyright
regime, that the public domain in the US has been stuck at works created
before 1923 for ages now.
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nymore. I'm not sure what effect that might have on Wikipedia traffic
in and of itself, but it means there are fewer algorithms to tweak, for
good or ill.
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;paper of record" to so many
people. But in many other ways, Wikipedia is not a great proposition
against which to sell advertising. Perhaps it should be no surprise that
this is so, considering that Wikipedia was not designed or built for the
purpose of being a great proposition against which to sell advertising.
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On 10/24/2010 4:30 PM, John Vandenberg wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>> On 10/24/2010 4:12 PM, John Vandenberg wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Pharos
>>> wrote:
>>>> Perhaps an alternative strategy could be t
uld the parallel processes require comparable levels of agreement for
starting or shutting down a project? That would seem fair.
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coverage in the humanities.
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he notion of being an encyclopedia anyone can edit. For me, any
attraction that developing a "flagged revisions" or "pending changes"
feature has ever had is connected to the potential that it would lead to
an environment in which we can restore that ability for unregistered
con
ut existing roles in the Wikimedia movement.
It can also decline to pursue matters Sue has asked it to consider,
though I must say that in my experience Sue was very good at maintaining
an appropriate role relative to the board, and the idea of her diverting
the board's agenda from wher
f window. I
relayed it to Ting as part of our transition of responsibilities, so it
has been passed along, and no doubt people are welcome to inquire as to
its current status. But since I'm no longer privy to board
deliberations, I can't provide mu
On 9/28/2010 4:41 PM, Risker wrote:
> On 28 September 2010 18:58, Ryan Lomonaco wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Michael Snow>> We would be better off with more people working
>>> seriously to figure out the best answers to the issues this feature
>>>
duel about the significance of a set of
polling statistics. It's like having politicians decide how to govern
entirely based on opinion polls.
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ot; status
largely because of the connotations of the name. This despite the fact
that I feel reasonably capable of navigating most bureaucracies (a skill
that has far more to do with whether someone can "appreciate"
bureaucracy than their nationality).
--Michael Snow
On 9/25/2010 8:53 AM
d likes to call Wikipedia's
house style in the other direction. Another manifestation is that it's
probably a bigger challenge for experts in the humanities, broadly
speaking, to persuasively overcome objections from the uninformed. It's
easier for someone to be obtuse and stubbornly fight ideas that are
generally accepted, something that for scientific questions shows up
primarily in the biggest-picture contexts where no one expert can
demonstrate or defend every last conclusion, topics like evolution or
global warming.
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x27;s a very good concept to try out. I'm excited that Zack is putting
those ideas into practice and I look forward to seeing the work of
Steven and future fellows.
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not just Wikipedia.)
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Peter Damian wrote:
> Hoping I am not straying too far off-topic.
You are. Are the Citizendium forum and mailing lists so completely dead
that issues with its articles cannot be discussed there?
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ing at each other,
acknowledge that it's unhealthy for either of them to be so
disproportionately represented, and focus their energies on recruiting
more people who add real cognitive diversity. That's part of what the
board and the foundation are trying to do in the context of the
stra
hanges in the English version. The point of seed
content is to provide a basis for new life and growth, which by
necessity must outgrow and cast off the shell in which the seed came. At
that point, trying to maintain or recreate the shell doesn't
particula
use
of many fits and starts in its overall development, it is for very good
reason that knowledge works from a rather larger picture.
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now that I'd hesitate to use them in languages that I've studied but
am not particularly fluent in, like Spanish or Italian (not that those
Wikipedias need this kind of contribution from me anyway). If the tools
are being used indiscriminately, it might be best to persuade peo
and develops, we may find better ways of auditing
that kind of performance. For now, it seems like the right thing for
chapters to focus on figuring out what they should be doing, and
learning from mistakes as they come up.
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copyleft and Creative Commons. I think the length of that sentence ought
to illustrate just how tenuous the connection is.
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es). I'm not sure it will be used to hire any actual lobbyists
or mount a specific legislative campaign, although we should certainly
keep an eye out for further developments in that regard. If that does
materialize, I'd be happy to speak ou
Victor Vasiliev wrote:
> On 06/24/2010 10:20 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> 4. We do expect material in our projects to be educational in nature,
>>
>>> and any material that is not educational should be removed.
>>>
> I still believe such a
Thomas Dalton wrote:
> On 24 June 2010 19:08, geni wrote:
>
>> On 24 June 2010 07:20, Michael Snow wrote:
>>
>>>> 4. We do expect material in our projects to be educational in nature,
>>>> and any material that is not educational should be remo
ikipedia.org .
>
I don't think we've even decided those are the only options. It could
also use a namespace within the same domain, or take advantage of other
technical features like subpages, or be set up like a portal or
wikiproj
Replying for the purpose of forwarding the original message, part two.
--Michael Snow
On 6/23/2010 10:59 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
> What is the purpose of the resolution?
>
> The Board is asking its Executive Director to conduct a study, with the
> goal of figuring out what
ell.
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On 6/23/2010 10:47 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
> As a follow-up to the previous statement and discussion about
> appropriate educational content, the board has passed a resolution
> requesting a study of the issue of potentially objectionable content. We
> have aske
iously
implicated, like locker-room-type banter or casual objectification of
women. This is why I think it's so important for us to examine our
culture and figure out what we need to do to improve it.
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the board's immediate activity,
and the current work of the governance committee is focused more on
structures needed to organize the board's own functions.
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I'd note that in the history of that page, it dates back to March 2006
and even then the original author was listed as unknown. That makes it
exactly the sort of quote that is easily misattributed to Winston
Churchill o
ished the
job and made it "campain".)
--Michael Snow
susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Liam,
>
> We're not (looking to set up a new data centre in Europe). We're planning a
> second US data centre, likely in Virginia. Mark Bergsma's in the office this
&g
Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> The replies to my comment are missing the point. Sure, the developers
>> themselves need to be able to handle public criticism of their work,
>> just like wiki editors. But I was respondin
Chad wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> ...if for example I was qualified to review a
>> staff member's patch (which I'm not), I might want to think twice about
>> what audience gets that feedback.
>>
>> --Michael
or contractors when you're in
such a position. There are good reasons that work evaluations and other
personnel matters are considered confidential. I don't mean to say that
staff shouldn't be discussing code, roadmaps, or rationales as widely
and open
On 6/9/2010 12:12 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
> Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> There have been a lot of red herrings brought up on all sides of that
>> issue. Use of images in a context that is on-topic and educational is
>> clearly one of those, although I would sugge
he overall health of our
community in the long term, I don't think it's an overreaction to want
to address it.
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the intent of the person doing the
"biting", it's about the impact on those who encounter it. We need to be
more welcoming to people, and striving for more cultural awareness is
part of that.
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> Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> Similarly, we know that the community population skews young and male.
>> That has important consequences, and some of those unfortunately
>> reinforce our lack of diversity. It's be
outreach
forever to recruit underrepresented groups (whether it's ethnicity, age,
gender, or other factors), and it would accomplish very little without
significant improvements in our culture.
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for FlaggedRevs. The only relevant mental
> association that comes to mind is "robot tongue".
>
As a sports fan, to me it looks like the backboard of a basketball hoop.
I actually rather liked "Hyperion Frobnosticating Endoswitch", but such
a wonderful name deserves to fi
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