Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-10 Thread Aoife Moloney
Ok, round two! https://fedoraproject.limequery.com/142117?lang=en :) The AI survey is live again, it will require you to re-fill it out unfortunately as the previous data couldn't be saved, and it would be a bit useless anyway as the ranking question has now been replaced with what I hope is a bet

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Aoife Moloney
Thank you all for the feedback, I hear what you're saying and the best thing to do is to either scrap this initial survey and launch an updated one that reflects people's preferences to not have AI in certain parts of the project, or edit the ranking question to do this and make it more explicit on

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Aaron Rainbolt
On 7/2/24 04:59, Aoife Moloney wrote: > I guess how the question is phrased 'where do you feel like AI/ML has the > best fit in Fedora' assumes the responder will choose where they feel it > works best as top choice, and least-best (terrible English :) ) as last, so > reviewers of the survey would

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 11:53:22AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 09:17:55AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > I can't see how this helps understand the Fedora contributor's preferences > > about the use of AI, when the survey is restricting the possible answers > > to "y

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 09:17:55AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > I can't see how this helps understand the Fedora contributor's preferences > about the use of AI, when the survey is restricting the possible answers > to "yes", "definitely yes", "very much yes". I would question the validity >

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 11:09:15AM +0100, Luis Correia wrote: > I get that all conversations about AI/ML are controversial (at best) > > But I have just realised that there's even another, and worst, point of > view: > you can say that Fedora Council has already decided on using AI/ML going > forw

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Luis Correia
I get that all conversations about AI/ML are controversial (at best) But I have just realised that there's even another, and worst, point of view: you can say that Fedora Council has already decided on using AI/ML going forward and only wants to know where implementing priorities will go... Hope

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Aoife Moloney
*a terrible time with that question in particular (Sorry, autocorrected and I didn't spot it before hitting send) Aoife Moloney Fedora Operations Architect On Tue, Jul 2, 2024, 10:59 AM Aoife Moloney wrote: > I guess how the question is phrased 'where do you feel like AI/ML has the > best fit

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Aoife Moloney
I guess how the question is phrased 'where do you feel like AI/ML has the best fit in Fedora' assumes the responder will choose where they feel it works best as top choice, and least-best (terrible English :) ) as last, so reviewers of the survey would likely assume 'oh the option scored lowest, t

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Michael J Gruber
Aoife Moloney venit, vidit, dixit 2024-07-01 22:21:37: > I disagree a little on the results to be meaningless just because the tone > or phrasing is positive, particularly with the topic of AI because it is > far too easy to list all the negatives associated with AI, and doing that > doesn't move

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Luis Correia
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 at 09:45, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 4:19 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 08:07:46PM +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote: > > > DJ & Tom - thank you for that clarification on how to interpret your > > > ranking, and I can assure you and ot

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 4:19 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 08:07:46PM +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote: > > DJ & Tom - thank you for that clarification on how to interpret your > > ranking, and I can assure you and other folks who feel similar about > > answering that question

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-02 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 08:07:46PM +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote: > DJ & Tom - thank you for that clarification on how to interpret your > ranking, and I can assure you and other folks who feel similar about > answering that question that that is indeed the way we will be analysing > the results - top

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-01 Thread Carlos Rodriguez-Fernandez
I found myself too in that situation, where I was forced to rank things that I don't consider suitable at all. For example, my first and second choice, I do mean it, ... my 3rd, not at all, however, it will count to the result as a "3rd" choice, artificially. I went ahead and clarified my choi

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-01 Thread Aoife Moloney
I disagree a little on the results to be meaningless just because the tone or phrasing is positive, particularly with the topic of AI because it is far too easy to list all the negatives associated with AI, and doing that doesn't move the conversation forward. Structuring that question in this ran

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-01 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 01/07/2024 20:07, Aoife Moloney wrote: I would also like to add that we deliberately took a positive tone for this survey as it is far too easy to find (many) negatives for AI (and for good reason!), and we wanted to try to look at the benefits we could get from AI instead if applied proper

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-01 Thread Aoife Moloney
DJ & Tom - thank you for that clarification on how to interpret your ranking, and I can assure you and other folks who feel similar about answering that question that that is indeed the way we will be analysing the results - top ranked being best fit, 5th or last ranked being least or worst fit. Al

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-01 Thread DJ Delorie
I found the last question disappointing - it required me to rank five options as to how well they fit in Fedora, without letting my say how well I think each of them fit in Fedora. There was no way to say "Doesn't fit" although I would have preferred they all be marked that way. Consider my answ

Re: Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-01 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
Survey: Please select at most 5 answers User: Selects 2 answers Survey: Please rank all items User: Remembers why they hate surveys and gives up To be clear as there are only two items where I think there is any chance of AI being useful I am unable to rank the others. Tom On 01/07/2024 18:33,

Fedora & AI Survey Now Live Until July 16th

2024-07-01 Thread Aoife Moloney
Hi folks, Thank you for contributing to our discussion on what kinds of questions are useful for us to ask our community on the subject of AI in the Fedora ecosystem [1]. We've created a short survey [2] based on the questions that were proposed that we feel are general enough for everyone to feel