Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
songbird wrote: > often you can get quite a bit of space from the > package cache. > but his var is on dedicated partition

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > Just one of the reasons I have 5 boxes here running wheezy yet, one > running jessie. But its an armhf, an r-pi 3b TBE, and it is also behind > dd-wrt.  Perhaps I should watch the dd-wrt logs to see if Ivan has come > calling but no one answered the doorbell? :) I bought 200

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:47:26PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2019-01-03 15:39 (UTC-0500): > > > root@AbNormal:/home/comp# df -hl > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > ... > > /dev/sda123G 23G 0 100% / > > As others have noted,

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 02:47:52AM +, Matthew Crews wrote: > My guess? /home is on the same partition as /, which is a common setup > for most end users. Running lsblk is one way to tell if this is the case. >From one of Stephen's earlier emails: root@AbNormal:/home/comp# df -hl Files

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Frank Weißer
Hi Stephen, Stephen P. Molnar: On 01/03/2019 02:42 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:30:49PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.* drwxr-xr-x  26 root root   4096 Dec 19 13:17 / drwxr-xr-x 134 root root  12288 Jan  3 09:43 /etc -r

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Felix Miata
Andy Smith composed on 2019-01-04 08:57 (UTC): > Several people have now suggested saving space in a bits of the > filesystem that Stephen has on dedicated partitions, so this is not > helpful. > This partitioning scheme seems really odd and unwieldy. Indeed. Considering the absence of a sysad

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:42:10PM -0600, David Wright wrote: But what a disappointment that you didn't get simple tags and raw data. Yes, indeed it seems these particular printers will *always* give you JPEG, what changes is the wrapper. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jm

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 08:59:50PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 03/01/2019 à 11:35, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : You then write a MBR-type filesystem Nonsense. You mean a partition table or disk label. Thank you yes, that was a typo ("Nonsense" is a bit harsh) That said the documentation

odd resolver issue

2019-01-04 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. Two systems on same LAN, let's call them A and B, with domain "localdomain". Identical /etc/resolv.conf (generated by NetworkManager), including a "search localdomain" line. Identical /etc/hosts with only localhost aliases in it. From A: ping shortnameB (OK) ping shortnameB.localdomain (O

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Nicolas George
deloptes (2019-01-04): > Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic. And I have not suggested that Roberto become a kernel hacker. I hope you noticed. > To > operate a PC means you know how to po

Re: odd resolver issue

2019-01-04 Thread john doe
On 1/4/2019 11:07 AM, Andrea Borgia wrote: > Hi. > > > Two systems on same LAN, let's call them A and B, with domain > "localdomain". > Identical /etc/resolv.conf (generated by NetworkManager), including a > "search localdomain" line. > Identical /etc/hosts with only localhost aliases in it. > >

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Nicolas George
Felix Miata (2019-01-03): > As others have noted, this is your root if not entire problem. There is still the very worrying problem that ldconfig reported "ENOENT 2 No such file or directory" instead of "ENOSPC 28 No space left on device". This is a bug, it should be reported. Regards, -- Nic

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 08:57:18 +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 02:47:52AM +, Matthew Crews wrote: > > My guess? /home is on the same partition as /, which is a common setup > > for most end users. Running lsblk is one way to tell if this is the case. > > >From o

Re: odd resolver issue

2019-01-04 Thread Martin
Am 04.01.19 um 11:07 schrieb Andrea Borgia: > Hi. > > > Two systems on same LAN, let's call them A and B, with domain "localdomain". > Identical /etc/resolv.conf (generated by NetworkManager), including a "search > localdomain" line. Add a 'domain localdomain'. When using dhcp and this option i

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 03:34:31 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Just one of the reasons I have 5 boxes here running wheezy yet, one > > running jessie. But its an armhf, an r-pi 3b TBE, and it is also > > behind dd-wrt.  Perhaps I should watch the dd-wrt logs to see if > > Ivan has co

Re: odd resolver issue

2019-01-04 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 04/01/19 11:47, Martin ha scritto: Add a 'domain localdomain'. To resolv.conf? Let me figure out first how to get N-M to do that, then there's always the question of the different behaviour. When using dhcp and this option is missing, have a look at /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. The fil

Re: odd resolver issue

2019-01-04 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 04/01/19 11:16, john doe ha scritto: Are the dhcp server's options the same for both clients (identical lease)? Assuming OpenWRT isn't doing something fancy behind my back, the config entries look identical: (this is global, so same lease) config dhcp 'lan' option interface 'lan

Re: Debian 9.6 stable sourelist & how long support

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 11:01:40 +0530, Latif Shaikh wrote: > Hi, > > Please provide or validate the debian 9.6 stretch stable sourcelist ( > /etc/apt/sources.list) to install stable packages. > > How long support of Debian 9.6 stretch stable version https://wiki.debian.org/LTS -- Brian.

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 10:42:57AM +, Brian wrote: > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 08:57:18 +, Andy Smith wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 02:47:52AM +, Matthew Crews wrote: > > > My guess? /home is on the same partition as /, which is a common setup > > > for

Bad behaviour with encrypted partitions

2019-01-04 Thread Hans
Hi folks, I am running debian/testing i386 on an EEEPC. I have /home, /var and /usr enrypted with luks. All partitions got the same lng password. This worked fine for years. But now I discovered a strange behaviour, please let me explain: Normally I have to type the password for every par

Re: zenmap as root, starts on one and not the other system

2019-01-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2019 03 Jan 18:30 -0600, Samuel Henrique wrote: > You can try to run gnome with xorg (instead of wayland) as a workaround. My apologies, Samuel. I realized this morning that I am running the desktop in Gnome Classic mode and I see this: $ ps ax | grep X 1815 tty2 Sl+ 250:50 /usr/lib/

Re: odd resolver issue

2019-01-04 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 04/01/19 12:43, Andrea Borgia ha scritto: Il 04/01/19 11:47, Martin ha scritto: Add a 'domain localdomain'. To resolv.conf? Let me figure out first how to get N-M to do that, then there's always the question of the different behaviour. Did a side-by-side comparison of the output of "nmcli

Re: odd resolver issue

2019-01-04 Thread Martin
Am 04.01.19 um 12:43 schrieb Andrea Borgia: > Il 04/01/19 11:47, Martin ha scritto: > > >> Add a 'domain localdomain'. > > To resolv.conf? Yes. > Let me figure out first how to get N-M to do that, then there's always the > question of the different behaviour. > > >> When using dhcp and thi

Re: odd resolver issue

2019-01-04 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 04/01/19 13:19, Martin ha scritto: Because networkmanager knows everything better than anyone else. I hear you, I hear you :P However, in this specific case it turned out that the problem was /etc/nsswitch.conf working) hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns fai

Re: Bad behaviour with encrypted partitions

2019-01-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 12:55:31PM +0100, Hans wrote: > Hi folks, [...] > This behaviour points me, that the password is stored somewhere in the system > and is used again. Bad behaviour!! And if it is stored (maybe in the keyboard > buffer???), will it be erased after boot? Most probably it'

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:16:57AM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > deloptes (2019-01-04): > > Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic. > > And I have not suggested that Roberto become a kernel hacker. I hope you > noticed. > I tried about 15 years ago. It turns out

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Nicolas George
Roberto C. Sánchez (12019-01-04): > That said, like owning an automobile, with a computer sometimes things > break or quit working as expected. The machine then either has to be > repaired or replaced and if the owner cannot handle the job on his or > her own, then somebody else will need to handl

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-03, Andy Smith wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:27:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: >> > > Then ask your sysadmin. >> >> > I have no sysadmin. >> >> Then you are not "only a user", you are a sysadmin, and you are trying >> to be one without acquiring the required knowledge. > > I

Overhead of LVM (Re: Upgrade Problem)

2019-01-04 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, January 04, 2019 03:49:37 AM Andy Smith wrote: > It's unfortunate that LVM was not used as it would make juggling > space between the multiple filesystems a lot easier. Oh well. I guess I should consider using LVM on my next install. Does it incur any overhead during normal disk opera

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > In this case, I hate to sound like > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the reinstall > to a new drive [...] Come on, people. Show some sense. (And yes, this includes the OP.) He simply has a full root file

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 10:42:57AM +, Brian wrote: > 2. Then go through > >dpkg -l | less > >line by line, asking "do I really need that?". I'd not bother with >looking at the library packages. Tedious? Yes, like tidying the boot >of a car. There are some tools that will show

Re: Overhead of LVM (Re: Upgrade Problem)

2019-01-04 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:13:38AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, January 04, 2019 03:49:37 AM Andy Smith wrote: > > It's unfortunate that LVM was not used as it would make juggling > > space between the multiple filesystems a lot easier. Oh well. > > I guess I should c

Re: Scanner not working

2019-01-04 Thread Andrew Wood
On 04/01/2019 00:31, deloptes wrote: Don't have it but quick google told me this could be related to you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/1080787 there is patch down there for 5370 - could be they have same usb ids regards Thanks, yes that does look like i

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-04, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 08:59:50PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: >>Le 03/01/2019 à 11:35, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : >>>You then write a MBR-type filesystem >> >>Nonsense. You mean a partition table or disk label. > > Thank you yes, that was a typo ("Nonsen

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 08:15:11 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > In this case, I hate to sound like > > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the > > reinstall to a new drive [...] > > Come on, people. Show some sense.

Re: Scanner not working

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:28:17 +, Andrew Wood wrote: > On 04/01/2019 00:31, deloptes wrote: > > > Don't have it but quick google told me this could be related to you > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/1080787 > > > > there is patch down there for 5370 - cou

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:44:27AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > My own reinstall to a new, much larger disk, recommendation still stands, > that the OP would be back to a working system where he could remount > that old drive to his new install and recover the data he needs to > continue his pro

Re: Scanner not working

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:28:17 +, Andrew Wood wrote: > On 04/01/2019 00:31, deloptes wrote: > > > Don't have it but quick google told me this could be related to you > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/1080787 > > > > there is patch down there for 5370 - cou

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:44:27AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 08:15:11 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > In this case, I hate to sound like > > > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the >

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:38:09PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: On 01/03/2019 01:27 PM, songbird wrote: apt-get install libc --reinstall root@AbNormal:/home/comp# apt-get install libc --reinstall Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Una

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-04, Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> Dear Ivan, no one said something about systemd, because the topic was >> discussed and closed on the list. >> Not sure about Gene, but I use good old sysv init and for Gods sake, >> no one thinks of running systemd on a firewall (I hope) >> > Just one of th

Re: Debian 9.6 stable sourelist & how long support

2019-01-04 Thread Dan Ritter
Latif Shaikh wrote: > Hi, > > Please provide or validate the debian 9.6 stretch stable sourcelist ( > /etc/apt/sources.list) to install stable packages. > > How long support of Debian 9.6 stretch stable version "Stretch" is the name for all 9.0+ releases; "stable" means that the updates will fi

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
I want to thank those of you who responded to my request for assistance. A number of the replies, particularly those that did not editorialize, where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the simplest remedy for the problems. Let us put this thread to bed and stop wasti

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 04:30:00 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > Andy Smith composed on 2019-01-04 08:57 (UTC): > > Several people have now suggested saving space in a bits of the > > filesystem that Stephen has on dedicated partitions, so this is not > > helpful. > > > This partitioning scheme seems

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 01:36:59PM +, Curt wrote: But how about: -I When using MO disks, where partitions aren't always required, modifies mkfs.fat's default behavior, allowing it to write the filesystem across the entire, unpartitioned device (called 'superfloppy' format under some

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 04:25:30PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 01:36:59PM +, Curt wrote: > >But how about: > > > > -I When using MO disks, where partitions aren't always required, modifies > >mkfs.fat's default behavior, allowing it to write the filesystem acros

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-04, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 01:36:59PM +, Curt wrote: >>But how about: >> >> -I When using MO disks, where partitions aren't always required, modifies >> mkfs.fat's default behavior, allowing it to write the filesystem across >> the >> entire, unp

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread steve
Le vendredi 04 janvier 2019, Stephen P. Molnar a écrit : where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the simplest remedy for the problems. You're welcome. But this last sentence is pretty sad because normally, issues like yours do not require windows-style operation. Fo

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On sex, 04 jan 2019, steve wrote: where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the simplest remedy for the problems. You're welcome. But this last sentence is pretty sad because normally, issues like yours do not require windows-style operation. For your info, I have not

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 08:15:11 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > In this case, I hate to sound like > > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the reinstall > > to a new drive [...] > > Come on, people. Show some

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On sex, 04 jan 2019, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: And in this case, the problem is easy to solve: rm /path/to/some/large/files/* The usual suspects (/var/logs, /var/cache, etc) have already been mentioned, and are in a different partition. One place to investigate is /lib/modules. It can g

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 16:52:45 (+), Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On sex, 04 jan 2019, steve wrote: > > > where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the > > > OS is the simplest remedy for the problems. > > > > You're welcome. But this last sentence is pretty sad because normally

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On sex, 04 jan 2019, David Wright wrote: On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 16:52:45 (+), Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: And in this case, the problem is easy to solve: rm /path/to/some/large/files/* Wrong again. The free space on /home is sufficient to hold 10 copies of the entire / filesystem. And you

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 05:47:07PM +0100, steve wrote: > Le vendredi 04 janvier 2019, Stephen P. Molnar a écrit : > > > > where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the > > simplest remedy for the problems. > > You're welcome. But this last sentence is pretty sad because

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 22:56:22 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 9:23 PM David Wright wrote: > > > > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 14:44:14 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > > > I'm intrigued; I hadn't realised that conversion of the scanned image > > > for some vendors' devices took

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > what does MO stand for? to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > I'd guess "magneto-optical". It would match the term "superfloppy" in man mkdosfs. (Larger, more heavy, even less reliable than floppy disks.) Possibly some of the MO genes survived in DVD-RAM. E.g. the glossy rec

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Nicolas George wrote: > Exactly. And the kind of payment that is expected from you for help on > this mailing-list is not pecuniary, of course. It is that you do not > just consume the answers given to you but instead try to increase your > knowledge and understanding so that maybe one day you wou

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
On 01/04/2019 12:13 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 05:47:07PM +0100, steve wrote: Le vendredi 04 janvier 2019, Stephen P. Molnar a écrit : where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the simplest remedy for the problems. You're welcome. But th

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Thu 03/Jan/2019 18:53:14 +0100 Miles Fidelman wrote: > [...] > And then there was all the bullshit about how systemd was handled - > including resignations of core developers over it. Given the current cooperation between Devuan and Debian maintainers on init-diversity, I'd say that issue is f

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Felix Miata
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2019-01-04 12:57 (UTC-0500): > I haven't messed around with partitioning since the early days of > Slackware, and that was with a great deal of trepidation? You just multiplied my curiosity about what exactly was responsible for your current partitioning scheme, n

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 09:57:07 Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-04, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Dear Ivan, no one said something about systemd, because the topic > >> was discussed and closed on the list. > >> Not sure about Gene, but I use good old sysv init and for Gods > >> sake, no one thinks of run

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Greg Wooledge wrote: > All he has to do is find whatever's taking up an unexpected amount of > space in his root file system, and get rid of it.  This is an essential > system management skill that he HAS to learn, which he will continue > to use well beyond the current crisis. > > Reinstalling o

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread songbird
Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I want to thank those of you who responded to my request for assistance. > > A number of the replies, particularly those that did not editorialize, > where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the > simplest remedy for the problems. > > Let us pu

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Nicolas George
deloptes (12019-01-04): > We just pointed out > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer. And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is no way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the user

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Nicolas George
deloptes (12019-01-04): > So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if most of > the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth in the past > years. It really is not, because the resources invested in the old computer are wasted (unless somebody gets it and rec

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 12:26:07 Brian wrote: > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 22:56:22 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 9:23 PM David Wright wrote: > > > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 14:44:14 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > I'm intrigued; I hadn't realised that conversion of the sca

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Felix Miata
David Wright composed on 2019-01-04 10:19 (UTC-0600): > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 04:30:00 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: >>> This partitioning scheme seems really odd and unwieldy. >> Indeed. Considering the absence of a sysadmin, > What's so unusual about that? Standing alone, absolutely nothing,

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for the > life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the pi, its > boot is a separate mess. I'm sure it can be done as I also have a pair > of rock64's running armbian, and I have seen apt install

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:24:39 deloptes wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > All he has to do is find whatever's taking up an unexpected amount > > of space in his root file system, and get rid of it.  This is an > > essential system management skill that he HAS to learn, which he > > will contin

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > We just pointed out > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer. > > And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is >

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > pi, its boot is a separate mess. I'm sure it can be done as I also > > have a

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
On 01/04/2019 01:11 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2019-01-04 12:57 (UTC-0500): I haven't messed around with partitioning since the early days of Slackware, and that was with a great deal of trepidation? You just multiplied my curiosity about what exactly was responsib

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 04/01/2019 à 17:25, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 01:36:59PM +, Curt wrote: But how about:  -I When using MO disks, where partitions aren't always required, modifies     mkfs.fat's default behavior, allowing it to write the filesystem across the     entire, unpartiti

kernel regression from stable to testing (acpi lid / EEEpc 1215p)

2019-01-04 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. On my EEEpc 1215p laptop, the upgrade from stable to testing broke the lid switch detection, since * another OS detects it just fine and acts on it; * the kernel from stable (4.9.0-7) does too Therefore, HW is ok (not obvious on an old laptop...) If I use the current kernel in testing (4

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > Can I trade the pickity nfs link in on an sshfs version? I use that here > as its quite bulletproof. The login without the checksum files might be > a hassle though. I'll certainly look that link over, thank you. I don't know about sshfs - not heard that you can mount root o

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 19:31:05 +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > We just pointed out > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer. > > And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there i

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > > > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > > We just pointed out > > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer. > > > > A

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote: > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > > > > > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > > > We just pointed out > > > > tha

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Brian wrote: > and doesn't contain any embedded or subset fonts not heard that such are required for a jpeg or whatever image format embedded in pdf file

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > >> deloptes (12019-01-04): >> >We just pointed out >> > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer. >> >> And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is >> no way around it. If

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:41:50 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 12:26:07 Brian wrote: > > > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 22:56:22 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 9:23 PM David Wright > wrote: > > > > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 14:44:14 (+), Brian wro

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Brian wrote: > Using the facilities on a computer is what a user does, just like the > simple task of switching on an electric light in a house. > > If by "operating", deloptes means "using", I think I could agree. If > he means change the bulb or mend the fuse or go down to to the local > substa

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 20:35:47 +0100, deloptes wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > and doesn't contain any embedded or subset fonts > > not heard that such are required for a jpeg or whatever image format > embedded in pdf file I reported. I am not pursuing it further. Neither are you, I think. -- Br

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Nicolas George wrote: > It really is not, because the resources invested in the old computer are > wasted (unless somebody gets it and recycles it). It is the same scheme > than in Chaplin's _The Kid_: breaking a window to let a glazier sell a > new one. > > Alas, the idiotic way most people eval

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Alessandro Vesely wrote: > Given the current cooperation between Devuan and Debian maintainers on > init-diversity, I'd say that issue is fully resolved, and I'm reassured > that a distribution like the one I like is going to be available for the > foreseeable future. > > Would you say that messy

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Richard Hector
On 4/01/19 9:49 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > Stephen, I think you're going to have to analyse where the space is > being used. If you use a graphical desktop then there might be a > graphical application that can help with this. On GNOME it's called > Disk Usage Analyzer. On the command line you could t

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:37:36 -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > > > > > > > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > > >

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:09:55PM +, Brian wrote: > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:37:36 -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Ni

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > pi, its boot is a separate mess. I'm sure it can be done as I also > > have a

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:41:33 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2019-01-04 10:19 (UTC-0600): > > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 04:30:00 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > > >>> This partitioning scheme seems really odd and unwieldy. > > >> Indeed. Considering the absence of a sysadm

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Joe
On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 20:46:53 +0100 deloptes wrote: > > I asked why he does not reinstall, but didn't get meaningful answer - > only, I can not do it and it takes too much time. > > One can not argue with educated people, so I gave up. > This is just an example how it works for most of the peop

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > > pi, its

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 17:13:44 (+), Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On sex, 04 jan 2019, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 16:52:45 (+), Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > > > And in this case, the problem is easy to solve: > > > rm /path/to/some/large/files/* > > > > Wrong again. T

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > > pi, its b

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Gene, On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 03:27:11PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > Fore example see "The Boot" here > > https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/39959/raspbian-boot-pr > >ocess-and-the-partition-table > > One HUGE problem with th

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 14:31:10 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Can I trade the pickity nfs link in on an sshfs version? I use that > > here as its quite bulletproof. The login without the checksum files > > might be a hassle though. I'll certainly look that link over, thank > > you.

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:02:27 -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > On 01/04/2019 01:11 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2019-01-04 12:57 (UTC-0500): > > > > > I haven't messed around with partitioning since the early days of > > > Slackware, and that was with a great deal of

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 14:34:59 Brian wrote: > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > > > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > > > We just pointed out > > > > that you do not h

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 15:38:32 Brian wrote: > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But > > > > for the life of me, I can't fi

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 15:57:24 Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Gene, > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 03:27:11PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > > Fore example see "The Boot" here > > > https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/39959/raspbian-boo >

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