Re: [OT] FlexCover on Apache Flex base

2012-03-01 Thread Petr Svoboda
well - as FlexSDK is mostly "component kit", it would be IMHO beneficial, to have some optional packages, that could host these "extra" kind of components. (like data visualization is separate) Your ideas, comments? On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 3/1/12 8:55 AM, "

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Cortlandt Winters
You know, you're right. I think I was reacting to carol's response to it and thought that the word vaporware was in there but it doesn't seem to be. I do think that the term vaporwear would have been unprofessional as it would imply an unnecessarily jaded view that they'll never get them done. I t

Re: Why Spark? (was Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components))

2012-03-01 Thread Cortlandt Winters
Ok. I'm totally willing to believe you and to think that I'm missing something here but I think you have to explain that a little bit more. What kind of apps were these? Were they super detailed subcomponents? Or was a combobox something that needed an item renderer? What other UI set are you compa

RE: Why Spark? (was Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components))

2012-03-01 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>the mx components were very well designed and complete and (though >complicated) hit a nice sweet spot between many trade-offs. I do agree that it was often about what types of apps you were building, however, just to provide another perspective, the mx components were neither well designed

Re: Why Spark? (was Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components))

2012-03-01 Thread Cortlandt Winters
Actually this is a very good question and I think that folk have many different opinions. Often based on the kinds of apps that they work on or the kind of work that they do. While I have no true window into the motivation, I believe that the motivation of the spark component set is two fold. The

RE: Why Spark? (was Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components))

2012-03-01 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Spark was supposed to enable fully-declarative skins for Flash Catalyst and >leverage a lot of other lessons learned from MX. But that didn't happen. True, however, just moving the child instantiation out of the component has made this architecture so much easier to work with and extend in prac

Re: Why Spark? (was Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components))

2012-03-01 Thread Alex Harui
>> >> Maybe, I am completely off base here, but exactly what is the motivation of >> the spark component set? Spark was supposed to enable fully-declarative skins for Flash Catalyst and leverage a lot of other lessons learned from MX. But that didn't happen. >> Is it the new skinning paradigm, o

Re: Why Spark? (was Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components))

2012-03-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 3/1/12 3:25 PM, "Om" wrote: > Right, but why are mx components shipping when equivalent spark versions > are available? This to me is the biggest sticking point. Can we nix mx > components from future releases if that is the 'old' way of doing things? > > Was the original plan (by Adobe

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 3/1/12 3:33 PM, "Omar Gonzalez" wrote: >> >> I hadn't realized you could do this, so this essentially has the same > effect as moving the class to a new namespace, so I'm fine with that since > it's already working. I'll update the wiki to reflect that. > I think that was a hack of sorts.

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
I updated the wiki with the information Carol shared about unreleased Spark components from Adobe and also updated the Spacer entry. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Missing+Spark+Components -- Omar Gonzalez s9tpep...@apache.org Apache Flex PPMC Member

Re: Why Spark? (was Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components))

2012-03-01 Thread David Francis Buhler
I believe Adobe needed to support a backwards compatible product. My own preference is to take the same approach as certain software companies, and leave it to clients and companies to migrate to a faster, better, leaner platform (because we're not supporting backwards compatibility). On Thu, Mar

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Ryan Frishberg
Thanks for (re)pointing that out Carol. Looks like it was done with http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/SDK-28369 -Ryan On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Carol Frampton wrote: > Someone said this several messages back but I don't think everybody saw > that since people are talking about when ther

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Carol Frampton wrote: > Someone said this several messages back but I don't think everybody saw > that since people are talking about when there is a s:Spacer. > > There is an entry in the spark manifest that points to mx:Spacer so > s:Spacer is mx:Spacer. > > It h

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Carol Frampton
Someone said this several messages back but I don't think everybody saw that since people are talking about when there is a s:Spacer. There is an entry in the spark manifest that points to mx:Spacer so s:Spacer is mx:Spacer. It has already shipped so you can't/shouldn't turn it into something els

Re: Why Spark? (was Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components))

2012-03-01 Thread Om
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > > > > Maybe, I am completely off base here, but exactly what is the motivation > of > > the spark component set? Is it the new skinning paradigm, or is it > better > > performing versions of existing components or is it a completely > differe

Why Spark? (was Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components))

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
> > Maybe, I am completely off base here, but exactly what is the motivation of > the spark component set? Is it the new skinning paradigm, or is it better > performing versions of existing components or is it a completely different > set of components that happen to have similar names? If this i

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Om
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Michael A. Labriola < labri...@digitalprimates.net> wrote: > >See, I have a problem with this. Why would we not want to do that? The > ideal scenario is keep the interface same/similar but support everything. > >Internally, we can do things efficiently. > > That a

Re: Adobe Spark Components In Progress

2012-03-01 Thread Carol Frampton
On 3/1/12 3 :57PM, "Omar Gonzalez" wrote: >Hi Carol/Alex, > >I updated the Missing Spark Components list with notes that s:Accordion >and >s:AdvancedDataGrid are in awaiting review/donation. Are there others you >could shed some light on that I can update on the list? I don't mean to >detract you

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > I should reiterate the fact that this list is not a proposition that each > MX component be match 1:1 with what should be available in Spark. This is > why in some cases in the list, like for mx:ApplicationControlBar, I point > to spark.compon

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
> > > Completely agree. This was my issue with the 1-1 list, just because it was > done once doesn't mean it should be done the same way forever. > > -- > Jonathan Campos > I should reiterate the fact that this list is not a proposition that each MX component be match 1:1 with what should be avail

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Michael A. Labriola < labri...@digitalprimates.net> wrote: > That assumes that the way it did work was ideal or even good in some > cases. I have no desire to make transitions harder for people but you also > don't want to couple all future development to the interf

RE: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>See, I have a problem with this. Why would we not want to do that? The ideal >scenario is keep the interface same/similar but support everything. >Internally, we can do things efficiently. That assumes that the way it did work was ideal or even good in some cases. I have no desire to make tra

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread David Francis Buhler
+1 [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/technology/impatient-web-users-flee-slow-loading-sites.html?_r=1&ref=technology On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Ryan Frishberg wrote: > +1 what alex said. Let's support the common use-cases only and work to > achieve better performing Flex apps. > > -R

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Ryan Frishberg
+1 what alex said. Let's support the common use-cases only and work to achieve better performing Flex apps. -Ryan On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 3/1/12 12:37 PM, "Om" wrote: > > > It might not be a very common use case, but it is a valid use case > > nevertheless

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 3/1/12 1:31 PM, "Om" wrote: > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 3/1/12 12:37 PM, "Om" wrote: >> >>> It might not be a very common use case, but it is a valid use case >>> nevertheless. >> I would prefer that we don't try to serve the uncommon use case

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Om
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 3/1/12 12:37 PM, "Om" wrote: > > > It might not be a very common use case, but it is a valid use case > > nevertheless. > I would prefer that we don't try to serve the uncommon use case. Why make > everyone pay for a full UIComponent

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Rafael Santos
Great... good discussion I don't think a mvc framework should go in the core framework of flex... It doesn't make sense I agree on that 100% The idea of extensions sound great to me, but I don't have a lot of experience with this idea on an opensource project to suggest a model that would

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Om wrote: > Because in some cases, you cant. For example, mx:TabNavigator will not > take non Halo components as children. There are workarounds needed in some > cases where you mix mx and spark components. > Yup, the NavigationContent component. -- Jonathan C

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Bradley Slavik
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Jonathan Campos >wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Om wrote: > > > > > This will help developers smoothly > > > migrate their existing apps to the spark architecture and reduce the > > > confusion w

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Om
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Jonathan Campos wrote: > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Om wrote: > > > This will help developers smoothly > > migrate their existing apps to the spark architecture and reduce the > > confusion while doing so. > > > > Why is it bad to say (as part of the migration

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 3/1/12 12:37 PM, "Om" wrote: > It might not be a very common use case, but it is a valid use case > nevertheless. I would prefer that we don't try to serve the uncommon use case. Why make everyone pay for a full UIComponent just for space? You are welcome to create a sample "SpacerWithT

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Daniel Reicher
> > Now that is a much better argument and that should be something we can fix > up. Though I am guessing you won't see any "spark only" radio buttons in > Flash Builder. > > Its already there. I don't remember when it was added but its in your Properties -> Flex Build Path in FB 4.6. It also shows

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Daniel Reicher wrote: > I don't think mx needs to go away, but it would be nice for developers to > be able to hit the "Spark Only" radio button in Flash Builder and not have > to worry about paying the download tax. > Now that is a much better argument and that s

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Jonathan Campos wrote: > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Om wrote: > > > This will help developers smoothly > > migrate their existing apps to the spark architecture and reduce the > > confusion while doing so. > > > > Why is it bad to say (as part of the migration

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Om wrote: > This will help developers smoothly > migrate their existing apps to the spark architecture and reduce the > confusion while doing so. > Why is it bad to say (as part of the migration process), "you can still use all the old components the same exact wa

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Daniel Reicher
> > > Why do we need to get rid of the mx namespace? If it ain't broke don't fix > it. While I can understand personal preference to see s: instead of mx: I > don't really think that this is a huge necessity. > The "RSL tax" for me is the most obvious reason. Admittedly, using mx:Spacer alone doe

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Om
Sorry, my wording was unclear. I was NOT talking about getting rid of the mx namespace from the Flex SDK. I dont want to start a war here :-) My point is that if we are going to create a s:Spacer class, it should support the same functionalities that mx:Spacer currently supports. We can add fun

Adobe Spark Components In Progress

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
Hi Carol/Alex, I updated the Missing Spark Components list with notes that s:Accordion and s:AdvancedDataGrid are in awaiting review/donation. Are there others you could shed some light on that I can update on the list? I don't mean to detract your focus from your current work for the compiler, JI

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Om wrote: > I see the performance argument, but we want to also make sure that existing > apps can easily get rid of mx namespace as easy as possible. > Why do we need to get rid of the mx namespace? If it ain't broke don't fix it. While I can understand personal

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Om
> > I think it should be a subclass of Rect for performance reasons...if people > need something else, they will figure it out. If people want a Skinnable > or fancier spacer, they can create a simple custom class for their own > purposes. > But you cant do things like this: It might not be a

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Erik Lundgren
1 mar 2012 kl. 21.07 skrev Omar Gonzalez: > in my tags annoys the shit out of me. Sometimes Flex cheats. mx.controls.Spacer is also a spark class. Through the manifest files it lives in multiple namespaces. But remains the same class. You can do both and . If this is convenient or confus

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Om wrote: > mx.controls.Spacer is nothing but a UIComponent. It adds nothing and it > modifies nothing. The only difference is the usage in a given context. To > keep it consistent, we should just copy it over to spark.components.Spacer > and call it a day. I

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Ryan Frishberg
Wow, the thread on this simple topic has gotten quite large. One of the main complaints against how Spark was originally written was that it was too inconvenient. That is the main reason the ship date for Flex 4 got delayed. We need to find a good balance point between ease-of-use and strict co

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > Does ButtonBar do that? Honestly I haven't tried to make a ToggleButtonBar so I can't say. I want to say it does, but there is always some margin for error. -- Jonathan Campos

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Om
mx.controls.Spacer is nothing but a UIComponent. It adds nothing and it modifies nothing. The only difference is the usage in a given context. To keep it consistent, we should just copy it over to spark.components.Spacer and call it a day. This addresses the problem of halo vs. spark component

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Jonathan Campos wrote: > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Omar Gonzalez >wrote: > > > ToggleButton !== Button, I think another component is needed here no? > > > I *may* need a new skin. But in this case I would use composition with the > togglebutton, not the but

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > ToggleButton !== Button, I think another component is needed here no? I *may* need a new skin. But in this case I would use composition with the togglebutton, not the button. You may remember that there is a toggle button in spark already.

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Cortlandt Winters wrote: > I think this is a great list but that it should be more courteous and > professional in tone. I'm happy to edit the page, I don't see where it is being unprofessional. Can you point out what you would like to see edited or what you take

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread almansour belleh blanco
username: Mansuro -- Mansour Blanco Software engineer Stackoverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/users/612920/mansuro Blog: zuro.blogspot.com github: https://github.com/Mansuro

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Cortlandt Winters
I think this is a great list but that it should be more courteous and professional in tone. I am really thankful that Adobe's committed to finish out the spark set and I'm sure it's a lot of work. Lets cheer these folk on instead of making any timeline that isn't tomorrow a failure. That would be v

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Arnoud Bos
> > Fair enough, I was thinking about how inconsistent VGroup and HGroup were > to a tighter lighter framework. Heh, it is what it is at this point. > > What if we put these convenience classes like s:TileList and > s:LinkButton in another package, like spark.components.convenience, or some > ot

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > What if we put these convenience classes like s:TileList and > s:LinkButton in another package, like spark.components.convenience, or some > other name. We can then compile that into its own SWC and it can be an > optional part of the framewo

RE: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Unless you really know that that space is really just blank space the argument >could be made that having a visual characteristic that you can't easily style >or change is premature optimization. Which I say is actually a good argument for not making a component but rather letting you put any

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Cortlandt Winters
I'd say that this depends on workflow. If you have a photoshop composite that you know you are going to stick to like glue then you want to use the minimaly weighted set of components necessary to make it look that way and get the potential performance gains. But if you expect a lot of design cha

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Michael A. Labriola < labri...@digitalprimates.net> wrote: > >I didn't put 100%, I put just 100, 100 pixels. :P > > I know and I knew you were going to call me on that but my over the top > approach didn't work as well with 100 pixels. > > >But I get what you're sa

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Arnoud Bos
count me in! Arnoud On 01-03-2012, at 13:46, Rafael Santos wrote: > I would like to hear from everyone about this > > I have being developing a MVC Framework for Flex for the last 3-4 years > now. The framework is based on Fake Framework that is on Google Code. > > Since last year we wante

RE: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I didn't put 100%, I put just 100, 100 pixels. :P I know and I knew you were going to call me on that but my over the top approach didn't work as well with 100 pixels. >But I get what you're saying, however, I still think that easing the migration >path is a worthy endeavor. I'm not saying we

RE: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Aaron Miller
What about an extension to the framework (like TLF, OSMF, etc.), that provided additional "template" components and skins, the purpose of which would serve as a clear migration path for Halo based projects? This would allow projects to develop new functionality using Spark concepts, while preser

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 3/1/12 9:48 AM, "Michael A. Labriola" wrote: > Why set the width to 100% on a space, why not have or > then you don't need to set the properties at all? > Incidentally, I support that idea (honestly) if someone want to compose > objects in their own framework or project for their own use,

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Michael A. Labriola < labri...@digitalprimates.net> wrote: > > This is exactly why I feel we should have these. People first > > instinct, at least mine was, was to look for an equivalent. Subclassing > with convenience setters would go a long way toward reducing >

RE: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Michael A. Labriola
> This is exactly why I feel we should have these. People first > instinct, at least mine was, was to look for an equivalent. Subclassing > with convenience setters would go a long way toward reducing > frustrations people have had with migrating. Not everyone is immediately > aware of >all th

Re: [OT] FlexCover on Apache Flex base

2012-03-01 Thread Rafael Santos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 14:22, Alex Harui wrote: > > On 3/1/12 8:55 AM, "Antonio Hernández de la Rosa" > wrote: > > It is pretty clear to me that we can't just choose to integrate other code > into the Apache Flex project. > > In general, code is "owned" by some entity and has to be donated by th

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread andrei apostolache
If you take a look on almost all MVC frameworks (pureMVC, robotlegs) are not only for Flex. These frameworks can also be used for AS3 and implemented in Flash, which is not related at all with Apache Flex. And I agree with Igor, the decision of what MVC framework to use depends on the developers in

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
> > > I wouldn't be opposed to a subclass of s:Rect called s:Spacer if folks > think > it will help with migration and learning curves. Same for s:Line to > s:Vrule/s:Hrule > > -- > Alex Harui > Flex SDK Team > Adobe Systems, Inc. > http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui > > This is exactly why I feel we s

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Igor Costa
I always believe that an MVC approach into Flex SDK will succumb the freedom of choice by many developers out there. I suggestion is to adopt a mvc aware that can be fit in any other MVC out there. The suggestion of Ruby Gems model I totally disagree, because as in Ruby Gems doesn't have access

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Jonathan Campos wrote: > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Omar Gonzalez >wrote: > > > I've added a page to the wiki to keep track of the current inventory of > MX > > components, their Spark counterparts, and whether they are currently > > missing. > > > > I don't w

Re: s:Spacer (was Re: Missing Spark components)

2012-03-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 3/1/12 7:47 AM, "Michael A. Labriola" wrote: > > Or, in the Flex 4 model, you can but an empty rectangle in the 'space' that > you need. It doesn't carry the weight of a whole component and is much more > performant. I wouldn¹t object if you wanted to have a graphical element which > just

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Igor Costa
The missing point to Flex SDK is, Move on! If those components are not sparked by spark itself, move on. Don't replicate legacy code into a new formula. Let's be more creative people, implementing new components based on Spark Architecture. Because later on, we will have a new architecture that

Re: [OT] FlexCover on Apache Flex base

2012-03-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 3/1/12 8:55 AM, "Antonio Hernández de la Rosa" wrote: > This is not a relevant / core functionality for flex sdk > I'm all for giving related code a home if it needs one. > El 01/03/2012, a las 17:51, andrei apostolache escribió: > >> Even if it might look like a interesting tool for ent

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread João Fernandes
On 1 March 2012 17:13, andrei apostolache wrote: > And I don't see why I will need a MVC framework directly implemented in > Flex SDK, > That's not I said, it's an extension so the core would never have dependencies on extensions, otherwise they aren't extensions anymore. > Each project should

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 3/1/12 9:11 AM, "Jarosław Szczepankiewicz" wrote: > what's the purpose? sharing mailing lists? sharing repository? sharing > documentation? apart from that why framework Parsley, not Matte or > something else? How this will affect releasing new edition of flex > sdk? Will we wait with relea

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Carol Frampton wrote: > Omar, > > I am sorry that this is going to sound a little snippy but would you > prefer we stop working on getting the compiler and mustella ready and work > on moving the new spark components over to apache? I'm guessing not. Definitely

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 3/1/12 8:59 AM, "João Fernandes" wrote: > I wonder if the Apache Flex couldn't be splitted in core and extensions? > > In the core we could have what we have now as the SDK + compiler, what is > required to get the job done (primary project target) and extensions could > be small projects

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread andrei apostolache
My opinion is that Apache Flex should be only what Flex was in Adobe's era. A simple SDK that contains only the necessary code to create an RIA. FlexUnit, FlexCover are already projects set on google code. BlazeDS will be somewhere in the future donated by Adobe as different project. And I don't se

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Jarosław Szczepankiewicz
what's the purpose? sharing mailing lists? sharing repository? sharing documentation? apart from that why framework Parsley, not Matte or something else? How this will affect releasing new edition of flex sdk? Will we wait with release of 4.9 sdk for bugfixing in library X? 2012/3/1 João Fernandes

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Doug Arthur
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:49 AM, David Francis Buhler wrote: > Done: pedalfaster > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Doug Arthur wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:21 AM, David Francis Buhler >> wrote: >> > I have a BA in English and worked as a Technical Writer for a big >> software >> > comp

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread João Fernandes
I wonder if the Apache Flex couldn't be splitted in core and extensions? In the core we could have what we have now as the SDK + compiler, what is required to get the job done (primary project target) and extensions could be small projects that could be associated as enhancements of the project, l

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Doug Arthur
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:55 AM, almansour belleh blanco wrote: > I don't have permission to make edits too. Please send me your username.

Re: [OT] FlexCover on Apache Flex base

2012-03-01 Thread Antonio Hernández de la Rosa
This is not a relevant / core functionality for flex sdk El 01/03/2012, a las 17:51, andrei apostolache escribió: > Even if it might look like a interesting tool for enterprise development, > having it in the Flex SDK will just make the SDK size bigger. > I don't think the majority of developers

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread almansour belleh blanco
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Re: [OT] FlexCover on Apache Flex base

2012-03-01 Thread andrei apostolache
Even if it might look like a interesting tool for enterprise development, having it in the Flex SDK will just make the SDK size bigger. I don't think the majority of developers will use it, so is much better to keep the sdk as light as possible. Regards, Andrei. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Ra

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread David Francis Buhler
Done: pedalfaster On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Doug Arthur wrote: > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:21 AM, David Francis Buhler > wrote: > > I have a BA in English and worked as a Technical Writer for a big > software > > company (writing software manuals). If there's a need to edit and review > >

[OT] FlexCover on Apache Flex base

2012-03-01 Thread Rafael Santos
What do think about integrating FlexCover in the Apache Flex code base? http://code.google.com/p/flexcover/ FlexCover is a great tool for test coverage, but as for today we need to change Flex source and recompile to make it work. Regarding Enterprise systems it is a powerful tool. Rafael Santos

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Rafael Santos
> > We could do that for application frameworks that need a home and don't have > a separate community as well. The real question is who plans to work on > it. > I probably wouldn't work on the application frameworks. > > And, you can always fork off a technology later if it does get its own > com

RE: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Don't think I care for any type of license really... The idea is to make it >open and get some help from those who find that interesting I would only >have to refactor >the code and make it compliant with the latest version (I >would wait for the version 4.8 or 4.9) I prefer putting it

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Doug Arthur
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:21 AM, David Francis Buhler wrote: > I have a BA in English and worked as a Technical Writer for a big software > company (writing software manuals). If there's a need to edit and review > the Wiki Pages so they present themselves as unbiased, professional, with a > single

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Rafael Santos
2012/3/1 Jarosław Szczepankiewicz > Let's write a wiki page with categories and links to the projects > hosted on githud / sourceforge etc.. This will be very usefull for > everybody looking for libraries / additions to flex. > That is a good idea I have a bunch of those... I actually got so

Re: [JIRA] PPMC Jira usernames (was: JIRA instance is finally up and running!)

2012-03-01 Thread Doug Arthur
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:38 AM, David Francis Buhler wrote: > JIRA username: davidbuhler > > On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Sebastian Mohr wrote: > >> JIRA username: masuland Hi David, I do not see that you are listed as a committer [1], so therefore no further action is required to give you

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Rafael Santos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 13:07, Michael A. Labriola < labri...@digitalprimates.net> wrote: > >Mike, I agree with you that the core framework should stay simple, but > maybe we could have some complementary projects don't you think? > > Without a doubt. I have developed a few of them. I fully support

Re: [JIRA] PPMC Jira usernames (was: JIRA instance is finally up and running!)

2012-03-01 Thread Doug Arthur
2012/2/25 Sebastian Mohr : > JIRA username: masuland Hi Sebastian, Your username could not found in Jira when I tried to add you. - Doug

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 3/1/12 8:00 AM, "Rafael Santos" wrote: > > Mike, I agree with you that the core framework should stay simple, but > maybe we could have some complementary projects don't you think? What I think I've learned so far, is that Apache is about community as well as technology. If there is a not

Re: [JIRA] PPMC Jira usernames (was: JIRA instance is finally up and running!)

2012-03-01 Thread Doug Arthur
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > Also would it be possible to have "Create Shared Object" permission so I can > share filters. > > Thanks, > Justin Hi Justin, I've added you to the committers list in Jira. You would probably have to ask Infra about the permission

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Jarosław Szczepankiewicz
Let's write a wiki page with categories and links to the projects hosted on githud / sourceforge etc.. This will be very usefull for everybody looking for libraries / additions to flex. 2012/3/1 Michael A. Labriola : >>Mike, I agree with you that the core framework should stay simple, but maybe >

Re: svn commit: r1295396 - in /incubator/flex/whiteboard/jmclean/validators: ./ src/ src/mx/ src/mx/core/ src/mx/core/Version.as src/mx/validators/ src/mx/validators/PostCodeValidator.as src/tests/ sr

2012-03-01 Thread Rafael Santos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:57, Carol Frampton wrote: > > On 2/29/12 10 :20PM, "Rafael Santos" wrote: > > >As long as I can remember Spark does not cover every component that exist > >on mx. Many components were left behind (ViewStack, Accordion, LinkButton > >and many others). > > > >Rafael Santo

Re: [JIRA] PPMC Jira usernames (was: JIRA instance is finally up and running!)

2012-03-01 Thread Doug Arthur
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 3:25 PM, JP Bader wrote: > JIRa username: lordb8r Hi JB, I do not see that you are listed as a committer [1], so therefore no further action is required to give you additional permissions in Jira. Users automatically have access to submit issues and add comments to existi

RE: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Mike, I agree with you that the core framework should stay simple, but maybe >we could have some complementary projects don't you think? Without a doubt. I have developed a few of them. I fully support the idea of having something like a gem repository, I just meant I didn't want to see the ma

Re: [Wiki] Decisions so far

2012-03-01 Thread Rafael Santos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:13, Carol Frampton wrote: > > On 2/29/12 9 :49PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: > > >Coding style could be in the same format as the existing code. ie If you > >adding a patch to a file you should code in the same style as what is > >currently in the file. > > I'd also add a p

Re: [JIRA] PPMC Jira usernames (was: JIRA instance is finally up and running!)

2012-03-01 Thread Doug Arthur
2012/2/24 Michelle Yaiser : > JIRA username:  myaiser Hi Michelle, Your username could not found in Jira when I tried to add you. - Doug

Re: Missing Spark Components List

2012-03-01 Thread Haykel BEN JEMIA
PopUpButton : Button + PopUpAnchor? All list variants: Create a List and set its 'layout' property, you don't even need a special skin. VRule and HRule: Line. Haykel On 1 March 2012 16:34, Jonathan Campos wrote: > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Omar Gonzalez >wrote: > > > I've added a page

Re: [OT] Thoughts on a Apache Flex MVC Framework

2012-03-01 Thread Rafael Santos
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:45, Michael A. Labriola < labri...@digitalprimates.net> wrote: > > >Should be another project. Such as Ruby is it's own language and then you > have Ruby on Rails. > > My personal opinion is that the Flex framework should stay tight and in > the realm of a component frame

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