On 2024-07-20, hlyg wrote:
> i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows
no doubt :)
> according to some statistics linux has only 4% desktop market, 73% for MS, 15%
> for MacOS
Linux is not on the market. I buy M$ but download debian. How can you say
how many people is using debian? Once u
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 06:44, Van Snyder wrote:
> On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 05:54 +, David wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 04:56, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > I'm trying to run a 32-bit static executable on 64-bit Debian 12.5
> > > "bookworm."
> > >
> > > When I launch it, I get
> > >
> > > ./Linu
Hi,
Van Snyder wrote:
> And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable wants to
> load a shared object library.
I doubt that it is possible to make a purely statical binary with no
references to .any so libraries.
(If it were generally possible, why then exist Flatpack and Snap
Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable
recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who
develop more apps, which attract more users. e.g. many vpn providers
support Windows and android, not linux.
linux can get distributed by word-of-mouth if it i
On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 09:31 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Van Snyder wrote:
> > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable
> > wants to
> > load a shared object library.
>
> I doubt that it is possible to make a purely statical binary with no
> references to .any so
hlyg (12024-07-20):
> Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable
> recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who
> develop more apps,
The programmers who are attracted by market share are not necessarily
the ones who are interested in developing qualit
Hi,
Van Snyder wrote:
> Am I losing my mind?
Since this could mean a fatal end to the endeavor to run your program
we should postpone this hypothesis until nearly everything else is
outruled.
> At first I had done "file LinuxSusser". It reported "Statically linked."
> Just to be sure, I did the
On 20 Jul 2024 10:28 +0200, from geo...@nsup.org (Nicolas George):
>> Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable
>> recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who
>> develop more apps,
>
> The programmers who are attracted by market share are not necess
On 20/7/24 16:56, Michael Kjörling wrote:
On 20 Jul 2024 10:28 +0200, fromgeo...@nsup.org (Nicolas George):
Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable
recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who
develop more apps,
The programmers who are attra
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On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 02:29:15AM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote:
> installing w4sp-lab and wireshark there are many errors and I can't install
> it..
Querido Aleix,
Que estas haciendo aqui? Has escrito muchas v
On 7/20/24 15:02, Michel Verdier wrote:
Linux is not on the market. I buy M$ but download debian. How can you say
how many people is using debian? Once upon a time there was a
linuxcounter...
Thank tomas, Verdier and George!
statistics about market share might come from web servers and game
On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 13:54 hlyg wrote:
> crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens
The CrowdStrike issue was not a Windows issue, it was a CrowdStrike
issue.
The problem did not affect our Windows computers as we have not
installed CrowdStrike software.
I think the
Well said, Michael.
On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 20:19 Michael Grant wrote:
> My opinions only...
>
> 1) MS Office (Word/Excel/PPT/etc) has never been available for
> Unix/Gnu-Linux. Word and Excel have long been 2 apps users require.
> Not OpenOffice. While OpenOffice is quite featureful, it
Am 20.07.2024 um 05:54 schrieb hlyg:
> why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of development?
I want to kickoff by reminding, that WHY questions are rarely useful, it
is what small kidz are asking, when they want to learn, how to argue
with adults. ;-)
But approaching the topic
On 20 Jul 2024 17:25 +0800, from jeremy.ard...@gmail.com (jeremy ardley):
>> A lot of paid-for programmer time isn't necessarily for what the
>> individual programmer_wants_ to do. If one's employer dictates that
>> their products should support Mac OS and Windows, for example, then
>> there's usu
On 20 Jul 2024 16:57 +0800, from hlyg2...@outlook.com (hlyg):
> statistics about market share might come from web servers and game servers,
> they know how many users use linux and Windows.
No. They at most can know what platform user agents report.
Which isn't necessarily the same thing at all.
On 2024-07-20, Michael Grant wrote:
> OpenOffice is quite featureful, it is not 100% bug for bug compatible with
> real MS Office products.
I failed to read an old version word file on a newer word. And succeed
with libreoffice. So yes it's not 100% bug compatible :)
> choices. There is no clea
On 2024-07-20, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> On 20 Jul 2024 16:57 +0800, from hlyg2...@outlook.com (hlyg):
>> statistics about market share might come from web servers and game servers,
>> they know how many users use linux and Windows.
>
> No. They at most can know what platform user agents report.
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 5:50 AM Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>
> Van Snyder wrote:
> > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable wants to
> > load a shared object library.
>
> I doubt that it is possible to make a purely statical binary with no
> references to .any so libraries.
>
My reason to keep windows is that I can’t play Starcraft under Linux.
--
Jeff Pang
jeffp...@aol.com
On 20/7/24 18:35, George at Clug wrote:
On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 13:54 hlyg wrote:
> crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens
The CrowdStrike issue was not a Windows issue, it was a CrowdStrike issue.
The problem did not affect our Windows computers as we have no
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 01:15:22 -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
> > Van Snyder wrote:
> > > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable
> > > wants to
> > > load a shared object library.
https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/manpages-dev/dlopen.3.en.html
> Am I losing my mind?
>
>
I’ve never owned a machine running windows in my life.
Hello,
well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share?
Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen? Sure, more
developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all developers will.
Many good developers will not be paid and when the market will rule things,
On 7/20/24 04:28, Nicolas George wrote:
hlyg (12024-07-20):
Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable
recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who
develop more apps,
The programmers who are attracted by market share are not necessarily
the ones w
On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 23:59 Hans wrote:
> Hello,
>
> well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share?
>
> Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen? Sure, more
> developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all developers will.
>
> Many good dev
gene heskett (12024-07-20):
> > If they were, you'd have support for software-defined radio signal
> > processing in FFmpeg, for example.
> Which the current rules for such does not allow, by FCC edicts, only sealed
> FCC approved blobs are allowed to play in the rf field.
> So don't blame the code
On 7/20/24 09:58, Larry Martell wrote:
I’ve never owned a machine running windows in my life.
I've owned one. I needed a lappy I could use with a gps for roadmap, had
the then new XP on it, cleared the disk a week later and put mandrake on
it because XP had no drivers that could run the broadco
Which is not quite correct. As a hamradio (I am one), you are allowed to
develop your very owh rf-devices. Transceivers, measure equipment, whatever
you like.
Many things, we are using today in consumer devices are first developed by
radio amateurs (example shorthand "packet radio", which is da
Hi,
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Then it's almost certainly using dlopen() to load this shared library.
dlopen(3) explains the missing gtk modules which (i assume) are not
reported by ldd. But it does not explain why "file" and ldd now report
something different than they reported a while ago.
Have a
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 12:16 AM wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 02:45:37PM +1000, David wrote:
> > On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 11:54 +0800, hlyg wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of
> > > development?
> >
> > Because people don't have it hammered into the
The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather
than Dvorak:
= The precedent set by the first to market is powerful.
= The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in discernment
and addicted to novelty is deadly.
Add to that extortion and bribes and a compromised leg
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:59:14 +0200
Hans wrote:
> Hello,
>
> well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share?
>
> Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen?
> Sure, more developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all
> developers will.
>
> Many good d
On 7/20/24 09:59, Hans wrote:
Hello,
well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share?
Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen? Sure, more
developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all developers will.
Many good developers will not be paid and when
> You missed one: Linux is virtually a virus-free environment, and a
> large user base would mean many more people running as root, and it
> would become worth the time of malware writers to target Linux. Linux
> would become as virus-ridden as Windows.
>
> It would also become a target for data h
Hi,
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:54:06AM +0800, hlyg wrote:
> crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens
>
> it is evident that many people around still use Windows
>
> i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows
For this specific issue, if Linux were used at the same
I would think linux is better as server OS due to reasons of security,
performance and
Operability etc.
Once aol mail was running on windows. But now aol is merged into yahoo
mail which was originally run on freebsd but now linux mostly.
And the initial hotmail was running on freebsd too IIRC
Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:54:06AM +0800, hlyg wrote:
> > crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens
> >
> > it is evident that many people around still use Windows
> >
> > i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows
>
> For this specif
Hi,
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 09:44:52PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> It seems clear to me that what's needed is a change in the law. At the
> moment here in the UK we have national news services explaining that
> airline passengers won't be able to get compensation because the
> 'even
Andy Smith (12024-07-20):
> And yes here in the UK where we allowed the Post Office to pay
> billions to Fujitsu to develop the Horizon IT system that
> incorrectly accused hundreds of postmasters of fraud, resulting in
> criminal prosecutions and at least one case of suicide.
That was not a bug,
Greetings,
I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users to run a
specific binary that needs to execute a ioctl which is not possible for normal
users.
in comes pam+libcap.
so I've installed libcap, updated /etc/security/capability.conf with this line:
cap_net_admin @igo
Thank Clug and all that reply !
On 7/20/24 18:36, George at Clug wrote:
Do you think Windows is not reliable? Why is that?
Windows used to crash often, i rarely use it now, they say it's more
stable these day
Do you use Linux yourself?
surely i use as this is debian user list
Have you tried
On 2024-07-20 at 09:19, jeremy ardley wrote:
> On 20/7/24 18:35, George at Clug wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 13:54 hlyg wrote:
>>
>>> crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue
>>> screens
>>
>> The CrowdStrike issue was not a Windows issue, it was a CrowdStrike
>> iss
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 2:09 PM Joe wrote:
>
> You missed one: Linux is virtually a virus-free environment, and a
> large user base would mean many more people running as root, and it
> would become worth the time of malware writers to target Linux. Linux
> would become as virus-ridden as Windows.
On Sunday, 21-07-2024 at 08:38 The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2024-07-20 at 09:19, jeremy ardley wrote:
>
> > On 20/7/24 18:35, George at Clug wrote:
> >
> >> On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 13:54 hlyg wrote:
> >>
> >>> crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue
> >>> screens
> >>
> >>
On 7/20/24 16:45, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
Andy Smith wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:54:06AM +0800, hlyg wrote:
crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens
it is evident that many people around still use Windows
i wonder if linux is more reliable than
On 21/7/24 06:38, The Wanderer wrote:
The first would be poor institutional practice; the others would be
potentially-questionable software design, although it's hard to know
without seeing the internal architecture of the software in question and
understanding*why* it's designed that way.
I
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:57 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 01:15:22 -0700, Van Snyder wrote:
> > > Van Snyder wrote:
> > > > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable
> > > > wants to
> > > > load a shared object library.
>
> https://manpages.debian.org/bo
On 21/7/24 07:28, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
Again lacking data center experience? Every server in your data center
that is outward-facing will be contacted by intruders on its open ports.
That includes your Debian servers. If your apache server or application
server running on Debian is vulne
On Sunday, 21-07-2024 at 07:57 daggs wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users
to run a specific binary that needs to execute a ioctl which is not
possible for normal users.
> in comes pam+libcap.
> so I've installed libcap, updated /etc/security/c
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 9:46 PM The Wanderer wrote:
>
> On 2024-07-20 at 09:19, jeremy ardley wrote:
>
> > On 20/7/24 18:35, George at Clug wrote:
> > [...]
> > The problem was not CrowdStrike as such. It happens in the best of
> > operations.
> >
> > The problem is the Windows Systems Administrat
On 21/7/24 10:07, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
All this points to an incompetent board. If someone's head is going to
be taken (figuratively), then it should start with the CEO and other
executives.
Yes.
But, the people who should be sacked, with loss of benefits, are the
board members and the CE
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 10:28:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> Crowdstrike did not strike at Linux or BSD UNIX systems - only MS Windows
> systems.
Except that time just a few months ago when it *did* happen to
Crowdstrike+Linux?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41005936
Nothing in t
daggs writes:
> Greetings,
>
> I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users to run a
> specific binary that needs to execute a ioctl which is not possible for
> normal users.
> in comes pam+libcap.
> so I've installed libcap, updated /etc/security/capability.conf with thi
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 03:27:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
[...]
> And even you Hans, leave out the major, all encompassing, reason for the
> lack of market share, which is that most business that have a computerized
> system to run things also value what their MBA says. And since there is no
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 08:46:24AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote:
> A plug for SELinux. It's been around for a long time. It was invented by the
> NSA for use by Government agencies but they kindly open sourced it and it's
> available on many Distros including Debian.
>
> SELinux is a real pain to g
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 08:17:54AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote:
> The CrowdStrike outage emulated the very thing it is alleged to protect
> against - a zero day exploit.
It was also a demonstration of a huge vulnerability. If $EvilActor were to get
an agent employed at CrowdStrike/whoever then the
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 2:15 AM Andy Smith wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 10:28:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> > Crowdstrike did not strike at Linux or BSD UNIX systems - only MS Windows
> > systems.
>
> Except that time just a few months ago when it *did* happen to
> Crowdstrike+Linux?
>
>
This is in a way a continuation of my recently "purely local DNS" thread.
To recap: my objective is to send emails to a single domain with both
DNS and any other email traffic being disabled.
A simple working solution that I've found for Postfix is:
/etc/hosts
1.2.3.4example.com
/etc/pos
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