On 22 December 2015 at 05:54, Teodoro Santoni wrote:
> 2015-12-21 21:57 GMT+01:00, Mitt Green :
> > Sir, I simply cannot believe that people choose to
> > spend their time wasting energy just because.
> > Someone surely funds this. You can call me
> > a conspiracy theorist but I can't think of
>
2015-12-21 21:57 GMT+01:00, Mitt Green :
> Sir, I simply cannot believe that people choose to
> spend their time wasting energy just because.
> Someone surely funds this. You can call me
> a conspiracy theorist but I can't think of
> something else. I've literally spent a couple of hours
> thinking
Brian Nash wrote:
> Regardless of whether John is a troll, this list seems to be tearing
> itself apart at the slightest provocation.
> Perhaps people here are more stressed than they let on.
> Perhaps _certain people_ should cut them some slack.
I read that you are appealing for moderation, whi
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:48:55 -0500, Steve wrote in message
<20151221134855.79500...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> Cmon everyone, quit dancing to the troll's tune. You know what he is,
> you know he wants to make this list more like debian-user, and if you
> look at the past 4 days' archives, you see he's
Regardless of whether John is a troll, this list seems to be tearing
itself apart at the slightest provocation.
Perhaps people here are more stressed than they let on.
Perhaps _certain people_ should cut them some slack.
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 08:16:09PM +, Rowland Penny wrote:
On 21/12/15
Mitt Green writes:
[...]
> - RedHat doesn't own systemd
> (https://www.happyassassin.net/2013/11/28/the-problem-with-systemdred-hat-conspiracy-theories-red-hat-does-not-own-systemd/);
The problem with uninformed claptrap like that is that it's uninformed
claptrap. Whether or not code written by
I actually took a look through their blog a while ago and
it was one of moments that caused doubts.
What I understand (not from the blog but by myself):
- big companies have always been trying to control Linux but
they still can't;
- big companies mostly create controversial products that the c
This developer has some thoughts on the matter, Mitt:
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/openwashing-and-other-deceptions-in-linux/
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impot
Jaromil wrote:
>no offence taken, but this is a bit naive. I will just speak for myself,
>but many people here may contribute sad stories. >Nevertheless, I'm not
>calling for such a thread now.
>In the logs of this mailinglist you'll find some track record of direct
>personal aggressions I've s
On 22/12/15 08:39, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 07:54:21AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
>> On 22/12/15 03:59, Adam Borowski wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
deb-src http://angban
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015, Mitt Green wrote:
> >The donation box is full of small
> >transactions made with stolen credit cards, I have to decline this stuff
> >every week to stay clear of Stripe and Paypal's ban. So my guess is
> >that the trolls are still active and trying to hit below the belt.
>
>
Mitt Green writes:
> You miss my point. I am trying to deliver
> the message that it is in my opinion
> unacceptable for people to use oath and insults in
> public. Doesn't matter in a pub, in a shop,
> in a mailing list, in a class, in a street, whatever.
> It can be acceptable in gangsta rap, i
>Our project is developing an alternative, not providing space for debate
That's why I'd like to end this discussion.
>Please let us know if you ever find out spaces where unbiased debate on
>systemd can take place, some people here and among them myself may be
>able to contribute then.
Sure. B
Jaromil wrote:
>The donation box is full of small
>transactions made with stolen credit cards, I have to decline this stuff
>every week to stay clear of Stripe and Paypal's ban. So my guess is
>that the trolls are still active and trying to hit below the belt.
First, how can we say that these
On 21/12/15 20:01, Mitt Green wrote:
Rowland Penny wrote:
I am beginning to think this may be aimed squarely at me, if so, then
come out and say so. I think Mitt may have taken exception to the word 'moron'
[...]
It was addressed to everyone here. You have taken a few chances here
trying to
dear Mitt,
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015, Mitt Green wrote:
> Rowland Penny wrote:
>
> >I am beginning to think this may be aimed squarely at me, if so, then
> >come out and say so. I think Mitt may have taken exception to the
> >word 'moron' [...]
>
> It was addressed to everyone here. You have taken
Hi,
I don't know whether what I will suggest is politically acceptable,
but I think the trouble to patch netman, instead of manual editing
bypassing all git background workings favours a faster deployment of
netman.
Edward
On 21/12/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Hi Aitor,
>
> I am have already a
Rowland Penny wrote:
>I am beginning to think this may be aimed squarely at me, if so, then
>come out and say so. I think Mitt may have taken exception to the word 'moron'
>[...]
It was addressed to everyone here. You have taken a few chances here
trying to insult John Hughes, John being accus
Hi Aitor,
I am have already applied the patch but I want to edit the patch
description under netman/debian/patches. The patch's name is not a
version number but a two words appended by the date of submission. The
patch's details do not conform with Debian's policy. I am a vim user,
but the dpkg-co
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015, Steve Litt wrote:
> ==
> # John Hughes, prolific newbie "libsystemd0 isn't that bad" troll
I'm just going to pick up from your call Steve, thanks, and ban this
subject from the mailinglist: not for being systemd
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 07:54:21AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 22/12/15 03:59, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
> >> deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
> >> deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
> >>
>
On 22/12/15 03:59, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
>> deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
>> deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
>>
>> Yet there isone package that can't be upgraded currently, upower,
>> it
On 21/12/15 14:30, Mitt Green wrote:
I've been talking a lot about courtesy in the community.
It is certainly the biggest thing Debian lacks (and
some mates from outside lack it as well, check my post here:
http://www.linux.org/threads/random-thoughts-on-linux-and-open-source-movement.7452/)
I m
Cmon everyone, quit dancing to the troll's tune. You know what he is,
you know he wants to make this list more like debian-user, and if you
look at the past 4 days' archives, you see he's had some success, to
the point where we're arguing about swearwords, although in normal
operation Dng has no sw
Thank you for the information. I'll duplicate a couple of virtuals, do
the upgrade and see what happens.
Again, thank you for the information.
On 12/21/2015 08:12 AM, Linux O'Beardly wrote:
> Rod,
>
> While many here would probably say it's not a good idea to run servers
> on Devuan until a pr
Good evening,
2015-12-21 18:49 GMT+01:00, Mitt Green :
> Linus, Lennart, Theo de Raadt, they are all
> criticised for using inappropriate language.
> Debian is also blamed for lacking a little discipline
> in the public mailing lists.
Probably is the common, clickbait-polluted, sense.
*I* blame t
On 21/12/2015 16:30, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
> "I despise it when people don't behave according to established norms of
> my cultural background" isn't really any better ...
Isn't it? I'll rise to that lure, even though it adds to a rather dull
apres-troll debate.
I assert that it'
Rainer ,
You miss my point. I am trying to deliver
the message that it is in my opinion
unacceptable for people to use oath and insults in
public. Doesn't matter in a pub, in a shop,
in a mailing list, in a class, in a street, whatever.
It can be acceptable in gangsta rap, in rednecks
societies
You sound more and more like a troll.
John Hughes writes:
Having a few files and directories on your disk is a major
problem? systemd is not running if you're using systemd-shim, it
just needs the systemd directories
This is a classic fallacy. But each new file in /etc is one more file to
lo
Mitt Green writes:
>>As additional clarification: I didn't mean to suggest that Mitt Green
>
>>was seriously contemplating to get his battle axe ready to chop somone's
>>foul head off because of "use of four letter words in public", just
>>highlight that one should be very careful wrt reading '[ir
Hi Edward,
On 21/12/15 14:16, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Hi Rainer and many thanks for your help,
In line with the quote above, what else should NOT be included in my
upload (git push) to git.devuan.org?
The list follows here:
edbarx@edbarx-pc:~/netman_from_backup_08.12.2015$ git status
On branc
>As additional clarification: I didn't mean to suggest that Mitt Green
>was seriously contemplating to get his battle axe ready to chop somone's
>foul head off because of "use of four letter words in public", just
>highlight that one should be very careful wrt reading '[irrational]
>aggression' i
Linux O'Beardly wrote:
> While many here would probably say it's not a good idea to run servers on
> Devuan until a production release, I am already running it on a number of
> servers.
That's good to know - I need to find time to do some testing myself.
> R. W. Rodolico wrote:
> BTW, while
John Hughes wrote:
> Yes, the impression I get around here is that this is a religious argument
> for most of you.
>
> I had hopes for Devuan, but the lack of rational thinking convinces me that
> it's going nowhere.
There's no lack of rational thinking.
People here don't want to run SystemD,
On Monday Adam Borowski wrote:
>libupower-glib1 comes from upower sources, that's okay. Changing the soname
>to that of upower 0.99 would lead to breakage, I'm using upower 0.9.23 which
>is the last version before suspend/hibernate/etc functionality was removed.
Then it's fine, thank you.
M
Rainer Weikusat writes:
> Mitt Green writes:
>> I've been talking a lot about courtesy in the community.
>> It is certainly the biggest thing Debian lacks (and
>> some mates from outside lack it as well, check my post here:
>> http://www.linux.org/threads/random-thoughts-on-linux-and-open-source-
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 03:14:23PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
> On Monday Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> >Fixed.
>
> Now it depends on libupower-glib1, which is obsolete. There is
> libupower-glib3 in Unstable.
libupower-glib1 comes from upower sources, that's okay. Changing the soname
to that of upow
Mitt Green writes:
> I've been talking a lot about courtesy in the community.
> It is certainly the biggest thing Debian lacks (and
> some mates from outside lack it as well, check my post here:
> http://www.linux.org/threads/random-thoughts-on-linux-and-open-source-movement.7452/)
>
> I must admi
On Monday Adam Borowski wrote:
>Fixed.
Now it depends on libupower-glib1, which is obsolete. There is
libupower-glib3 in Unstable.
Mitt
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 02:40:08PM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
> >>No, you don't. You do have to have systemd installed, [ see below for
> >>why ], but systemd does not have to be pid 1.
> >
> >OK, systemd doesn't have to be pid1, but by your admission, you still have
> >to have it installed *even*
John Hughes writes:
> On 20/12/15 19:01, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> John Hughes writes:
>>> On 19/12/15 11:58, dev1fanboy wrote:
Gnome
If you need more: apt-cache rdepends libsystemd0 | wc -l
>>> We're going round in circles. *I* posted that command:
>>>
>>> https://lists.dyne.org/
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
> deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
> deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
>
> Yet there isone package that can't be upgraded currently, upower,
> it requires libplist2 but there is libplist3 in U
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 03:07:14PM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
[cut]
>
> I had hopes for Devuan, but the lack of rational thinking convinces
> me that it's going nowhere.
>
> Bye.
>
OK, bye now. And please everybody, just stop to answer to those
emails.
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I've been talking a lot about courtesy in the community.
It is certainly the biggest thing Debian lacks (and
some mates from outside lack it as well, check my post here:
http://www.linux.org/threads/random-thoughts-on-linux-and-open-source-movement.7452/)
I must admit that I *hate* when people use
Rod,
While many here would probably say it's not a good idea to run servers on
Devuan until a production release, I am already running it on a number of
servers. I have a NAS, a CS 1.6 gaming server, and a couple of application
servers all running Devuan without issue. Additionally, I'm running
On 21/12/15 14:51, Rowland Penny wrote:
Exactly you moron.
Our friendly community.
Now I have said this before but you seem to be hard of hearing, so *GO
AWAY, YOU ARE PREACHING TO THE CONVERTED HERE!*
Yes, the impression I get around here is that this is a religious
argument for most
dev1fanboy wrote:
>True the apt pinning is broke there, and libsystemd0 may not be avoidable with
>libpulse0 now depending on it.
libpulse0 is available in those repos as well.
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On 21/12/15 13:40, John Hughes wrote:
On 21/12/15 12:41, Rowland Penny wrote:
On 21/12/15 11:06, John Hughes wrote:
On 21/12/15 11:52, Rowland Penny wrote:
On 21/12/15 10:03, John Hughes wrote:
What I'm looking for is choice -- I want people who want systemd
to be able to run it, and peopl
On 21/12/15 12:41, Rowland Penny wrote:
On 21/12/15 11:06, John Hughes wrote:
On 21/12/15 11:52, Rowland Penny wrote:
On 21/12/15 10:03, John Hughes wrote:
What I'm looking for is choice -- I want people who want systemd to
be able to run it, and people who dont want it to be able to use
s
Thanks, that's all fixed now and the layout looks correct :)
On Monday, December 21, 2015 12:45 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:51:07 -
> "dev1fanboy" wrote:
>
>> Aha, yeah I can see there's something going on with it now that I've
>> checked.
>>
>> Could you send the fi
True the apt pinning is broke there, and libsystemd0 may not be avoidable with
libpulse0 now depending on it.
On my list of things to do, so that users can seemlessly upgrade to Ceres or
Testing without it breaking.
I'll mention the angband repos and the upower issue too, thanks :)
On Monday
Hi,
You have mentioned pinning libsystemd0 for Ceres in Wiki
(https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Ceres-without-Systemd)
but as I have written it does no longer work.
There is no way to prevent this package from installing,
one has to use these repositories:
deb http:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:51:07 -
"dev1fanboy" wrote:
> Aha, yeah I can see there's something going on with it now that I've
> checked.
>
> Could you send the file in an attachment again?
Here's the file. The change suggested in my other mail is already
implemented (and two more details chang
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:42:02 +0100
Florian Zieboll wrote:
> german translation
Hallo Fanboy,
something else: When you edit the encoding, in the first paragraph you
should perhaps replace the string
"dass der 'stable'-Ableger mit – wenn überhaupt – nur wenigen Problemen
läuft"
with
"dass de
On 18/12/2015, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> [...]
>> debian/files
>> debian/netman-backend.debhelper.log
>> debian/netman-backend.substvars
>> debian/netman-backend/
>> debian/netman-gui.debhelper.log
>> debian/netman-gui.substvars
>> debian/netman-gui/
>
> The file
If anyone can improve upon the Italian or German translations, please feel free
to post in this thread to discuss it with other translators :)
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Aha, yeah I can see there's something going on with it now that I've checked.
Could you send the file in an attachment again?
On Monday, December 21, 2015 11:42 AM, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:33:51 -
> "dev1fanboy" wrote:
>
>> I enabled the issue tracker on the wiki s
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:33:51 -
"dev1fanboy" wrote:
> I enabled the issue tracker on the wiki so if anyone has problems (or
> suggestions) with the docs they can add it there if they like.
>
> https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home
Hallo Fanboy,
somehow the ch
On 21/12/15 11:06, John Hughes wrote:
On 21/12/15 11:52, Rowland Penny wrote:
On 21/12/15 10:03, John Hughes wrote:
What I'm looking for is choice -- I want people who want systemd to
be able to run it, and people who dont want it to be able to use
sysvinit, openrc or upstart or whatever.
Am Montag, 21. Dezember 2015 schrieb John Hughes:
> On 21/12/15 11:52, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On 21/12/15 10:03, John Hughes wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> What I'm looking for is choice -- I want people who want systemd to
> >> be able to run it, and people who dont want it to be able to use
> >> sysvi
Le 21/12/2015 11:03, John Hughes a écrit :
What I'm looking for is choice -- I want people who want systemd to be
able to run it, and people who dont want it to be able to use
sysvinit, openrc or upstart or whatever.
Please stop this. This question has been answered a million times
alread
On 12/21/2015 11:03 AM, John Hughes wrote:
At the moment things are all fucked up because there is no long term
alternative to the seat management part of systemd and few people seem
prepared to work on it.
Utterly false claim...systemd is responsible for broken things.
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1) TRIOS
[d
On 21/12/15 11:52, Rowland Penny wrote:
On 21/12/15 10:03, John Hughes wrote:
What I'm looking for is choice -- I want people who want systemd to
be able to run it, and people who dont want it to be able to use
sysvinit, openrc or upstart or whatever. At the moment things are
all fucked up
On 21/12/15 10:03, John Hughes wrote:
On 20/12/15 19:01, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
John Hughes writes:
On 19/12/15 11:58, dev1fanboy wrote:
Gnome
If you need more: apt-cache rdepends libsystemd0 | wc -l
We're going round in circles. *I* posted that command:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mess
On 20/12/15 19:01, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
John Hughes writes:
On 19/12/15 11:58, dev1fanboy wrote:
Gnome
If you need more: apt-cache rdepends libsystemd0 | wc -l
We're going round in circles. *I* posted that command:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20151218.143549.77d859b4.en.html
B
On 20/12/15 13:20, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 12:21:11PM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
On 20/12/15 11:18, Adam Borowski wrote:
Package: libpam-systemd
[...]
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.17), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libselinux1 (>= 1.32),
systemd (= 228-2), libpam-runtime (>= 1.0.1-6), d
> On 20/12/2015, aitor_czr wrote:
> Hi Rainer,
>
> On 12/20/2015 07:01 PM, Rainer Weikusat
> wrote:
>
>> Using copy'n'paste to save the content of the not-reformatted mail to a
>> text file is sufficient to create a 'working' patch-file for me.
> Here is is the patch:
>
> http://gnuinos.org/netma
Hi All,
These last few days I couldn't work on netman as I have a painful
bacterial upper jaw infection. I couldn't concentrate on the project
with all that pain. This is my third day taking antibiotics.
Nevertheless, I tried Rainer's patch. Git is saying it is incompatible
with my sources. I wil
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