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On 3/3/14, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 02/03/14 23:21, disbandtechc...@tfwno.gf wrote:
>> Notice how the fknuts always try to change the tables.
>> "It's YOU who are the shill!"
>
> OMG you're so right (lol)
>
> Not that I want to keep you from your work.
>
In all seriousness, the work of a
On 3/4/14, Arnold Bird wrote:
> Russia is more traditionally minded these days, it looks like from the
> outside.
> USA is flip collar up, damn the consequences, individuals have no meaning
> (collateral damage (aka reckless and willful murder)), fuck the past, kinda
> asshole thinking.
>
> I hope
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From: Celejar
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 09:21:04 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith
likely
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 22:54:33 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 03 mar 14, 11:27
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 22:54:33 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 03 mar 14, 11:27:59, Celejar wrote:
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > >
> > > Depending on RAM size and what you were running at the time you set your
> > > computer to hibernate it may just take longer to resume (i.e. read the
> >
Russia is more traditionally minded these days, it looks like from the outside.
USA is flip collar up, da*n the consequences, individuals have no meaning
(collateral damage (aka reckless and willful murder)), f*k the past, kinda
as*h*le thinking.
I hope russians would not wish to jump into a hole
debian for 13 years and see what has happened
for what it is.
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From: Reco
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Could russians maintain a traditional linux debian? Re: Four
people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely
Date: Mon, 3 Mar
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 11:27:59, Celejar wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > Depending on RAM size and what you were running at the time you set your
> > computer to hibernate it may just take longer to resume (i.e. read the
> > stuff from slow storage) than to cold boot. This may have been solve
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 13:04:07, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 3/3/2014 7:28 AM, Fred Wilson wrote:
> >I really don't see how 10 seconds or a minute more can hurt anyone. If
> >you reboot more often, then it's different. But boot time is minor
> >issue.
>
> My understanding about the fast boot times argument
On 3/3/2014 7:28 AM, Fred Wilson wrote:
I really don't see how 10 seconds or a minute more can hurt anyone. If
you reboot more often, then it's different. But boot time is minor
issue.
My understanding about the fast boot times argument is that it was
driven by Redhat and their work with virt
On 3/3/2014 7:30 AM, Fred Wilson wrote:
Please look at what technical superiority of systemd consists of and
then tell us if an ordinary user needs it. What systemd brings is
something usefull only for companies that has money to pay for high-end
servers, clusters, supercomputers and can get a c
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 07:42:32 -0800
"Arnold Bird" wrote:
> Would it be possible for russia to maintain a classic
> debian linux distribution and let the american and their
> controled european employees to waddle into the morass
> of systemd?
You're putting it wrong way. Everyone knows that in Sov
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:59:06 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 03 mar 14, 10:40:52, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Andrei POPESCU writes:
...
> > > Hibernation has it's own set of problems, especially as RAM sizes go up.
> >
> > I am interested in this issue. Could you tell some more about th
Arnold Bird writes:
> Would it be possible for russia to maintain a classic
> debian linux distribution
It would support the kremvax architecture but have some nietwork
problems
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Andrei POPESCU writes:
> On Lu, 03 mar 14, 14:29:16, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Andrei POPESCU writes:
> >
> > Systemd can help a bit in making a little easier to have tools that
> > satisfy the (not so) basic need "to have this device mounted here if
> > it is plugged, otherwise go ahead
Would it be possible for russia to maintain a classicdebian linux distribution and let the american and theircontroled european employees to waddle into the morassof systemd?Linus is half bought and paied for too, he uses fedora withall the mess. He was asked if he was asked to put in abackdoor int
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 14:29:16, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU writes:
>
> Systemd can help a bit in making a little easier to have tools that
> satisfy the (not so) basic need "to have this device mounted here if
> it is plugged, otherwise go ahead with the bootstrap" for the
> completely
Fred Wilson writes:
> What systemd brings is something usefull only for companies that has
> money to pay for high-end servers, clusters, supercomputers
I mostly disagree with this point of view, since these machine rarely
stop.
There could be some benefit in elastic provision ov VMs and i
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 12:52:40PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
own personal computers my sentiments are similar. However my business
purposes involve meeting SLAs so reboots once or twice a year can cost a
lot of money - so in those circumstances a few minutes makes a lot of
difference. Perhaps
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> > I completely disagree. I had quite a nicely complex storage server
> > with trunking and multipath things on, and it was sane and clean.
>
> Until one looks under the hood :(
With "under the hood" you mean the assembler code?
I did the configuration using the
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 23:53:28 -0600
y...@marupa.net wrote:
> Which probably demonstrates why there's no hidden agenda going on surrounding
> systemd and there were legitimate reasons why it was finally chosen.
Of course there were legitimate reasons, but only those reasons that are
important for
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:53:51 +
Jack wrote:
> On 02/03/2014 05:11, Eric Newcomb wrote:
> > Technical issues aside, I went through the list of members of the
> > tech-ctte, found here: https://www.debian.org/intro/organization. I
> > searched each name on the list on Google, and I can't hones
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 19:30:08 -0600
y...@marupa.net wrote:
> For example, initscripts are so VERY not portable. I am sorry to say this,
> but
> it is true. In theory they should be, as you state, according the UNIX
> Philosophy they should be. But here comes the problem of that philosophy
> ass
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 09:20:44 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> You grow up. Technically inferior stuff always seems to get the money,
> but you get to live in the results of your choices.
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 19:00:40 -0600
y...@marupa.net wrote:
> > > Doesn't make the decision to drop SysV Init, a system
> I want to do number crunching, I don't want to be bothered by the boot
> process. It works. If I have to go make coffee while the boot process
> is happening, I'll go make coffee.
While your invisible guests are doing somthing similar inside your
computer? :D
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100
Scott Ferguson wrote:
> Which is fine for you, and I can understand and appreciate that, for my
> own personal computers my sentiments are similar. However my business
> purposes involve meeting SLAs so reboots once or twice a year can cost a
> lot of money - so
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 9:41 PM, NoTo CTTE
wrote:
> Systemd is over 200,000 lines of ring0 running bullshit.
> Regular inits are under 10k lines of code inclusive.
> Some are 100 lines of code.
>
> Hmm which is easier to find exploits in.
> SystemD.
>
> Notice how the [...]
Just for the record, I
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 10:40:52, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU writes:
> > On Du, 02 mar 14, 18:09:46, ghaverla wrote:
> > >
> > > Systemd seems to have 2 proponents, people interested in fast booting,
> > > and people interested in servers. The intersection of those two groups
> > >
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> On Du, 02 mar 14, 18:09:46, ghaverla wrote:
> >
> > Systemd seems to have 2 proponents, people interested in fast booting,
> > and people interested in servers. The intersection of those two groups
> > is almost the NULL set. I think the answer to faster booting is
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 06:09:46PM -0700, ghaverla wrote:
[BIG snip]
> With Respect To boot times, I would think moving to a specialised shell
> that had no interactive capability (such as Gnu Readline) might be a
> place to start. That the "shell" often had to invoke subshells to do
> things, to
On Du, 02 mar 14, 18:09:46, ghaverla wrote:
>
> Systemd seems to have 2 proponents, people interested in fast booting,
> and people interested in servers. The intersection of those two groups
> is almost the NULL set. I think the answer to faster booting is
> hibernation, and people have been pl
On 03/03/14 17:00, ghaverla wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
>> You *imagine*, not "think" (using reductive logic?). I'm sure your
>> not a bully who forces your ideas onto those that do want fast boot
>> instead of hibernation.
>
> Did you really need to sen
On Du, 02 mar 14, 17:18:39, ghaverla wrote:
> This isn't properly replied to. I am new to Claws, and I have no time
> to figure out gpg signing.
Close enough (i.e. the attributions are right as far as I can tell) ;)
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:56:22 +0200
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > On Sb, 01 m
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100
Scott Ferguson wrote:
> You *imagine*, not "think" (using reductive logic?). I'm sure your
> not a bully who forces your ideas onto those that do want fast boot
> instead of hibernation.
Did you really need to send this? The entire note, not just this
snippet.
On 3/2/2014 20:21, LOwens wrote:
>
> As I understand things, one of the benefits of systemd is a fast boot
> process. As I only boot my computer once per year (or so), this is terribly
> important to me (sarcasm). My computer spends a lot of time doing BOINC.
>
> As I understand things, to spee
On 03/03/14 11:31, ghaverla wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:53:59 +1100
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
>>> I disagree with the binaryness of
>>> systemd.
>>
>> Do you mean the *one* binary in systemd? I'm pretty sure the source
>> is available.
>
> As I understand things, one of the benefits of sy
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From: ghaverla [mailto:ghave...@materialisations.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 4:31 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith
likely
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:53:59 +1100
Scott Ferguson wrote
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 13:05:20 -0600
y...@marupa.net wrote:
> Sure, systemd has its flaws (While I like the journal, there are
> downsides to a binary-based log when your system is screwed up and
> your only resource is a LiveCD. I don't know if there's a way to read
> the journal outside the system
This isn't properly replied to. I am new to Claws, and I have no time
to figure out gpg signing.
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:56:22 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 01 mar 14, 20:03:54, ghaverla wrote:
> >
> > But the fact there are no options is what bothers me.
>
> There are options. Even if C
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:53:59 +1100
Scott Ferguson wrote:
> > I disagree with the binaryness of
> > systemd.
>
> Do you mean the *one* binary in systemd? I'm pretty sure the source
> is available.
As I understand things, one of the benefits of systemd is a fast boot
process. As I only boot m
On 03/03/14 05:28, Doug wrote:
> On 03/02/2014 02:02 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 02/03/14 16:53, y...@marupa.net wrote:
>>> On Sunday, March 02, 2014 04:25:13 PM Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 02/03/14 11:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>>
On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 13:05 -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote:
> While I like the journal, there are downsides to a
> binary-based log when your system is screwed up and your only resource is a
> LiveCD. I don't know if there's a way to read the journal outside the system
> that created it.
$ sudo s
On Sunday, March 02, 2014 01:28:57 PM Doug wrote:
> On 03/02/2014 02:02 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> > On 02/03/14 16:53, y...@marupa.net wrote:
> >> On Sunday, March 02, 2014 04:25:13 PM Scott Ferguson wrote:
> >>> On 02/03/14 11:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Sco
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:27:59 -0500
"Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com" wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Mar 2014 18:26:25 -0700
> ghaverla wrote:
> >
> > I will try Sabyon (sp?). But it looks like it might move to systemd
> > willingly leaving no option. It is based on Gentoo, which I could
> > move to.
>
On Du, 02 mar 14, 13:28:57, Doug wrote:
> On 03/02/2014 02:02 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> >On 02/03/14 16:53, y...@marupa.net wrote:
> >>In a few more years I imagine most people opposed to systemd won't
> >>have a problem with it being there after all after using it for a bit.
> >I'd be very surpr
On 03/02/2014 02:02 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 02/03/14 16:53, y...@marupa.net wrote:
On Sunday, March 02, 2014 04:25:13 PM Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 02/03/14 11:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
Here's mine:-
troll elsewhere - try rabbleRus.org
essage
From: Ralf Mardorf
To: d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Cc: debian-user
Subject: Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad
faith likely
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:41:25 +0100
Mailer: Evolution 3.10.4
A discussion without a flame war about systemd wo
On Sat, 1 Mar 2014 18:26:25 -0700
ghaverla wrote:
>
> I will try Sabyon (sp?). But it looks like it might move to systemd
> willingly leaving no option. It is based on Gentoo, which I could
> move to.
Gord,
I tested Sabayon during my last "distro shootout", and it's *a lot*
different than Deb
On 02/03/14 23:21, disbandtechc...@tfwno.gf wrote:
> Regular inits are under 10k lines of code inclusive.
Um, are you kind of limiting your audience? The vast majority of the
readers of this list are familiar with the internet. Have *you* heard of it?
Did you consider they might check? You know
Systemd is over 200,000 lines of ring0 running bullshit.Regular inits are under 10k lines of code inclusive.Some are 100 lines of code.Hmm which is easier to find exploits in.SystemD.Notice how the fknuts always try to change the tables."It's YOU who are the shill!"And always it is the same argumen
On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:32 +0100, Slavko wrote:
> I personaly don't like the democratic system, where anybody
> participate on the decisions
Neither Debian, nor the distro we should not mention are democratic, but
for both distros everybody is allowed to make decisions, when becoming a
member of
On Sb, 01 mar 14, 20:03:54, ghaverla wrote:
>
> But the fact there are no options is what bothers me.
There are options. Even if Canonical will be pulling the plug on udev
there is still OpenRC. The maintainer could use more help though.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 02 Mar 2014 01:44:00 +0100 Ralf Mardorf
napísal:
> On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> > Here's mine:-
> > troll elsewhere - try rabbleRus.org or LetMeTellUWhat2Do.mob
>
> :D
>
> We Arch users made a poll. Even if more users would have been against
Ralph,
On 02/03/14 16:53, y...@marupa.net wrote:
> On Sunday, March 02, 2014 04:25:13 PM Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 02/03/14 11:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
Here's mine:-
troll elsewhere - try rabbleRus.org or LetMeTellUWhat2Do.mob
>>
On Sunday, March 02, 2014 07:21:28 PM Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 11:53:28PM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> > > And then there's NSA (and the companies they outsource to) - they *do*
> > > have an agenda that wou
On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 11:53:28PM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
> > And then there's NSA (and the companies they outsource to) - they *do*
> > have an agenda that would be furthered by creating divisions and
> > uncertainty in Debia
On Sunday, March 02, 2014 04:25:13 PM Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 02/03/14 11:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> >> Here's mine:-
> >> troll elsewhere - try rabbleRus.org or LetMeTellUWhat2Do.mob
> >>
> > :D
> >
> > We Arch users made a poll. Eve
On 02/03/14 12:26, ghaverla wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 01:28:38 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> We Arch users made a poll. Even if more users would have been against
>> systemd, the developers would have switched to systemd, but most users
>> wanted systemd. We, around 49% and me were against
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 03:11:24 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 18:26 -0700, ghaverla wrote:
> > But to read that a split of 49:51 means there can't be options is
> > disheartening.
>
> I was inaccurate, I guess there were much more than 51% pro
> sytsmed ;). But indeed, systemd
On 02/03/14 11:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> Here's mine:-
>> troll elsewhere - try rabbleRus.org or LetMeTellUWhat2Do.mob
>
> :D
>
> We Arch users made a poll. Even if more users would have been against
> systemd, the developers would have
On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 18:26 -0700, ghaverla wrote:
> But to read that a split of 49:51 means there can't be options is
> disheartening.
I was inaccurate, I guess there were much more than 51% pro sytsmed ;).
But indeed, systemd caused the longest flame wars on several mailing
lists I ever read + I
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 01:28:38 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> We Arch users made a poll. Even if more users would have been against
> systemd, the developers would have switched to systemd, but most users
> wanted systemd. We, around 49% and me were against systemd, but around
> 51 % were pro systemd.
On Sunday, March 02, 2014 01:34:20 AM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> > Here's mine:-
> > troll elsewhere - try rabbleRus.org or LetMeTellUWhat2Do.mob
> :
> :D
>
> We Arch users made a poll. Even if more users would have been against
> systemd, the
On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> Here's mine:-
> troll elsewhere - try rabbleRus.org or LetMeTellUWhat2Do.mob
:D
We Arch users made a poll. Even if more users would have been against
systemd, the developers would have switched to systemd, but most users
wanted systemd. W
On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> Here's mine:-
> troll elsewhere - try rabbleRus.org or LetMeTellUWhat2Do.mob
:D
We Arch users made a poll. Even if more users would have been against
systemd, the developers would have switched to systemd, but most users
wanted systemd. W
On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> Here's mine:-
> troll elsewhere - try rabbleRus.org or LetMeTellUWhat2Do.mob
:D
We Arch users made a poll. Even if more users would have been against
systemd, the developers would have switched to systemd, but most users
wanted systemd. W
On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> Here's mine:-
> troll elsewhere - try rabbleRus.org or LetMeTellUWhat2Do.mob
:D
We Arch users made a poll. Even if more users would have been against
systemd, the developers would have switched to systemd, but most users
wanted systemd. W
On 02/03/14 08:09, disbandtechc...@tfwno.gf wrote:
> FOUR people made a decision that would once have required
> thousands of votes. FOUR votes overrideds the decision
> debian took before the tech-ctte dictatorship to standardize
> on system V init rather than bsd style init scripts
>
> The tech-
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