I get that all conversations about AI/ML are controversial (at best) But I have just realised that there's even another, and worst, point of view: you can say that Fedora Council has already decided on using AI/ML going forward and only wants to know where implementing priorities will go...
Hope this isn't the case! p.s. I won't be filling the survey as I can't proceed in good conscience and will be happy for a new revision without "positive only" choices Best, Luís On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 at 11:01, Aoife Moloney <amolo...@redhat.com> wrote: > *a terrible time with that question in particular > > (Sorry, autocorrected and I didn't spot it before hitting send) > > Aoife Moloney > Fedora Operations Architect > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2024, 10:59 AM Aoife Moloney <amolo...@redhat.com> wrote: > >> I guess how the question is phrased 'where do you feel like AI/ML has the >> best fit in Fedora' assumes the responder will choose where they feel it >> works best as top choice, and least-best (terrible English :) ) as last, so >> reviewers of the survey would likely assume 'oh the <something> option >> scored lowest, that means people really don't see AI/ML as suiting that use >> case so we shouldn't focus any energy on this option'. >> >> Like I said, it really is great feedback because the tone of the >> question, while deliberately trying to be positive because this is such a >> controversial topic in and of itself, didn't raise this issue of needing a >> 'doesn't fit at all' option when the survey questions were reviewed before >> going live, and that's something we can take forward for the contributors >> survey too for question structuring. >> >> >> >> The only reluctance I have on scrapping this survey and changing that >> question and then relaunching is that I don't want it to be spammy, because >> I'm sure a lot of folks have already completed the current one and there's >> still the contributor survey too to be launched, but if folks are having a >> terrible that with that question I'm particular, then I will and hope you >> give me another few mins of your day again to fill it back out :) >> >> >> >> Aoife Moloney >> Fedora Operations Architect >> >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024, 10:03 AM Luis Correia <luis.f.corr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 at 09:45, Neal Gompa <ngomp...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 4:19 AM Daniel P. Berrangé <berra...@redhat.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 08:07:46PM +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote: >>>> > > DJ & Tom - thank you for that clarification on how to interpret your >>>> > > ranking, and I can assure you and other folks who feel similar about >>>> > > answering that question that that is indeed the way we will be >>>> analysing >>>> > > the results - top ranked being best fit, 5th or last ranked being >>>> least or >>>> > > worst fit. Also for anyone who has yet to complete the survey, the >>>> last >>>> > > question is an optional, free format answer so I would suggest >>>> using that >>>> > > to expand on reasons why you ranked certain areas #1, #2 etc for >>>> what >>>> > > problems you see AI addressing in those parts of the project. >>>> > > >>>> > > I would also like to add that we deliberately took a positive tone >>>> for this >>>> > > survey as it is far too easy to find (many) negatives for AI (and >>>> for good >>>> > > reason!), and we wanted to try to look at the benefits we could get >>>> from AI >>>> > > instead if applied properly and wit the best interest of Fedora >>>> driving the >>>> > > use of AI in parts of the projects ecosystem. >>>> > > >>>> > > This survey is just trying to understand the preferences and wants >>>> of the >>>> > > Fedora community when it comes to AI, and not a guarantee that the >>>> project >>>> > > will be introducing AI in all of the mentioned areas. >>>> > >>>> > I can't see how this helps understand the Fedora contributor's >>>> preferences >>>> > about the use of AI, when the survey is restricting the possible >>>> answers >>>> > to "yes", "definitely yes", "very much yes". I would question the >>>> validity >>>> > of any actions taken / priorities set in Fedora based on results of >>>> this >>>> > survey. >>>> > >>>> >>>> Indeed. This creates a skewed dataset because the questions you've >>>> asked essentially prevent a set of responses from being captured. The >>>> two choices people have are: pick the least worst option or just don't >>>> participate in the survey. Neither of which are good things. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Continuing with a small comment: >>> >>> this looks like one of those Human Resources surveys where they only >>> want to know if their performance is: >>> . good >>> . great >>> . outstanding >>> >>> And as we know, it's actually none of those >>> >>> >>> Luís >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> Fedora Code of Conduct: >>> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >>> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >>> List Archives: >>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> Do not reply to spam, report it: >>> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue >>> >> -- > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue >
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